»No substitute without victory«

From the first film it was clear that the goal was victory over the machines. To basically have a stalemate while machines live on the surface and humans are holed up underground is not a victory or a suitable peace.

And there is no resolution to the sky problem.

Lastly, we don't even know who started the war so the machines might start it again if they originally started it.

The films were a disappoint only in that regard.

"From the first film it was clear that the goal was victory over the machines."

Yep! They don't acheive that goal in the end.

"To basically have a stalemate while machines live on the surface and humans are holed up underground is not a victory or a suitable peace."

The humans didn't want to be anywhere other than holed up underground. Zion is the only place on Earth where it is still warm. Why should the humans want to live on the surface where it is cold and barren?

"And there is no resolution to the sky problem."

There may never be. The humans scorched the sky. What are you gonna do?

"Lastly, we don't even know who started the war so the machines might start it again if they originally started it."

We DO know who started the war if we have seen the animatrix. Even so, how is 'who started it?' an important question?

There's a deeper dramatic point at stake. The original danger of the Matrix was psychological, in that it sucked in people like Cypher who could not stand living in the real world. i.e., he was one of the 99% who chose the Matrix as per the Architect's speech. i.e., it is symbolic how people choose jobs and religions and politics that suck out their lives.

But the sentinel attack is a physical danger, i.e., the machenes are gonna kill you. Then it becomes a matter of who has the bigger guns or EMP.

If M2 and M3 followed on M1's theme, the danger to Zion would have been more people defecting, choosing the pleasant illusion of the Matrix to the gritty life of Zion. But that would have meant no great big romp-em stomp-em mech battle.

Gnostic wrote:

If M2 and M3 followed on M1's theme, the danger to Zion would have been more people defecting, choosing the pleasant illusion of the Matrix to the gritty life of Zion. But that would have meant no great big romp-em stomp-em mech battle.

It also wouldn't have depicted God's wrath against human sin which was the whole point. Hence the sentinels forming the five fingers of a hand of God and turning the paradise of Zion into a fiery hell.

"The humans didn't want to be anywhere other than holed up underground. Zion is the only place on Earth where it is still warm. Why should the humans want to live on the surface where it is cold and barren?

And there is no resolution to the sky problem."


If we knew how to damage the sky, maybe there was a solution on how to reverse the effects. First of all, the very idea that we could somehow damage the sky in this manner is silly. What theory of physics or otherwise are being used to rely upon?

A better ending would have been that the earth's surface would be made habitable by either the efforts of both the machines and Zion and or just Zion, and the earth would be shared while the Matrix would be slowly eliminated as was the goal of the first film.

Paladin wrote:

the very idea that we could somehow damage the sky in this manner is silly. What theory of physics or otherwise are being used to rely upon?

The same laws which allow us to make artificial intelligence capable of independant thought and a simulation capable of accurately imitating normal life. It's sci-fi! Laws of physics don't apply here. The matrix is primarily an allegorical work.

I also think an ending where the machines unscorch the sky would be a cop-out ending. If the matrix went completely from being a dark work to an airy fairy hollywood ending we would have even more serious reason to feel cheated than we do now.

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