»SOPHIA STEWART VICTORIOUS?«

IE, you're tripping all over yourself man. Just stop.

Your argument is both wordy and simple. Basically, you're saying this:

"We don't know what happened. Have an open mind, and stop sucking the Wachowskis' dicks."

At the same time, you're also saying:

"Don't you think Sophia Stewart deserves some money from this case? After beating the corporate thugs? You guys just love the W Brother's. PS: I'd take a bullet for Sophia. I want her children."

Anyway, you've gotten your point across, and I think we've all had enough of this "open your mind" crap that you've been typing. It's called making a judgement call. Rather than dancing around like pansies, we're going to look at what we can see and make a call. And so far, judging from the information out there, or lack thereof, I've made a call. The end, I don't care that I wasn't actually in the court room. That means jack. I don't need to be there to have an opinion.

First off, just because a case is in the courtroom doesn't mean that there's a ton of stuff we don't know about. The cases about being fat, or spilling coffee, were brought up to prove this point. I don't need to see, hear, or read the court documents on the McDonald's scalding coffee case to cry BS on the plaintiff's claim. Or laugh at the guy who said he got fat because of the Value Meal.

In addition, there's nothing that reeks of conspiracy or full-blown piracy in the case of Sophia Stewart. She has no significant internet or public support in this case for a reason -- and I can tell you it has nothing to do with "White America" this time.

It's always important to remember this country's history and attitudes. I know this. I'm not naive enough to forget the mindset this country comes from. I know Thanksgiving is "the day before we turned around and killed Squanto for worshipping the wrong god" and that the United States is actually a violent, terrible country with its own dealings in "terrorism" or mass slavery.

However, when placing the information available to us for Sophia Stewart's case, too many things simply don't add up. The issues with Terminator for one thing. And don't give me this absurd nonsense about lawyers being hard to get. If she had as much evidence about Terminator as she apparently does for the Matrix (a scant little bit), then someone would have jumped on at some point.

Secondly, Sophia Stewart's own story is hardly original itself. There was nothing significant about it. Galactic empires, and chosen one's are not special or individual stories in the slightest. And the events in her script are also not imitated in The Matrix to the letter, or even close. I don't recall the part where Neo is put into the draft. Nor do I recall the part where the Architect is feverishly trying to kill him.

Basically, Ms. Stewart has offered us four things over the internet, besides the racism rant:

1.) Her script says "The One." The Matrix has "The One."
2.) Her main character is born to liberate the world from an oppressive, mechanistic society. The Matrix is the same thing (only the current world states and outcomes are completely different... how ironic).
3.) There is a prophecy about this One. The Matrix has an overarching prophecy.
4.) The Enemy in 'Third Eye' knows about the prophecy, and has been waiting for this I-Kahn to arrive. In the Matrix, the machine's know about Neo and have been waiting for him.

Anyway, these issues are still extremely broad, and I can trace all of these terms back to religious texts at the same time. Hence why I could care less even if Sophia Stewarts work incited the slightest bit of inspiration. Because her own work is inspired, though again only slightly, by religious texts. Prophecy = Koran, Bible, Torah, etc. The One = Hell, even the final song in Revolutions is from the Upnishad (sigh... spelling check) and says something about "The One." We better contact those original writers then... they're entitled to some cash. Oh yes, and because both stories have a passing resemblance in occurrances (oh know! the enemy knew I-Kahn was coming? How original that is!), again the hard work of other people should be forked over.

You know, I realize this isn't a serious crisis. Warner Bros. won't die to fork over a few hundred thousand to a demanding person whose own work didn't make the cut in the public eye. But while some people are tired of the "Wachowski defenders," I'm sick of all the "Secret Lovers of Sophia Stewart."

I've seen all the threads that have come up over the months, and seeing this ridiculous "Victory" thread was the last straw. If anything, Warner Bros. should just settle out of court and give the woman and themselves some kind of break.

Writing a story on paper for a couple months that has only a passive resemblance and/or influence on a large film work does not = big payday.

