»where is the architect«

ok,
here i go
my question is, where is he?
neo goes to see him while beeing jacked in, so he must be somewhere either in the matrix, or in another somputer system. basicly, hes anywhere but in reality.
he cant be a humain jacked in because he would be vulnarable to anything.
i beleive he is just a program to represent the "bad guy".
pleas give me your ideas.
peace out
crypted

he is not the bad guy
he is not the good guy
he is beyond good and evil
he is the one that created Neo
he is the one that lets Zion to exist
his only real enemy is smith, not neo..

In my opinion, he is in the matrix, but in one of those places, like trainstation, where not everybody can get in or get out...

yeah, hes just a program. i dont know think he is a program that represents the "bad guy". he is the program that created the matrix.
just like the oracle, she isnt a human jacked in, just a program. they are opposites in that he balances the equation and she unbalances it.
the agents and exiles arent humans jacked in, just programs. they appear to be human.

as far as his location:

the keymaker wrote:

there's a building. inside this building there's a level where no elevator can go, and no stair can reach. this level is filled with doors. these doors lead to many places, hidden places, but one door is special. one door leads to the source.

he is in that building on that level. but he can leave if he choses, as he did at the end of revolutions.

crypted wrote:

my question is, where is he?

c:\my documents\the matrix\architect

allone wrote:

as far as his location: the keymaker wrote: there's a building. inside this building there's a level where no elevator can go, and no stair can reach. this level is filled with doors. these doors lead to many places, hidden places, but one door is special. one door leads to the source. he is in that building on that level. but he can leave if he choses, as he did at the end of revolutions.

You contradict yourself and the movie. The building had the door that leads to him, but he didn't live in the building. I think it was one of those deals like mirovingian did to neo, when he ended up in the mountains, simply by opening the door...

Exactly, the doors lead to anywhere, within the matrix, this includes the far reaches of the universe. I believe this is shown when Neo walks through the door - it looks like it zooms out from earth to what seems the end of the universe. It leads to a room which is like a timeless subspace.

and the way to get to the room is in the level of the building that cant be reached by ordinary means.

i only said that is where he is (was). if that room that was shown in reloaded is the room that he sits in to monitor everything (which is what i thought) then that is where he is and that is how you get there. not that he is "IN" that building, but you have to go IN the building to get there.

so let me clear up what i was trying to say:

he is in a room, this room can be anywhere. but the way to get there is in that building. so in a sense he is "in" that building. not that he is physically "IN" it, just that is the only way to get to him.

i know that room doesnt necessarily have to be inside that building, the doors can lead anywhere in the universe. i guess i was just assuming that everyone else knew that. sorry.

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[quote="allone"]yeah, hes just a program. i dont know think he is a program that represents the "bad guy". he is the program that created the matrix.

ok, i agree, but programs dont creat themselves. meaning, he can not be the ultimate creator.

he had to have been "created" by the matrix wich he created.
that is were i might be wrong.
i dont understand, was he created before the matrix, and then he created the matrix, but how could HE create the matrix, why would the machined give al power to him. OR is he just a representation of the machines will.

if so, why would h help the humains. (even though he dosent make life pretty for them he still lets zion keep getting rebuilt)

please help clear this up, or give your views.
peace out
crypted

soo?

The Architect is chillin' with Agent Johnson in Cancun.

thats what i thought!
lol
anywho
does anyone kno?

the machines as they are called is only half correct. remember they are A.I.. the arch is one of the hierarchy of the machine faction. he is simply the bill gates of the matrix, except he actualy designed it and is intamately involved with its maintenance. the arch has the ability to be both in and outside the matrix. the deus which speaks to neo at the end of 3, is the the actual ruler of the machines (the arch's boss). smith was not anticipated by the machine world and had to make the concession they were indeed not perfect either, about to sucumb to the creation of both machine and humans. this is waht smith represented to me, the conception of both man and machine would be both their undoing and only via co-operation would they both benefit continued existance. peace

Seriously, I think the Architect is in his room (the one shown in Reloaded.) He has no reason to leave from there unless to attend to something serious, like speaking to the Oracle (like in Revolutions.)

And I don't think that he can leave the matrix because he is a program, and anything he would want to take care of outside of the matrix Deus Ex Machina can do itself.

