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intersting find....

Yeah, that's hot.

First, I must say I'm not good at english...

One of my Matrix community member find this.

That guy who find this says, it's from Navras Single's Cover

I'm not sure that this is whole lyrics but...

These are Actually from the Links that this fOrum gave me;

The Matrix Revolutions

Navras - a Hindi word which, broken down, means nine ("nava") emotional states ("rasa") that are exhibited during music, drama, and the visual arts, the experience of which bring about a state of transcendental bliss. The nine different states are as follows:
1. Love
2. Humor
3. Pathos
4. Wrath
5. Heroism
6. Horror
7. Disgust
8. Supernaturalism
9. Peace
The lyrics from the song "Navras" are taken from the Upanisads, a set of documents written in sanskrit used in the Hindu religion.

"Neodämmerung" text (from the Upanisads)
Brhadaranyaka Upanisad 1.3.28
asato ma sad gamaya
tamaso ma jyotir gamaya
mrtyor mamrtam gamaya

From delusion lead me to truth
From darkness lead me to light
From death lead me to immortality.

Isa Upanisad 11
vidyam cavidyam ca yas
tad vedobhayam saha
avidyaya mrtyum tirtva
vidyayamrtam asnute

He who knows both knowledge and action, with action overcomes death and with knowledge reaches immortality.

Mundaka Upanisad 2.2.5
yasmin dyauh prthivi cantariksam otam manah saha pranais ca sarvaih tam evaikam janatha atmanam anya vacah vimuncatha amrtasya esah setuh

In him are woven the sky and the earth and all the regions of the air, and in him rest the mind and all the powers of life. Know him as the ONE and leave aside all other words. He is the bridge of immortality.

Katha Upanisad 6.7
indriyebhyah param mano
manasah sattvam uttamam
sattvad adhi mahan atma
mahato vyaktam uttamam

Beyond the senses is the mind, and beyond the mind is reason, its essence. Beyond reason is the Spirit in man, and beyond this is the Spirit of the Universe, the evolver of all.

Katha Upanisad 6.10
yada pancavatisthante
jnanani manasa saha
buddhis ca na vicestate
tam ahuh paramam gatim

When the five senses and the mind are still, and reason itself rests in silence, then begins the Path supreme.

Ya ya ya ya yada yadaya
Ya ya ya ya yada yada yada yada
Yada yada yada yada yada
Mundaka Upanisad 2.2.8
bhidyate hrdayagranthis
chidyante sarvasamsayah
ksiyante casya karmani
tasmin drste paravare

And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence, then the ties that have bound the heart are unloosened, the doubts of the mind vanish, and the law of Karma works no more.

Somebody please tell me what what the lyrics philisophically mean!

The meaning of the Matrix trilogy as a philosophy is becoming free in one's life - free, not in the sense of escape from reality or by acquiring things, but in one's consciousness. At the end of Revolutions nothing has really changed - all three worlds remain, the inhabitants of Zion will still have many issues to deal with, etc. What is different, however, is that all three worlds are working in harmony - consciousness has changed. This is shown powerfully by the use of color - the matrix is green, Zion is blue and the machine world is yellow. In the final scenes all 3 colors are shown together for the first time. The struggle we face in our lives is how to balance our desire to engage in life by wanting and doing things, with at the same time dealing with the fact that there are so many obstacles to having what we want. One of the big problems in life is the balancing of these two factors.

When we are in balance, we can act 'as one', with power and freedom, as Morpheus says in The Matrix: "mankind was united as we gave birth to ... consciousness". We get to see that in Revolutions with the appearance of Sati, the 'daughter' of logic and creativity. She is all-powerful as she can even create a sunrise for Neo. We can see her integration by the colour of her dress in the final scene, which is yellow, green and blue.

The important realisation is that we are keeping our own selves from being awake to a higher state, by placing limitations on ourselves, through the ego. The Matrix trilogy shows the trials faced as one tries to detangle oneself from the ego, and the different blocks and struggles one faces on the way. In the end it shows how the only way that we can finally become free of the limiting hold of the ego is by sacrifice - neo had to continue his struggle all the way, while knowing that he couldn't win. That is the meaning of true freedom - when one can act "because I choose to", and not for any result.

Keep all this in mind when reading the lyrics to Navras

Rokk27 wrote:

Somebody please tell me what what the lyrics philisophically mean!

What do you think it means?

horsesmouth wrote:

The meaning of the Matrix trilogy as a philosophy is becoming free in one's life - free, not in the sense of escape from reality or by acquiring things, but in one's consciousness. At the end of Revolutions nothing has really changed - all three worlds remain, the inhabitants of Zion will still have many issues to deal with, etc. What is different, however, is that all three worlds are working in harmony - consciousness has changed. This is shown powerfully by the use of color - the matrix is green, Zion is blue and the machine world is yellow. In the final scenes all 3 colors are shown together for the first time. The struggle we face in our lives is how to balance our desire to engage in life by wanting and doing things, with at the same time dealing with the fact that there are so many obstacles to having what we want. One of the big problems in life is the balancing of these two factors.

matrix-explained.com...