IEMan99


well, of course i wrote just to you. when someone attacks me i have a right to defend myself and counter.

but enough. i gave you one more chance to answer my questions and you did just what i thought you would.

again you are saying that we just dont know...may i point out again, neither do you. and what exactly does the history of this country have to do with this case? because let me remind you too, you werent there either. (i didnt ask that for you to go off on a tangent about the history of this country, i did read that thread so i dont need a repeat..please!)

you dont give any reason to support her or to believe that she is right other than, we werent there and we just dont know.

like i said before, i cant take you seriously anymore until you start answering questions and counter (nicely) to legitimate statements.

nicely put, Doctor Shaft, thank you!
*shakes hand*

Well if the Wachowski's do lose this case for the money that is being predicted then I guess Larry Wachowski won't be able to get that sex change which is rumored he wants.

Doctor Shaft wrote:

IE, you're tripping all over yourself man. Just stop. Your argument is both wordy and simple. Basically, you're saying this: "We don't know what happened. Have an open mind, and stop sucking the Wachowskis' dicks." At the same time, you're also saying: "Don't you think Sophia Stewart deserves some money from this case? After beating the corporate thugs? You guys just love the W Brother's. PS: I'd take a bullet for Sophia. I want her children."

You're a funny guy, lol. IF she's entitled to it, ofcourse she deserves some money; determined by the courts . and as far as me wanting her children lol, nice touch. its not that serious. although i wouldnt mind hitting that from the back.

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Anyway, you've gotten your point across, and I think we've all had enough of this "open your mind" crap that you've been typing. It's called making a judgement call. Rather than dancing around like pansies, we're going to look at what we can see and make a call. And so far, judging from the information out there, or lack thereof, I've made a call. The end, I don't care that I wasn't actually in the court room. That means jack. I don't need to be there to have an opinion.

wow, now thats serious. you dont need all the facts to base an opinion; you're only going to look at what you see? thats like trusting the Fox news channel to really let you know whats going on in the world (fair and balanced my ass, but thats beside the point). So far, from this case you've only heard one side of the whole thing and thats sophia's. why is that i've never head the wachowskis say anything at ALL, let alone about the case?

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First off, just because a case is in the courtroom doesn't mean that there's a ton of stuff we don't know about. The cases about being fat, or spilling coffee, were brought up to prove this point. I don't need to see, hear, or read the court documents on the McDonald's scalding coffee case to cry BS on the plaintiff's claim. Or laugh at the guy who said he got fat because of the Value Meal.

those cases you mentioned are outrageous...yes it happens! and you are entitled to your biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion . you know what would really convince me this woman is a liar....WHERE ARE THE WACHOWSKIS? who are they? does ANYONE know? ANYONE! lol

I think some of you guys are confusing the Wachowskis with Time Warner/AOL - a HUGE conglomerate that can surpress any information it wants. There is no way they paid Sophia off to keep this news out of the media. They were already doing that by virtue of the fact that they OWN so much of the media. So that theory is simply illogical given the facts.

Obviously she had a strong case that withstood an aggressive legal battle. As high school kids (some of you seem to be from your comments about homework assignments), you have no idea of how difficult it is to get a lawyer to represent you against a big corporate entity. They have a legal DEPARTMENT, the little guy has at best a legal team. Lawyers get paid if they win the case - otherwise they just send a huge bill to a client who can't afford to pay up. So they won't touch something that is obviously unwinnable. You would have to invest a lot of time and energy compiling your facts before you even started trying to obtain legal representation. Even then you would be turned down a few times before you found someone willing to take a chance on you.

As far as the story of the Matrix Trilogy. Viewing it objectively it seems that parts 2 and 3 just heaped on a bunch of gratuitous religious and philosophical references that didn't really advance the narrative. Often these were just intriguing tidbits that ultimately led nowhere. Just something to make the story a bit different and keep the fans chattering. IMO the Wachowskis wrote a term paper without bothering to include quotation marks or a bibliography. What they brought to the table was a bunch of other people's ideas in a slick package. Continuing to revere them as gods is not reasonable.

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IEMan99, your posts seem quite logical to me.

allone wrote:

IEMan99 again you are saying that we just dont know...may i point out again, neither do you. and what exactly does the history of this country have to do with this case? because let me remind you too, you werent there either. (i didnt ask that for you to go off on a tangent about the history of this country, i did read that thread so i dont need a repeat..please!)

you're a sensitive guy arent you allone lol...

if you wanna see my opinion of how the history of this country could have something to do with the case just do some more researching of my posts lol , im pretty sure its in one of them.

YOU brought up my first post because you actually researched it lol . i had to point you in the right direction of where i was going with it because once again, you brought it up. i wasnt going off on a tangent.

