»SOPHIA STEWART VICTORIOUS?«

Thoth wrote:

This is just a case of jealousy by Fatpie and his buddies above. Someone up there said that James Cameron was sued because of plagiarising the Terminator from someone else. The question is, did that person win the lawsuit? Did that person have the evidence? The answer is Nope.

1) Why would I be jealous? I don't want to steal money from the Wachowskis.

2) We said that James Cameron was sued because he was! And the answer is 'yes'. That person WAS successful in suing James Cameron and now has their name written on the movie credits. As anomaly said, the Third Eye was written AFTER the work of the last person to sue James Cameron. Doesn't that mean that Sophia plagurised them?

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Science Fiction author Harlan Ellison filed a lawsuit against Cameron, claiming that Cameron plagiarized several of his short stories, namely "Soldier"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963) and "Demon With a Glass Hand"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963). The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"-(1967). Newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison.

-taken from:
cinephiles.net...

so if Ms. Stewart has sued Mr. Cameron and won, does this mean that Mr. Ellison now has a valid lawsuit against her?
or is it just coincidence that she has the same ideas that Ellison had years before her and she isn't responsible for the similarities in her and his work? (if so, why not?)

anyway, now that she has the money she can make her own movies and not have to worry about the white man turning down her ideas...that way she can sue anyone in the future who has similar themes and ideas as she...
or people will see her work and sue her for plagerising them.

That's what makes this all so confusing.

allone wrote:

Quote: Science Fiction author Harlan Ellison filed a lawsuit against Cameron, claiming that Cameron plagiarized several of his short stories, namely "Soldier"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963) and "Demon With a Glass Hand"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963). The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"-(1967). Newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison. -taken from: cinephiles.net... so if Ms. Stewart has sued Mr. Cameron and won, does this mean that Mr. Ellison now has a valid lawsuit against her? or is it just coincidence that she has the same ideas that Ellison had years before her and she isn't responsible for the similarities in her and his work? (if so, why not?) anyway, now that she has the money she can make her own movies and not have to worry about the white man turning down her ideas...that way she can sue anyone in the future who has similar themes and ideas as she... or people will see her work and sue her for plagerising them.

love the sarcasm.

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Science fiction author Harlan Ellison sued Cameron, claiming that the film was plagiarized from the two "Outer Limits, The" (1963) episodes that Ellison wrote, namely "Soldier" and "Demon With a Glass Hand". The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream". The suit was settled out of court and newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison.

there was this case of the terminator plagerism

This is ridiculous...

There is no way the W. bros could have ever gotten away with such a crime...and no matter what they still made Reloaded and Revolutions themselves (right...?)...

I simply dont believe her...just another nobody trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame...

Anybody know anyplace, where one can read The Third Eye...

Appearantly they did, according to the courts. Hey anything is possible, I mean Bush got re-elected.

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I mean Bush got re-elected.

with both the popular vote and the electoral college vote...bloody cynics

i want to know about the edited footage from the original matrix...now that this case is out of the way, will that footage that was edited out be made available? perhaps a re-released M1 with the edited out portions edited back in? that would be pretty cool.

wait...now that this trial has gone through and all, does this change the release date for the box set? do they have to push it back to go in and give credit to Sophia on all the movies now?

I heard that the edited footage was completely destroyed so I don't think that they could add it as an "edited" scenes section on a dvd. If it's true it is probably gone for good.

damn, that sucks

It's frightening how many people champion a big company's ability to crush an individual. I hope you realize that if something like this ever happened to you, you'd be on the bottom of the shoe of a large corporation too. You'd have difficulty finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on the huge legal team of an established media giant. You would have to be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you had a winnable case before anyone would even touch it. They wouldn't want their own career destroyed by the powers that be.

and i find it frightning how many people in the world today think its ok to sue for money that someone has invested years of their life to make a better life for themselves and their family...i find it disturbing how many court cases there must be theoughout the world where people are sueing for damages but "arent in it for the money...honest guv'nor...its the principle"

my ass...its pure greed

the watchowskis created a master piece...and somebody wanted a slice of the pie without putting in the hard work for it

It's painfully obvious that you are not speaking with the voice of experience. It's not so easy to just sue someone. If you don't have a strong case, no lawyer will touch it. Obviously from the way this turned out, she had a strong case.

your faith in the american justice system is extremely naive and foolish

examples being that a man who was robbing someones house when he got locked inside the garage and when the owners were on holiday...won a claim against them because he had to live off stale pepsi for 3 days

another man made a successful claim for damages when a man ran over his hands...quite reasonable and logical you would think...until you hear that he was stealing the hubcaps of the car at the time and never noticed the owner start up the car

or the woman who sued toys r us after tripping over a child who was running riot around one of their stores....it was her own child

so as you can see...people need not have a strong case for anything...

face it, we are not gonna agreen on a damn thing. ladies and gentlemen we are split, right down the middle. sophia got her money (rightfully so, i might add).. and thats that.

