»where is the architect«

DeAdLy_cOoKiE ™ wrote:

If he decides to go to the real world within the matrix, he'd simply walk out the door leading to the Source

You have to remember that the real world and the matrix are two different worlds. This is where my argument stems from.

Hence the real world within the matrix. Not the real world when they are awake.

What the hell?

Cookie, please express your thoughts clearly... Thank you...

I think he means the "real world" within the matrix, aka the matrix world, and the real world when they are awake, meaning the world outside of the matrix, once unplugged.

I think that's what cookie meant.

I can assume she/he means something, but how can I be sure it is what she/he meant?

She/he avoids intelligent discussion by posting trivial posts...

perhaps cookie is an agent...

arch built the matrix several times, this is the key.

the deus is not the arch

most of the machines (deus) are A.I.

the real question is how do we define the arch. he is beyond a program for her is the arch. is he a machine? the definition can be construed in several ways. the arch can be "outside" the matrix, it is only logical. dwell within the matrix, certainly. if humans can be "plugged in" to the matrix and re plugged, why not the thing that made the matrix?

btw/ i love the handle deadly cookie

I was watching M1 the other night. When Neo is being interrogated by the Agents at the start of the film in their office, the camera pulls back and we see the scene on multiple security monitors. These seem to be the same monitors as those used later in the Architect's chamber.

Now is this:

1) A coincidence?

2) An indication that from the start, the film-makers were planning for M2?

3) Just a bit that the film-makers used in M1 and decided to build upon later when they got the go-ahead to make M2?

4) An added item of paranoia?

Here's another point: assuming that the monitors in the Agents' office are just security cameras. Why would anyone need that many cameras in one room?

I agree with you gnostic, becasue i recall seeing that monitor scene when Neo is being interrogated by Smith in M1 and think that it may be a coincidence that they are the architect's monitors watching Neo; but it is to my understanding that the brothers (frgt how to spell their name ) did not plan on making reloaded and revolutions; but based on the success of M1 they decided to continue the story.

Also at the end of M3 when the architect and oracle are talking, when he says that there will be peace bla bla bla. the oracle says "Will you keep your promise?" andthearchitect responds with" what do you think I am, human?" Therefore proving the architect is not human but instead a program.

Can nebody else please elaborate on this? correct me if im wrong thx

Gnostic wrote:

I was watching M1 the other night. When Neo is being interrogated by the Agents at the start of the film in their office, the camera pulls back and we see the scene on multiple security monitors. These seem to be the same monitors as those used later in the Architect's chamber. Now is this: 1) A coincidence? 2) An indication that from the start, the film-makers were planning for M2? 3) Just a bit that the film-makers used in M1 and decided to build upon later when they got the go-ahead to make M2? 4) An added item of paranoia? Here's another point: assuming that the monitors in the Agents' office are just security cameras. Why would anyone need that many cameras in one room?

First off, I don't think there were a bunch of cameras in the room....just one camera, and a bunch of screens in the Architect's room. I mean you can even see that the visual we are getting is coming from the same exact spot which means it's only one camera.

Secondly, all the Wachowski's did was expand upon something that came about in the first movie. It's pretty easy if you think about it. All they had to do was think back to a point in the first movie and use that as building blocks to something else. Don't look too deep in to this - it is what it is, in this case.

lady_in_red wrote:

I agree with you gnostic, becasue i recall seeing that monitor scene when Neo is being interrogated by Smith in M1 and think that it may be a coincidence that they are the architect's monitors watching Neo; but it is to my understanding that the brothers (frgt how to spell their name ) did not plan on making reloaded and revolutions; but based on the success of M1 they decided to continue the story. Also at the end of M3 when the architect and oracle are talking, when he says that there will be peace bla bla bla. the oracle says "Will you keep your promise?" andthearchitect responds with" what do you think I am, human?" Therefore proving the architect is not human but instead a program. Can nebody else please elaborate on this? correct me if im wrong thx

I think you guys are missing the point. No one is arguing that the Architect is human, because he is not, he is a program. The only thing being discussed is where the Architect is. Is he some where within the matrix, or could he possibly jack out of the matrix? That's what is being argued.

Human or not... Does it matter?
I can argue that Smith is more human than anyone in Zion, except, maybe Cypher...

wow
this thread has grown
thanx by the way
u kinda helped me but, as the matrix is, ther will always be questions.
peace out
crypted

Ok, the Architect (in Reloaded) is located in a permanant manifestation created by the Source (similar to Mobil Avenue, created by the program, The Trainman) which serves as an intersection - or passageway - between the Matrix and the Source (this is proven by the presence of the two doors, which the Architect tells Neo, "The door to your right will take you to The Source ... to complete your destiny. The door to your left will take you back to the Matrix and to her"). The Architect meets Neo there because he cannot meet him in the Source.

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So now that we have established where the Architect is, lets examine where he came from. The Architect, along with several other programs (including the Oracle and the Merovingian) were originally by the machines to regulate certain aspects of the '01' (or the Machine World). However when the need for some form of mental housing for the human minds that the machines were leeching power from, The Architect created the idea of the Matrix, and so was christened its creator. However there were two unsuccessful attempts at creating the Matrix (One was an attempt at creating a perfect human world, however the humans plugged in always kept trying to wake up from this paradise because they saw it as a paradise. The second attempt was the other side of the coin; there were no rules enforced at all, allowing humans to fulfil their natural urges. But this also failed for reasons which I won't go into now because it is irrelevant).

At this point the program known as the Oracle stepped in and gave the Architect a solution: give the humans a choice. Even if it was only on a subconscious level, as long as they were willing to enter into the system they would accept anything they found there. So the Architect andthe Oracle worked together to create the equations needed for the system. They eventually came up with a solution whereby 99% of the humans accepted the programming, while the other percentile rejected it and became the first exiles and first built Zion.

The Architect and the Oracle were then assigned by the Source to control the Matrix, the Architect balancing the equation and the Oracle unbalancing it. This process produced a minute remainder in the equation, which, over time, built up until it became large enough for it to become manifested in the Matrix as the supposed salvation of the human race, i.e. Neo (and the other 'One's before).

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Because The Architect is a program, not a god, just a program entrusted with God-like powers, he can move like any other program in the Matrix and of course the Architect can move to and from the Source. But don't be fooled, he cannot enter the Source, only interact with it, for if he entered the Source he would be re-assimilated and broken into his source code.

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I hope that answers some of many and varied questions, if not, I hope it created some more