AnaisKarim wrote:

I think some of you guys are confusing the Wachowskis with Time Warner/AOL - a HUGE conglomerate that can surpress any information it wants. There is no way they paid Sophia off to keep this news out of the media. They were already doing that by virtue of the fact that they OWN so much of the media. So that theory is simply illogical given the facts. Obviously she had a strong case that withstood an aggressive legal battle. As high school kids (some of you seem to be from your comments about homework assignments), you have no idea of how difficult it is to get a lawyer to represent you against a big corporate entity. They have a legal DEPARTMENT, the little guy has at best a legal team. Lawyers get paid if they win the case - otherwise they just send a huge bill to a client who can't afford to pay up. So they won't touch something that is obviously unwinnable. You would have to invest a lot of time and energy compiling your facts before you even started trying to obtain legal representation. Even then you would be turned down a few times before you found someone willing to take a chance on you.

SO TRUE, thank u....

IEMan99 wrote:

if you wanna see my opinion of how the history of this country could have something to do with the case just do some more researching of my posts lol , im pretty sure its in one of them. YOU brought up my first post because you actually researched it lol . i had to point you in the right direction of where i was going with it because once again, you brought it up. i wasnt going off on a tangent.

I brought up your first post to show you that you havent had the "open mind" that you want everyone else to have since you came here, you have been on her side since your first post.

i asked you not to go on a tangent so you wouldnt do it again, because (like i already said) i read that thread.

and yes, i actually researched your first post...i took an entire 5 seconds to click on the "profile" button under your name.

i wanted to note:

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wow, now thats serious. you dont need all the facts to base an opinion; you're only going to look at what you see?

(ill say it again) isnt that the same thing you have done? except you took the opposite side that most of us have. the side that doesnt have much evidence to support it.

as far as getting a lawyer to side with you, read previous posts in this thread. what better way would a lawyer have to become famous?

take a look at this case:

read my first post OBJECTIVELY then come back and tell me if u still feel the same way.... better yet, dont bother lol. in my first post i said its possible, i said keep an open mind (i know you guys hate that statement lol, how symbolic). i said wait till the facts come out. i didnt pledge my unwavering loyalty and love for her. i hated the way yall pounced on her because she threatened your reality.

and again, who knows these wachowski brothers? before of after this movie? ANYTHING! somebody. i'd ilke to see what they are about.

Time Warner do NOT own the media. Ruper Murdoch owns all the media! Unless Rupert Murdoch has some major link with Time Warner I see no reason why this case would be out of the news (unless no one thought it was worth reporting).

Fatpie42 wrote:

Time Warner do NOT own the media. Ruper Murdoch owns all the media! Unless Rupert Murdoch has some major link with Time Warner I see no reason why this case would be out of the news (unless no one thought it was worth reporting).

You must be in Europe.

This is quite a revalation for me...

Am I the only only one who noticed a correletion between these two movies?

Okay, you're still huffing hot air here, IEMan. No substance from you yet.

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those cases you mentioned are outrageous...yes it happens! and you are entitled to your biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion Nono . you know what would really convince me this woman is a liar....WHERE ARE THE WACHOWSKIS? who are they? does ANYONE know? ANYONE! lol Whitelaugh

Right here. It's like you've got two faces. One minute I'm entitled to my biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion. Then... you turn around ask where the Wachowskis are. And you've also only heard one side of the argument. As if that's a sign of guilt that the Wachowskis haven't said anything.

But then... I realized something. Technically... I have heard both sides of the arguments. Consider the following.

Sophia Stewart's claims are on the internet. We can go to the Fox News Network equivalents of information (da tymes... yeah, they aren't biased towards Ms. Stewart), and read or even listen to what her claims are. There are no counter websites out there claiming that the other sites are spouting inaccurate information on Stewart's behalf. So we can be reasonably certain the radio interview we're able to listen to, as well as the notes and case files, and all the "Mother of the Matrix" articles are essentially her side of the story.

Now... the other side of the argument. The Wachowskis. Gee... what are they going to say? Why are you desperate to hear what they are about? Can't you already assume this?
There's only 2 possible answers they could give us.

1.) Sophia Stewart is lying
2.) Sophia Stewart is telling the truth

The end. Either they directly copied off Ms. Stewart's work or they didn't. And we already know, since this court case is taking place, that they aren't coming out to say she's right. So we've already heard the other side. They won't present us with scripts or documents, but that's because we've already got them! I've got a copy of the script right here! Tada! And, due to the generosity (or lack thereof) of Ms. Stewart, I've got maybe two or three random pages of the Third Eye. Looks like both sides to me here.