its not like any of us is gonna see the money anyway. why do you guys slob the wachowskis' knobs so much? its a little scary.

i pose this question to all of you: if someone shot at the wachowskis would you jump in front of the bullets to save them? lol, its comical.

and why do you lap sophia's bearded clam so much

besides...i thought larry got a sex change anyway

the anomaly wrote:

and why do you lap sophia's bearded clam so much besides...i thought larry got a sex change anyway

i love lappin girls , but that wasnt lappin. i rooted for the under dog because of the way yall were trying to rip her apart without even hearing the whole story (a lot of you havent, still-even to this day).

ive heard this kind of argument before...usually relating to people who slate george bush...despite knowing only what the biased media tells them they should know

granted...i havent read up on the case...cause quite frankly its boring reading about civil cases

but what it boils down to is this

would she have had the vision to deliver the matrix story as the wachowski's did...the same "feel"

did she devote 6 years of her life to nothing but the matrix for 15-18 hour days?

no...she wrote 8 pages of a story....showed it to someone...who liked the idea....then made something nothing like the story she wrote....

remember the fact that it is claimed that there are only 6 types of stories in the world...and every book written is a variation of those basic 6 stories....so should everyone be sueing everyone else who has ever written a story based on a similar basic story?

the anomaly wrote:

granted...i havent read up on the case...cause quite frankly its boring reading about civil cases

from here on, you cant really talk.

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but what it boils down to is this would she have had the vision to deliver the matrix story as the wachowski's did...the same "feel" did she devote 6 years of her life to nothing but the matrix for 15-18 hour days? no...she wrote 8 pages of a story....showed it to someone...who liked the idea....then made something nothing like the story she wrote....

U still cant really talk too much about it because you didnt even give the case a look. you're relying on a website. there's probably countless pieces of evidence and witness testimony. things you will never see, and even if it is as miniscule as "8 pages" like you say, if she had ANY influence over the story then she's entitled to every penny that the courts determined.

Nobody is gonna invest their professional time in a case like this without solid evidence. they went up against media giants and big producers. you have to come with some serious substance or else their team of lawyers will CRUSH you in court. guaranteed!

In america, I have to say that Sophia's case wasn't that good with the public.

Considering that america is a country were people have sued for spilling coffee on they're lap.

A contry were people sue because they're FAT.

A country were people have sued because they said that they're 8 page paper is the same thing as 2 completely different multimillion dollar trilogys

IEMan99 wrote:

Nobody is gonna invest their professional time in a case like this without solid evidence.

if i was a greedy lawyer and someone came to me with a case like this, with the slightest possibility of winning a TON of money, damn right i would take the case! think of how much the lawyer got for the case. he can probably retire. i would throw in something about the hard working, humble citizen who doesnt care about all the money, just the principle and make the jury feel pity for my client because they are going up against a multi-million dollar company. and even if the multi-million dollar company lost they are still filthy rich; they dont really lose anything, except pride. i would throw in anything i could (whether it is related to the case or not) to simply get pity for my poor plaintiff who has been soo terribly wronged and has suffered mental anguish and financial losses because of whatever the case may be.

thats the american way. thats why billion dollar corporations get sued all the time and settle out of court most of the time too. they dont want to waste more money by going to court, so they offer an amount (which is very little to the company but a lot to the individual) just to shut up and leave them alone. not because they feel they are right or wrong, just to get it over with and move on.

like i said before, with the right lawyer, in america you can sue someone just for wearing the same shoes that you are! (i know its not that extreme, but you get the point) people can make a case out of anything, and there are a ton of lawyers who will jump on it just because they know that it will most likely be settled out of court because the company doesnt want to deal with it, and look at how much the lawyer can collect off of it as well.

i see things all the time that i can sue over! (but i dont!) i was rear ended last month and my car suffered minimal damage. the lady was lucky to have hit me because i didnt take her to court and sue for injury, car repair (could have probably got a new car if i took it far enough) lost wages, mental anguish, stress, you name it! i didnt because it wasnt major, i lived, so what my car was damaged, its just a damn car! and i didnt see the need in anything except an apology from her, which she did, over and over and over. she offered to pay doctor bills, money so i wouldnt report it to her insurance and so on. i declined, all i gained was a hurt neck and a dent in my car.