Very good post, Th3 P4th.

After listening to this song many, many times it hink it is, well firse of all very cool, but at the same time i think it is somehow telling you what it is to have conciousness, or how to acheive conciousness

Rokk27 wrote:

After listening to this song many, many times it hink it is, well firse of all very cool, but at the same time i think it is somehow telling you what it is to have conciousness, or how to acheive conciousness

Isn't it interesting, all you 7/7 haters, that more and more posters are coming to these kind of conclusions about the matrix?

intell wrote:

Isn't it interesting, all you 7/7 haters, that more and more posters are coming to these kind of conclusions about the matrix?

That's the problem with 7/7 though. Those of us who have fought it feel that we were already engaging the films from these vantage points and that 7/7, while covering these points, did so in an unorthodox way (both in terms of the films and the traditions) and then sought exclusivity.

It's a bit like Scientology versus Buddhism. There are many forms of Buddhism, and it has been around thousands of years. Many people have developed practices that help you reach dharmic goals and quite a few schools of thought exist. Then one man (a smart man, though some say nuts) is exposed to those elements. He comes up with a strange vocabulary all his own for them and repackages them, claiming exclusive understanding of them. While his system does have some very workable application, in relation to the greater tradition he missed the boat on a few points and mispackaged some other ones. Then for him to say that his is the real true workable version and the real truth, well...

Gina would be Hubbard in this example, which I definitely wouldn't consider an insult.

Gina Rink might say that the exclusivity comes in, not that what "those" of you were saying was incorrect. It is that along the way some of you who know alot, thought you knew or said it all and stopped at that point. 7/7 shows that there is a whole lot more to it.

Other than that, I have no idea how the 'seeking exclusivity' fits what 7/7 is about.

As an instance, it is not enough to say that x in the movie means 1, and y is 2, without ever saying why x and y are used in place of 1 and 2 and why make such a film in the first place.

What does 7/7 mean?

It is a thread.

intell wrote:

Gina Rink might say that the exclusivity comes in, not that what "those" of you were saying was incorrect. It is that along the way some of you who know alot, thought you knew or said it all and stopped at that point. 7/7 shows that there is a whole lot more to it. Other than that, I have no idea how the 'seeking exclusivity' fits what 7/7 is about. As an instance, it is not enough to say that x in the movie means 1, and y is 2, without ever saying why x and y are used in place of 1 and 2 and why make such a film in the first place.

Gina Rink wrote:

intell wrote: Gina Rink might say that the exclusivity comes in, not that what "those" of you were saying was incorrect. It is that along the way some of you who know alot, thought you knew or said it all and stopped at that point. 7/7 shows that there is a whole lot more to it. Other than that, I have no idea how the 'seeking exclusivity' fits what 7/7 is about. As an instance, it is not enough to say that x in the movie means 1, and y is 2, without ever saying why x and y are used in place of 1 and 2 and why make such a film in the first place.

Example: Some of you have been saying that the matrix stands for maya for a long time. But when did anyone ever venture to speak about why someone would liken a concept like maya to a virtual interactive computer-generated simulation? And when did anyone get anyone else to consider why make a movie in which you use modern ideas and situations to represent age-old concepts?

Jesus is written to have said, "This is why I use illustrations because this people sees but see not. They listen but hear not, neither do they get the sense of it."

So you rephrase something that people didn't get to help them catch it. And the W's didn't just make a film, they made a trilogy, some anime, and a game. That's alot of work.

CaptPostMod wrote:

That's the problem with 7/7 though. Those of us who have fought it feel that we were already engaging the films from these vantage points and that 7/7, while covering these points, did so in an unorthodox way (both in terms of the films and the traditions) and then sought exclusivity.

Precisely. It's just taking what people already know, packaging it in deliberately cryptic language, and then trying to pass it off as something revolutionary and new. Then we get the bonus of Gina talking down her nose at us like we're these ignorant little insects who aren't worth talking to coz she's too good for us Gotta love it, man And this is the same person who likes to lecture others about their ego, dude! Frickin' classic...!

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It's a bit like Scientology versus Buddhism. There are many forms of Buddhism, and it has been around thousands of years. Many people have developed practices that help you reach dharmic goals and quite a few schools of thought exist. Then one man (a smart man, though some say nuts) is exposed to those elements. He comes up with a strange vocabulary all his own for them and repackages them, claiming exclusive understanding of them. While his system does have some very workable application, in relation to the greater tradition he missed the boat on a few points and mispackaged some other ones. Then for him to say that his is the real true workable version and the real truth, well... Gina would be Hubbard in this example, which I definitely wouldn't consider an insult.