The Wachowski's are not going to do an interview because what are they going to say? "We didn't do it?" What a waste of time that would be. They are the defendants... they get to look at the prosecution and refute claims against them. Since few people are even paying attention to this case anyway... there's no need to put on a public relations defense. This isn't an election.

So, I guess, technically, I AM informed on both sides. I've listened to Ms. Stewart, I've read what information she herself has volunteered... and I made a call.

I already know what the other side of the argument is. So I looked up the plaintiff's argument. From what they've provided... it's lacking. Very lacking.

Unless there is some other secret clue out there... like a super secret note that says "Dear Andy: Let's copy this story down. Love Larry." I suppose we've had a good peak at the sides of the story here. And I choose not to believe Ms. Stewart based on that.

That's right, I make calls based on what I know. I'm not a tv news reporter. I make decisions. I don't sit around and play semantics. "Ooh... you don't know everything, hahahaha."

Besides which, it's clear which side you are leaning towards in all of your posts... so I'm doing the same thing you are. Yet, you are very good at judging us, but forgetting to judge yourself. American history indeed... how poetic.

Now come back with something substantial besides the "We love dick and don't know anything card," and maybe we can continue the discussion.

Oh wait. I'm sorry. As it turns out, we CAN get information, in fact, more information, about Ms. Stewart and her claims.

All you have to do is order a couple of Cd's for 8 dollars and you'll get the whole Mother of the Matrix story, 2 and a half hours worth of their "information." Well, there's our evidence I guess. All we gotta do is pay for it.

So my question is, did she win or not? I haven't seen anything on the case besides a link from one of the original posts.

Doctor Shaft wrote:

Right here. It's like you've got two faces. One minute I'm entitled to my biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion. Then... you turn around ask where the Wachowskis are. And you've also only heard one side of the argument. As if that's a sign of guilt that the Wachowskis haven't said anything.

you're all over the place right here ^. the fact is you ARE entitled to your biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion. you can pick whoevers side you want, even if its a side that hasnt said anything to defend themselves or even given any clue as to who they are..and you defend them so vehemently.

you claim i do the same for sophia, but in fact i dont. unlike you (you said it yourself, you make "decisions"), I wait till i hear all the FACTS involved in the ACTUAL case before i form an opinion. What I was saying in earlier posts, since you hate it SO much i'm gonna say it again , keep an open mind. lol.

yall were like savage dogs when you first heard about this. "NO!..it CANT be, i wont believe it! Impossible! Oh My god....that bitch!". thats what was going through most of your minds when you guys first found out. lol

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But then... I realized something. Technically... I have heard both sides of the arguments. Consider the following. Sophia Stewart's claims are on the internet. We can go to the Fox News Network equivalents of information (da tymes... yeah, they aren't biased towards Ms. Stewart), and read or even listen to what her claims are. There are no counter websites out there claiming that the other sites are spouting inaccurate information on Stewart's behalf. So we can be reasonably certain the radio interview we're able to listen to, as well as the notes and case files, and all the "Mother of the Matrix" articles are essentially her side of the story. Now... the other side of the argument. The Wachowskis. Gee... what are they going to say? Why are you desperate to hear what they are about? Can't you already assume this? There's only 2 possible answers they could give us. 1.) Sophia Stewart is lying 2.) Sophia Stewart is telling the truth The end.

Wow! that was real descriptive! you're right, its going to be either answer 1 or answer 2. but....umm...how bout an explanation to follow that, that would be nice. for the fans at least. SOMETHING! you've heard nothing from them...at all.

and then some of you just jump right on wachowski penis then automatically go into "looking at the facts about the case" with an ALREADY biased view point. you're trying to figure out how it CANT be possible without seeing how it COULD be possible.

So all in all, you're telling me: that 'answer 1' ,or 'answer 2', and reading some of sophia's press releases, and a 'transcript', is ALL that you need for it to be classified as hearing both sides? wow, i hope you never get jury duty. i feel sorry for the defendent.

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Either they directly copied off Ms. Stewart's work or they didn't. And we already know, since this court case is taking place, that they aren't coming out to say she's right.

Duh! why would they volunteer that losing information? Here is how it sounds: "Hey Fans! guess what....we lost. we actually did steal from sophia stewart and we owe her every penny that the judgement was for"

Picture that!