IEMan99 wrote:

i pose this question to all of you: if someone shot at the wachowskis would you jump in front of the bullets to save them? lol, its comical.

i already answered you, and asked you the same thing, which you have yet to answer.

read my previous posts to see why i do not have respect for this woman. i dont feel like saying it again. also, there has been no responses to my previous statements about the case with james cameron from any of her supporters, it seems that they show up in the forum whenever a point is made that they can counter.

allone wrote:

Quote: Science Fiction author Harlan Ellison filed a lawsuit against Cameron, claiming that Cameron plagiarized several of his short stories, namely "Soldier"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963) and "Demon With a Glass Hand"-(Outer Limits, The; 1963). The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"-(1967). Newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison. -taken from: cinephiles.net... so if Ms. Stewart has sued Mr. Cameron and won, does this mean that Mr. Ellison now has a valid lawsuit against her? or is it just coincidence that she has the same ideas that Ellison had years before her and she isn't responsible for the similarities in her and his work? (if so, why not?)

please answer that, i would love to read your thoughts on it

also, was her paper really only 8 pages? (i have heard/read different numbers) and in that paper, did it give detailed describtions as to how the film should be directed/shot and so on? for some reason, i dont think it did. i also think (am not sure but willing to bet) that the M1 script was a little bit longer than 8 pages.

allone wrote:

also, was her paper really only 8 pages? (i have heard/read different numbers) and in that paper, did it give detailed describtions as to how the film should be directed/shot and so on? for some reason, i dont think it did. i also think (am not sure but willing to bet) that the M1 script was a little bit longer than 8 pages.

yup, its official. you would lay down your life for the wachowskis, lol.

above you said, and i paraphrase:

" was her paper really 8 pages?..i dont THINK it did...i also THINK".

im saying this to say that when it comes down to it you REALLY dont know. you didnt and dont have access to the court docuements and transcripts. you dont know what anyone has seen. you guys still dont know and when u started bad mouthing her in the very beginning you didnt know. all you had was a website with excerpts.

the reason im defending her is because you people didnt even give her a chance to tell her story. you approached it BIASED from the beginning. as humans i know, its hard to let go of things especially when something like the matrix has made that much of an impact on your life. but guess what, things change. and some things you think are one way,in the end become something completely different. like this whole situation

but dont worry, you can cry on my shoulder lol

first of all, i never bad mouthed her until after the case was won. and even then, i just said that i do not respect her. lol

i have already said that i would not give my life for the brothers, and again i ask, what have i said that makes you think i would give my life to anyone? just because i do not support/respect this woman, that automatically means that i am willing to die for the people that she sued? that is just absurd. the only people in this world that i am readily willing to die for are the same people that are readily willing to die for me..my friends and family. lol

and yes i do THINK, because you are right, i have not seen the material in person...have you? were you on the jury? were you there in the court room while the case was going on? did you see the material? if not then you have just as much to go by as anyone else on this forum. (we can go to other webpages besides this one looking for answers too, you know) lol

dont associate me with everyone else in this forum, i did not get into this discussion and bad mouth her from the start of it all. i wasnt even a member when it started! read my previous posts in this thread to see my thoughts and opinions on it. (which i am very much entitled to, just like you are) lol

you have still avoided my question about james cameron. lol
you have also not yet answered if you are willing to die for ms. stewart. lol

and you havent responded to my comments about lawyers (or other peoples comments about the judicial system), you just totally avoided them (perhaps because they are true?) and my question about the case with mr. cameron and mr. ellison (that was also asked by another member) and changed this into a way to label me and the other members as someone who would die for the wachowskis. lol

please, talk about the case, not me or other members. argue the point i made about lawyers, tell me your opinion. lets hear that the american judicial system is perfect and nobody has ever won a case in our courts unless they 100% deserved to without ANY shadow of a doubt. tell us that large companies do not just give in and pay just to get over it and not have to deal with it. tell us how an 8 page paper can tell a story that took more than three movies to tell, and how this paper also described in detail how to direct it and so on. lol

and the tears that i shed are from laughter. lol

IEMan99 wrote:

the anomaly wrote: granted...i havent read up on the case...cause quite frankly its boring reading about civil cases from here on, you cant really talk. Quote: but what it boils down to is this would she have had the vision to deliver the matrix story as the wachowski's did...the same "feel" did she devote 6 years of her life to nothing but the matrix for 15-18 hour days? no...she wrote 8 pages of a story....showed it to someone...who liked the idea....then made something nothing like the story she wrote.... U still cant really talk too much about it because you didnt even give the case a look. you're relying on a website. there's probably countless pieces of evidence and witness testimony. things you will never see, and even if it is as miniscule as "8 pages" like you say, if she had ANY influence over the story then she's entitled to every penny that the courts determined. Nobody is gonna invest their professional time in a case like this without solid evidence. they went up against media giants and big producers. you have to come with some serious substance or else their team of lawyers will CRUSH you in court. guaranteed!

yes i can really talk...ive looked through all the links which go to the adobe court documents...ive read as much as i have time to read on the subject and i am as entitled to an opinion as anyone else on this forum...you seem to be making the rather stupid mistake of thinking you are the font of all knowledge...you are not...

and for some strange reason...i cant help but think that you are not in possession of all the facts of the case either...

the thing that i find most bizzare is the way the matrix has so many open minded references to the way society....and all of it is supposed to come from the closed mind of a racist anti white,black woman who thinks the whole world owes her a debt both financially and socially

she simply seems bitter,twisted and hypocritical