That's basically the parallel, although I don't share every aspect of your fetish for Scientology.

intell wrote:

Gina Rink wrote: intell wrote: Gina Rink might say that the exclusivity comes in, not that what "those" of you were saying was incorrect. It is that along the way some of you who know alot, thought you knew or said it all and stopped at that point. 7/7 shows that there is a whole lot more to it. Other than that, I have no idea how the 'seeking exclusivity' fits what 7/7 is about. As an instance, it is not enough to say that x in the movie means 1, and y is 2, without ever saying why x and y are used in place of 1 and 2 and why make such a film in the first place. Example: Some of you have been saying that the matrix stands for maya for a long time. But when did anyone ever venture to speak about why someone would liken a concept like maya to a virtual interactive computer-generated simulation? And when did anyone get anyone else to consider why make a movie in which you use modern ideas and situations to represent age-old concepts? Jesus is written to have said, "This is why I use illustrations because this people sees but see not. They listen but hear not, neither do they get the sense of it." So you rephrase something that people didn't get to help them catch it.

Apart from Intell, who else here makes a career from kissing Gina's arse?

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And the W's didn't just make a film, they made a trilogy, some anime, and a game. That's alot of work.

And a lot of revenue

max314 wrote:

Precisely. It's just taking what people already know, packaging it in deliberately cryptic language, and then trying to pass it off as something revolutionary and new. Then we get the bonus of Gina talking down her nose at us like we're these ignorant little insects who aren't worth talking to coz she's too good for us Gotta love it, man Very Happy And this is the same person who likes to lecture others about their ego, dude! Frickin' classic...!

Actually it's taking what you have no clue about and presenting it in a way to get you to think about how what you think you know relates to it. And I know YOU aren't talking about someone talking down their nose, Mr. Ken Wilber stole my line before I got a chance to say it first.

max314 wrote:

Apart from Intell, who else here makes a career from kissing Gina's arse?

First take your head out of yours before you can say things like these?

intell wrote:

Actually it's taking what you have no clue about and presenting it in a way to get you to think about how what you think you know relates to it. And I know YOU aren't talking about someone talking down their nose, Mr. Ken Wilber stole my line before I got a chance to say it first.

I was treating Wilber as an equal, not as an inferior. Silly rabbit

And there's nothing in that '7/7' nonsense that's new. I don't know how you got suckered into it, man. You've probably got an "I heart Gina" tattoo on your mouth to kiss her arse with, haven't you?

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First take your head out of yours before you can say things like these?

See, I'd reply, but then I'd just be worried you'd have your head too far up her arse to hear me.

Damn, these anal jokes are getting out of control...someone get those celebrity porn spammers in here!

Oh and, seriously, what are we gonna do about those bastards?

max314 wrote:

And there's nothing in that '7/7' nonsense that's new. I don't know how you got suckered into it, man. You've probably got an "I heart Gina" tattoo on your mouth to kiss her arse with, haven't you?

I was just about to say that with you for Tozy. Every time she posts, all you can say is, "good post, Tozy", "I agree, Tozy", and "excellent stuff". And you have no idea what she's saying at all. Or else you would see that she was saying the same things you just spent many words arguing against. The only difference is that she doesn't seem to be attacking your ego, so you think she is taking sides with you.

Just to test you, I borrowed her approach and you said, "excellent symbolism", to which I said "symbolism? LMAO!" because you didn't comprehend what I had just written at all. When are you going to stop pretending you know what you're talking about and read up to really have something TO talk about?

intell wrote:

I was just about to say that with you for Tozy. Every time she posts, all you can say is, "good post, Tozy", "I agree, Tozy", and "excellent stuff". And you have no idea what she's saying at all. Or else you would see that she was saying the same things you just spent many words arguing against. The only difference is that she doesn't seem to be attacking your ego, so you think she is taking sides with you.

Then you better re-read the posts, dude. She clearly makes a distinction between text and subtext that you don't realise.

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Just to test you, I borrowed her approach and you said, "excellent symbolism", to which I said "symbolism? LMAO!" because you didn't comprehend what I had just written at all. When are you going to stop pretending you know what you're talking about and read up to really have something TO talk about?

My dear Intell...it was Tozy who used the term "symbolic" in that exact post before either of us had replied to it. Silly rabbit...

max314 wrote:

intell wrote: Just to test you, I borrowed her approach and you said, "excellent symbolism", to which I said "symbolism? LMAO!" because you didn't comprehend what I had just written at all. When are you going to stop pretending you know what you're talking about and read up to really have something TO talk about? My dear Intell...it was Tozy who used the term "symbolic" in that exact post before either of us had replied to it. Silly rabbit...

Case in point. So now what?