»Matriculated ... some deeper meaning?«

Bouncing around the site I am reading some topics about how Matriculated had some deeper meaning, yet I after watching it several times am still not able to grasp the entire point of Matriculated. What is this deeper meaning?

I just thought it was a take on the symbiotic relationship between the humans and machines by way of the matrix via a role reversal, putting the machines in the humans' place.

Well what I got out of it (the little I did) was that the humans were attempting to show the machines that in reality the two are not so different, through the symbolism of the machine taking on a humanoid form in their matrix system and its "love" connection to the woman.

Matriculated is all about control through the use of simulations. Ie the machines use the matrix to control the human race, and the free humans in Matriculated are using a simulation to convert the machines so that they can control them.

But why? What would that accomplish, especially when, as seen in Matriculated they could just reprogram them .... That takes us back to the very debate from Matriculated, but why would we need to use a "matrix" of our own creation to convert the machines....

Siterath wrote:

as seen in Matriculated they could just reprogram them ....

It is not about reprogramming, it is about control. Yes it would be easy to reprogram them to do our will, but at the end of the day they can be easly reprogramed back.

But throught the use of a simulation, they can then convert the machines, thus insuring there "hold", there "control" over the machines.

Matriculated explains a lot of things :

it happens in the past, that's obvious, probably even before the first Matrix. The machine at the end felt love for the woman, so maybe it's the story of the program who discovered the solution of choice (since the scientist explained that choice was important to reprogram AI's).

Note that choice plays a part in programming the mind of the machine and not in imposing the virtual reality to them. The Architect applied the choice solution for humans too. If you apply the same logic to men, then it means that the Matrix is about programming humans and not taking their energy.

The fact that animals can be connected proves that the machines could have used animals instead of men, wich somehow gives us a hint on what the Matrix is really about.

For me, matriculated answers to most of the question about the Matrix, you just have to take your time to check the facts.

Ahh yes, control is understandable. The machines will feel threatened by their creators and humanity will feel threatened by the machines who seek to kill them.

Mobil_Ave_Neo and me have had a very interesting conversation about Matriculated and talking with him made the following facts more obvious :

- there is an animal with a plug. Normally, such an animal should not have survived so long in the real world. The animal has no holes in his body.
- the humans have plugs, but no holes under their neck
- they have sophisticated clothes, while in Zion they have old and simplistic clothes.
- the talk between the woman and the scientist about what reality was, just implied that they never experienced a matrix world.

All these facts tells us that this is happening before the Matrix and that humans probably invented the plug technology (for fun or efficiency) but that the machines developed it for the Matrix. At least that's how I see it ...

Apocryphe wrote:

Mobil_Ave_Neo and me have had a very interesting conversation about Matriculated and talking with him made the following facts more obvious : - there is an animal with a plug. Normally, such an animal should not have survived so long in the real world. The animal has no holes in his body. - the humans have plugs, but no holes under their neck - they have sophisticated clothes, while in Zion they have old and simplistic clothes. - the talk between the woman and the scientist about what reality was, just implied that they never experienced a matrix world, So that tells me that she has been released from teh matrix. All these facts tells us that this is happening before the Matrix and that humans probably invented the plug technology (for fun or efficiency) but that the machines developed it for the Matrix. At least that's how I see it ...

You make a good point there Apocryphe, because as we see in the second renasonce, the first people to be plugged into the matrix were done so through wires, not the plugs. But if that is so how would the human create and implant the plugs into themselves for the use of neural simulations.

Also were hear the lady talk to the scientist about the difference between a dream and reality, which tells me that she was released from the matrix.

While its highly possible that its before the Matrix movies, it doesn't point to how far... Its very possible that its only several weeks, and they were freeded when the matrix was still a downgraded version of itself ...

Its also, on the same level, highly possible that it takes place in the future from the Matrix movies in an era where the machines were forced to revert to earlier stages to maintain control (which would also explain why the humans press a point of showing the difference between control and choice) of the crop in some earlier form, and then at the same time, wage another war with Zion.

Neo1,

your quoting me is different from what I wrote, I said "just implied that they never experienced a matrix world".

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Also were hear the lady talk to the scientist about the difference between a dream and reality, which tells me that she was released from the matrix.

If they had been in the Matrix, they would have not talked about that, it was obvious. It's just as if Morpheus suddenly started talking with Trinity about questionning reality, while they escaped the Matrix 20 years ago. See what I mean ? They talked about it as if it was the first time they were questionning reality.

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While its highly possible that its before the Matrix movies, it doesn't point to how far

Very far since they had no holes in their body, and the sentinels seem to be less sophisticated.

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highly possible that it takes place in the future from the Matrix

Zionnist don't master the plug technology and almost all the animals are dead in the present matrix.

In Matriculated, I do not think they mention Zion. So is this another resistance group? Or a pre-/post-Matrix movies future?

I kinda liked Matriculated since it was done by the same team as Aeon Flux and has the same type of characters: technocrats who use science to solve problems -- though it backfires in the end, here.

At least in Matriculated the characters try to overcome the machines by using their minds instead of engaging in pointless fights and car chases, or self-sacrifice. Very Ayn Randian.

I find this site quite revealing:

thematrix101.com...

I was not qouting you personally or nit picking at your statement, I made a gramical error, i should of entered after i said "you make a good point". I used you as a qoute to make the bases for my statement. Thats all.

Another very interesting thread, this time about Matriculated.
I like Apocryphe's interpretation, he seems to be right.

th3 p4th wrote:

Another very interesting thread, this about Matriculated. I like Apocryphe's interpretation, he seems to be right.

Oops, I was wrong.

it's just the code you're seeing there, not necessarily the matrix as we know it today.

i always thought it was to show that even though they were tricked, machines can feel sympathy for the humans...

erh... excuse-me ?

the machines have sympathy for the humans, don't you agree?

Many fail to see that there is a difference between a machine
and a program. The sentinal are machine. But the ones in the matrix are programs and they have fundamental differences.
The programs are like us they have emotion and feel that is the idea put forward. Smith feels the emotions of hate... While others like the oracle have believe and the people in the trainstation felt the emotion of love.

The whole idea behind the matrix is what would happen to programs if they were endowed with the spirit of man, would they then be entiled to the same rights as humans.. Thus the matrix case in which bigger was not given the rights as human.

and could u please tell me what makes that machine tick? i believe it's a program

matriculate is all about brainwashing the enemy.
Whether the machines making the humans believe that they are in a real world or the Humans getting the Machines to serve them.

You can Convert some one from Christianity to Buddhism

Or Brainwash some one to believe your point of view

In war each side is the right way and the enemy is wrong.

Definition
matriculate be enrolled at a college or university : he matriculated at the University of Vermont.

admit (a student) to a college or university.

ORIGIN late 16th cent.: from medieval Latin matriculat- ‘enrolled,’ from the verb matriculare, from late Latin matricula ‘register,’ diminutive of Latin matrix.

We are brainwashed in schools.
We are told that the history they are telling us is correct.