Some how i dont think that will ever happen. They havent said anything--PERIOD--thus far. so what makes you think that they would let the fans know that they borrowed/stole ideas from this woman?

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So we've already heard the other side. They won't present us with scripts or documents, but that's because we've already got them! I've got a copy of the script right here! Tada! And, due to the generosity (or lack thereof) of Ms. Stewart, I've got maybe two or three random pages of the Third Eye. Looks like both sides to me here. The Wachowski's are not going to do an interview because what are they going to say? "We didn't do it?" What a waste of time that would be. They are the defendants... they get to look at the prosecution and refute claims against them. Since few people are even paying attention to this case anyway... there's no need to put on a public relations defense. This isn't an election. So, I guess, technically, I AM informed on both sides. I've listened to Ms. Stewart, I've read what information she herself has volunteered... and I made a call.

WOW! lol that was really objective; what you just said. i gotta give it up to you.

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I already know what the other side of the argument is. So I looked up the plaintiff's argument. From what they've provided... it's lacking. Very lacking.

"from what they've provided" <---you said it yourself. knowing what you just said how can you form this concrete opinion that you have?

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I suppose we've had a good peak at the sides of the story here. And I choose not to believe Ms. Stewart based on that.

you "suppose"? <---you sound really concrete and sure right there

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That's right, I make calls based on what I know. I'm not a tv news reporter. I make decisions.

you make calls based on what you know. well, you seem to know a lot about the case, dont you ? do you "suppose"?

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Besides which, it's clear which side you are leaning towards in all of your posts... so I'm doing the same thing you are.

Im leaning toward knowing what actually happened and hearing all the facts. i want to hear witness testimony. court transcripts. the wachowskis actually speak. oh yeah, i definitely would like to hear that, but they wont lol.

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Now come back with something substantial besides the "We love dick and don't know anything card," and maybe we can continue the discussion.

ok , ok what else would you like to hear besides the TRUTH? wait, here's another one; you're entitled to your opinion. your biased, not hearing all the sides, opinion. <---how bout that lol.

Fine.

I stand corrected.

We'll just wait for the results to become more public. A Salt Lake City newspaper alone isn't enough to be sure. Let's just see how this one turns out.

I'm sorry, I have been reading this site for a while now because I heard about the case from a friend, and I wasn't going to join but I just had to. Now, I'm not a huge fan of the Matrix series . Honestly I didn't care to much for them, the first one was cool but after that I lost interest. So I have no real biased opinion. A friend of mine told me about it a while back. I laughed at him and told him hey, it happens all the time. But from the things that I have read and seen about it all. I think this woman is crazy! She has no real arguement! And to say that all of this happened because she is black is stupid! Her Third Eye story that she is making public is pretty much word for word straight out of the bible, which to my knowlege is not copyrighted.
The people that are defending the Waschowski borthers make sense to me. The people that are defending Sophia make no sense. Especially Ieman.

ieman wrote this-
"you claim i do the same for sophia, but in fact i dont. unlike you (you said it yourself, you make "decisions"), I wait till i hear all the FACTS involved in the ACTUAL case before i form an opinion. What I was saying in earlier posts, since you hate it SO much i'm gonna say it again Cool , keep an open mind. lol."

dude, you totally do the same thing for Sophia! You don't have an open mind at all! Everything anyone says to you you just dismiss and ignore and instead say something like, you dont have all the facts! Why do you tell everyone that they don't know all the facts and make it out like you know so much more than everyone else? Are you related to her? Do you know her personally? Are you her? i have been reading this for a while and you just repeat your self over and over again! it gets really annoying. How can you say that you DON'T do the same thing for Sophia? You wait for all the facts? What is that? The facts aren't ALL out there! But you already know for a fact that she is right? You can't seem to defend that by the way. You cut apart what people are saying and ask them questions that you should ask yourself aswell and call them things...it seems that you should turn that finger that you are pointing to everyone and point it at yourself. Do you know Sophia? Other than what she says through her webpages? Which isn't very much. ANd if she already won, why is it only on that ONE website? I think something like this would be sort of a large story that news stations would be rushing to cover. And don't give me that "Warner Brothers owns the entire media" crap. I also don't think that there is any type of conspiracy going on.
Now I expect to get written back to with something like, "lol You're a funny guy" or "You have no voice because you don't know anything about this case" or "lol " I do have a voice and an opinion and from all the information that is out in the open there is one conclusion. She is lying! If she is soo desperate for people to support her and she wants this out in the open, why doesn't she use the INTERNET, which is something that I am positive die hard Matrix fans use, to post anything and everything that she can? For free! Make this case out in the open, force it out in the open! Go to dependable sources that people can believe rather than ghetto funk dot com or hip hop nations united or anything other than that.
stop sarcastically attacking people for giving your their reasons for not believing her and give your reasons why you DO believe her! I tried to not join and just read all of this stuff, but man! I can't take it anymore!