Well, we can think of the architect as a being located in a room...
But it is also possible that the only reason for the room to exist, is so he can meet Neo there... Neo is part human - he needs a real place to meet him...
We can also let go of the boundaries of this world and realise that Architect can be anywhere and everywhere...
Inside Matrix/Outside matrix...

omega wrote:

Well, we can think of the architect as a being located in a room... But it is also possible that the only reason for the room to exist, is so he can meet Neo there... Neo is part human - he needs a real place to meet him... We can also let go of the boundaries of this world and realise that Architect can be anywhere and everywhere... Inside Matrix/Outside matrix...

How could he physically exist outside of the matrix? If anyone has any ideas let me know.

I agree with you about everything except the Architect's ability to leave the matrix. I don't think he can, because he is a program and does not have a "hard" body outside of the matrix. However, I do think that you made a real good point in saying that he was only in his room to wait for The One.

Matrix is his own creation...
Obviously, he can develop other systems which can be not connected to the matrix... Just think of it as a paralell computer network and a router switch...

We can even go further and say that theoretically Zionists can develop their own computer system which will be also connected to the matrix...

I understand that. I just have a hard time believing that the Architect would do that. It wouldn't serve him a great purpose. Remember Deux Ex Machina is his equivalent (although more powerful) in the real world.

DId you notice that in the final conversation of the trilogy... When Architect talks to Oracle there is no machina Deux...
To me it means Programs are in charge, not machines...

That's true, but that conversation takes place inside of the matrix. That's my point.

I don't think the Architect could go in to the real world.

Unless he can figure out how to copy himself like smith...
And invade someone's body...

Exactly!

Is there any reason that he should do that? And could he actually do that? That's what I've been saying.

No and no.

If he decides to go to the real world within the matrix, he'd simply walk out the door leading to the Source (which is what he did in the end when he manifested himself to the Oracle. And remember, the conversation took place between the Oracle and him only - and maybe it's just that, a manifestation for the Oracle, not physically, a vision rather).

It is my impression that the Source could be anyone or anything, in this time the Architect's source = The Oracle.
For Neo it was Deus Ex Machina.

A thinker.

The key to understanding the movies is to look at it symbolically, not literally. The source is a word, just like Love is for instance.

Neo is the connection between The oracle and The Architect.
Remember, Neo was chosen as the one by morpheus and the crew on the Nebuchadnezzar, by a prophecy which origated from The Oracle. The Oracle triggered Morpheus to find the Source if you will. The source is Neo, simply because he chose Neo as an alias in cyberspace (the machine world if you will). It is my impression that the real world is actually the world in cyberspace/internet, symbolized as the world when they are Awake. Hence he has returned to a 'symbolic' source in the form of Deus Ex.

See it for what it is.

How about the source referring to the raw programming code?
It is called: the source...
Architect says something like that: the other door leads to source... ... to allow for the dissemenation of the code... That is a clear reference to computer programming...
Neo is at least part program by the way...

And we are talking about the world outside of the matrix... if it exists...
Of course Source is just a word... But it is a word with meaning...
It refers to what Ancient Greeks called "chaos" - the source of all the things in the universe...

That it exactly what the movie is trying to do. The source implies just that, the entire movies is in context with programming, and internet, and references to those (subconsious) meanings.

Don't you get it, we are all programs, and we all cary codes.
Imagine that the internet is The Source, and we are insemenating our codes as we are discussion on this forum.

The point of the movies is to for the viewers to try to explain what the matrix is.

For example, you could interpretate 'what is the matrix?' as 'what is god?'

The movie in a sense suggests that the Architect is God, portrayed as a program (human), but when Neo meets The architect, he realises that he ISN'T the Source (God), but, as the Oracle explained to Neo that the Door of light LEADS to the source, he achieves an awareness by physically meeting the Architect, which is to return to the Source, which at first is Trinity (trinity FOUND Neo, she has intercource with him, and they are in LOVE) - which he has to Save (his purpose), then to go to the Main Source, which is internet (Deus Ex). He achieved the Awareness as to what GOD is, what the Matrix is, and how and why things have happened as they did while walking the Path of The One. He died for the sake of Humanity (his purpose), by desiminating the code he carried (The Code is a symbol as well, which could be interpretated as the entire movies as a whole maybe, his path, his purpose, to awaken us viewers).

If Zion is real then Architect cannot be God.
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He saved Trinity, only for her to die a little after.
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He didn't die for Humanity. He died to stop the war between Zionists and Machines... Matrix kept on existing...