notime wrote:

I'm sorry, I have been reading this site for a while now because I heard about the case from a friend, and I wasn't going to join but I just had to. Now, I'm not a huge fan of the Matrix series . Honestly I didn't care to much for them, the first one was cool but after that I lost interest.

your post is gettin chopped up too.

im curious. if you're not really a matrix fan, why would you care about this site enough to read a specialized section of this board about sophia stewart? there are other sections on this forum, but you come here, out of all the other posts? why do you give a shit if 'you're not a huge fan of the matrix series'. you said "honestly I didnt care too much for them"<----why even be here? Thats suspect.

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So I have no real biased opinion.

yeah, ok what ever you say.

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A friend of mine told me about it a while back. I laughed at him and told him hey, it happens all the time. But from the things that I have read and seen about it all. I think this woman is crazy! She has no real arguement! And to say that all of this happened because she is black is stupid! Her Third Eye story that she is making public is pretty much word for word straight out of the bible, which to my knowlege is not copyrighted.

im still a little confused as to why, if you're not into the matrix that much (barely even liked the first one as you put it) read the whole Third Eye essay? you must've been really bored. Everyone claims to have read the third eye. Where is it available? i'd like to see the whole thing.

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The people that are defending the Waschowski borthers make sense to me. The people that are defending Sophia make no sense. Especially Ieman. ieman wrote this- "you claim i do the same for sophia, but in fact i dont. unlike you (you said it yourself, you make "decisions"), I wait till i hear all the FACTS involved in the ACTUAL case before i form an opinion. What I was saying in earlier posts, since you hate it SO much i'm gonna say it again Cool , keep an open mind. lol." dude, you totally do the same thing for Sophia! You don't have an open mind at all! Everything anyone says to you you just dismiss and ignore and instead say something like, you dont have all the facts!

No one has said anything of substance to me to convince me she's actually crazy like you said. or that she had nothing to do with the matrix. The things that i've read from a lot of you is either an opinion (biased at that), or 3 or 4 pages of an essay. does anyone have a link to the trancripts?

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Why do you tell everyone that they don't know all the facts and make it out like you know so much more than everyone else?

i know pretty much just as much as a lot of you all,which is not really a lot.

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Are you related to her? Do you know her personally? Are you her? i have been reading this for a while and you just repeat your self over and over again! it gets really annoying.

REPEAT AFTER ME 1)keep an open mind 2) I dont have all the facts...3) You're a funny guy. hows that! lol. nah, but seriously im not related to her, but i wish because if anything she has a lot of money comin to her...assuming she actually won. we dont even really know that yet!

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How can you say that you DON'T do the same thing for Sophia? You wait for all the facts? What is that? The facts aren't ALL out there! But you already know for a fact that she is right? You can't seem to defend that by the way. You cut apart what people are saying and ask them questions that you should ask yourself aswell and call them things

i dont know for a fact she is right. i CANT know for a fact...im not in the actual courtroom. however how can you people concretely tell me she's wrong? wheres the proof? thats all im saying. post some real proof, not some excerpts.

all i have to go on is how she thinks, and different clues that she mentioned that were TOO specific to be lied about. she is a bright woman. i paid the $8 to hear her talk just to see where she was coming from. unfortunately when it comes to the wachowskis i cant do that. again, have any of you heard from the wachowskis? AT ALL?

As far as name calling i dont remember name callling anyone names, specifically. if i did i apologize

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...it seems that you should turn that finger that you are pointing to everyone and point it at yourself. Do you know Sophia? Other than what she says through her webpages? Which isn't very much.

she says way more than the wachowskis say, so how do you guys just blindly pledge your allegiance to the wachowskis?

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ANd if she already won, why is it only on that ONE website? I think something like this would be sort of a large story that news stations would be rushing to cover. And don't give me that "Warner Brothers owns the entire media" crap. I also don't think that there is any type of conspiracy going on.

cool, thats your opinion..i mean, things like conspiracies dont happen at all, right 'notime'?

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Now I expect to get written back to with something like, "lol You're a funny guy" or "You have no voice because you don't know anything about this case" or "lol" I do have a voice and an opinion and from all the information that is out in the open there is one conclusion.

if you're not a matrix fan.... why would put so much effort into forming an opinion about this? i think you're lying. i think you are a matrix fan. you just changed your name or something, but anyway.

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She is lying!

Cool, thats your opinion.

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stop sarcastically attacking people for giving your their reasons for not believing her and give your reasons why you DO believe her!

nope, wont quit the sarcasm . my reasons? see above.

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I tried to not join and just read all of this stuff, but man! I can't take it anymore!

yeah, ok. all this from a guy whos not a matrix fan.

i have been reading this thread now for a while, and i have even contributed to it as well , even though my 1st post blasted the original poster

Now i am getting sick and tie'd of SOPHIA STEWART fan coming to this site and shuving there SOPHIA STEWART loving views in our faces.

The woman is a crackpot, she says that she wrote the Terminator movie, and that james camran stole it from her. Now she recons the W/Brothers stole her script for the matrix.

What next, is she going to sue George Lucas for stealing Star Wars.

W/Brothers
SOPHIA STEWART

lol

Ieman, you're a funny guy, lol

I knew you were going to say exactly what you said to me! It's very funny how predictable you are! I don't care about the Matrix series enough to give a rat's a$$ about any of this!
I got hooked on this site after reading your posts! I mean, they are ridiculous! Question me about how much of a fan I am, I openly admit that I don't care! I just had to say something after reading your posts, man! They give me a headache! It's like a trainwreck, you don't want to look but something forces you to!
I heard about this case, took an interest, approached it from both sides and tried to learn more about it. Why? Believe it or not, I have an interest in conspiracies, when I heard that there is this LARGE conspiracy going along with this case I wanted to learn more! But all I can find is stupid claims and stupid "conspiracies" that have no backing what so ever! So you really think that every single black person with any kind of power in the media has been paid off to keep silent? No, more like, they don't care to support Sophia because maybe they don't want to be associated with her! The only people supporting her have VERY biased views on the whole thing. They support her and don't give any reasons except that she is black and they must fight against the white man to reclaim what was pirated from her. Please.
Where are the people to act as character witnesses for her? The people that she just met to give her "white theft" story to so they can post it on their webpage? Call me crazy, but I think those sites will post any "white theft" story and label them as controversies. (You will now call me crazy)
It seems all you do is try to argue with everyone and when someone proves you wrong in some way, you change the subject and start some new type of arguement! I mean, seriously, even if you are a Matrix fan, look at where you are! If you are such a huge supporter of hers why did you come here to preach? You knew you would get this reaction and you seem to feed off of it! You have made your statements, and everyone else made theirs. Leave it at that.
If you are going to argue for her, then do it and dont blast people for saying what they think. If you are going to support her, give your reasons and try to prove everyone elses comments wrong, like they have done with yours. Don't just ignore them and repeat yourself!
I know you are going to write back and blast me but you know what? I don't care! I expect it! I pretty much already know what you are going to say! And I am a little bit better than lowering myself to your childish little game.
THIS IS MY LAST POST! I will not continue in your arguement and fuel your fire. I only joined to say what I said. I have said it and that is that. Say what you want, I know you will. Call me whatever you want to. I'll just blow it off like everything else you have said, and you will look even more immature. I won't respond and give you the gratification in thinking that you pissed someone else off.
I'm out!

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Ieman, you're a funny guy, lol I knew you were going to say exactly what you said to me! It's very funny how predictable you are! I don't care about the Matrix series enough to give a rat's a$$ about any of this!

i cant even front. lol. i like your style . you amuse me, but you're not fooling anyone; who ever you are.

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I got hooked on this site after reading your posts! I mean, they are ridiculous! Question me about how much of a fan I am, I openly admit that I don't care! I just had to say something after reading your posts, man! They give me a headache! It's like a trainwreck, you don't want to look but something forces you to!

again, IF YOU DONT CARE, why even post? especially in this thread.... Oh, ok something forces you to, you were compelled to come back. you got hooked after reading my posts--- i feel kinda flattered. thank you

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I heard about this case, took an interest, approached it from both sides and tried to learn more about it. Why? Believe it or not, I have an interest in conspiracies, when I heard that there is this LARGE conspiracy going along with this case I wanted to learn more! But all I can find is stupid claims and stupid "conspiracies" that have no backing what so ever!

Ok, you like conspiracies. cool, so if you can find no backing how can you come to the conclusion that the claims are stupid? based on what you've read? I DOUBT you've ACTUALLY read anything other than a couple of excerpts, but if you did give me the link so i can check it out.

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So you really think that every single black person with any kind of power in the media has been paid off to keep silent?

Black people in power getting paid off? you DO like conspiracies lol.

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No, more like, they don't care to support Sophia because maybe they don't want to be associated with her!

You're doing a lot of assuming. did you create that in your mind?

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The only people supporting her have VERY biased views on the whole thing. They support her and don't give any reasons except that she is black and they must fight against the white man to reclaim what was pirated from her.

NO, people supporting the wachowskis have biased views on the whole thing. you people couldnt believe it when you heard it. i remember the day, vaguely. i remember it was funny to me, though. i saw how much you guys liked wachowski-penis. yall were like rabbid dogs chasing a cat when it came to sophia stewart. lol. anyway you people give me no real reasons to believe the wachowskis. only opinions filled with hatred for her for fuckin with your reality. again, give me the links so i can check it out if you know something i dont know.

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Please. Where are the people to act as character witnesses for her?

hey! i wanna hear some witness testimony too.

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The people that she just met to give her "white theft" story to so they can post it on their webpage? Call me crazy, but I think those sites will post any "white theft" story and label them as controversies. (You will now call me crazy)

YOURE CRAZY! lol

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It seems all you do is try to argue with everyone and when someone proves you wrong in some way, you change the subject and start some new type of arguement!

who has proved me wrong? all anyone can give is opinion. show me something good.

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I mean, seriously, even if you are a Matrix fan, look at where you are! If you are such a huge supporter of hers why did you come here to preach?

the matrix is a good trilogy, but if she had something to do with it-determined by the court- she deserves some compensation. and its not so much that im a supporter, i just hate when people dick ride, especially too early on. to me, the jury is still out until i see some legitimate proof. (bet you didnt know i was gonna say that lol)

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You knew you would get this reaction and you seem to feed off of it!

maybe a little bit

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You have made your statements, and everyone else made theirs. Leave it at that.

Im cool with that!

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If you are going to argue for her, then do it and dont blast people for saying what they think. If you are going to support her, give your reasons and try to prove everyone elses comments wrong, like they have done with yours. Don't just ignore them and repeat yourself!

whose blastin? a lot of you guys are just sensitive....like girls. are you a girl? just curious. and to date, no one has proved my statements wrong.

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I know you are going to write back and blast me but you know what? I don't care! I expect it! I pretty much already know what you are going to say! And I am a little bit better than lowering myself to your childish little game.

lol. i think i know who you are. dont worry, im not going to blast you. you say you dont want to lower yourself, but you're still posting in this thread AND your responding to me. interesting. WAIT! lets add it to the fact that you hardly even like the matrix trilogy....right . umm, yeah....it all makes sense to me now.... NOT!

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THIS IS MY LAST POST! I will not continue in your arguement and fuel your fire. I only joined to say what I said.

i can almost guarantee this is NOT your last post. you'll be back without a doubt. you'll probly switch back to you're old screen name.

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I have said it and that is that. Say what you want, I know you will. Call me whatever you want to. I'll just blow it off like everything else you have said, and you will look even more immature.

i never called anyone names, however you're not fooling anybody....well maybe yourself - matrix lover.

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I won't respond and give you the gratification in thinking that you pissed someone else off. I'm out!

yeah, ok. 5 4 3 2 1....

IEMan,

You keep on saying that Wachowski fans are biased, but at least we have a reason to be. We have been given something special by the Wachowskis and even if it WERE based on The Third Eye there would still be something special about the way they adapted it.

What reason have you got to be biased towards Sophia Stewart? And don't claim you aren't since you were already obsessed with this story of so-called black opression long before she won the case (IF she won the case, which I still haven't seen sufficient evidence to be sure of).

Is that it? Is it because she's black? We're supporting the Wachowskis because we think the matrix is a masterpiece of direction and the story in the sequels has so much depth (there is much more depth in the sequels -which sofia claims not to understand- than in the first movie). While your reason to support sofia is that she's black. And you think YOU are the open-minded one?