»Merovingian: Previous One, program, or what?«

Hi

I have created this space so you can debate your opinion about the Merovingian. Was it a previous One, is it a normal program, or is it a rebel program? (dont limitate yourself to my three options.

Exile program.

Everyone agrees on this now....wait a second....Apoc will come and say that Merv holds a legitimate function.

Well, I also think he is an exile, as he has a group of exiles working for him.
Do you know what does Seraph has to do with the Merovingian?

All we know is that Seraph was once alligned with the Merovingian and then left him probably due to the influences of the Oracle.[/i]

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Exile program. Everyone agrees on this now....wait a second....Apoc will come and say that Merv holds a legitimate function.

Merv holds a legitimate function... like every program.

I should hold bets.

the question remains did he CHOOSE to come to the Matrix or was he Exiled there by force?

We dont know that for sure but my hypothesis is that something like this happened-

1. Merv is unsuccessful at his job and is scheduled for deletion.
2. Merv wants to escape deletion and has also been showing frustration about the machine-world for a time being. He questions WHY he should go back and concludes that he can escape.
3. He flees to the Matrix.

Merv discovered the fact that programs can "hide" in the Matrix to avoid deletion?

I think Merv is exiled and stored enough information before staying in the Matrix to last him longer than he will ever need. Mayhap his quest for the Oracle's eyes is something left over from his time when he was still an accepted program.

It has been my belief for a while, based on allusions the Wachowski bros. try to make in the Trilogy, that Merovigian possibly could have been the right hand man of The Architect from the beginning. My theory, similar to others I've spoken to is like this.

The Architect creates The Matrix based on Merovigian's theory of causality. Why do i believe Merv and Architect were so close? Merovigian does symbolize The Devil in a way since he runs Club Hell. So in this repect he would be Satan who was kicked out of Heaven (the machine world) for revolting against God (the machines). Perhaps Merovigian got too jealous of the humans. He din't understand why the machines would give them this virtual world in the first place.

So Architect gets rid of him. he takes away his purpose of being his right hand man. Instead of ebing deleted he chooses exile in the Matrix. Kinda like when Satan is kicked out of Heaven he begins to run Hell.

This also would explain his vendetta against The Oracle. he is pissed at her for replacing him as the program behind the matrix. That is why he wants her eyes. He wants all the power to run the Matrix.

This also would explain why he is annoyed by all "The One's."

"Mark my words boy. I have survived your predecessors."

He has been in the matrix the whole time. This is a known fact. He now knows all there is to know about The Matrix. More then Neo and Morpheus even knows. He knows the secrets.

Notice his convo with Neo in the restaurant in Reloaded. He equates himself to him.

"It's what seperates us from them."

Satan can be seen as a brother to Christ in a way. He was God's favorite angel before he rebelled and once jesus was born, his purpose was to distract him from his mission. All Merovigian does is try to stop Neo from recahing the source and completing his purpose. The same way Satan temps Jesus from completing his mission.

In regards to Merovigian and Seraph. I believe that when Seraph first came to The Matrix he began working for The Merovigian. However over time he was greatly influenced by The Oracle to help her in her quest from peace and betrayed The Merovigian.

This should be obvious as Merovigian says, "My little Judas."

So that is my basic theory on Merovigian based on the allusions The Wachowskis make. Am I reaching in some of my theories, yes. This is why I can only hope in the future The Wachowskis make another Animatrix DVD about the history of the matrix and chracters like Seraph and Merovigian. I think that would be insane.

Just to boost up your theory a bit, Exile7: Lucifer (Satan) was not exiled to hell. He was exiled to earth and, indirectly, he holds power over all kingdoms... or so it says on the Christian Bible.
Likewise, the Merovingian may have been exiled to the Matrix over a rebelion and he does hold power over pretty much everything, even if indirectly.
Also, the Merovingian gathers the Fallen/Exiled programs around him.

As it may have been discussed, his name does recall back to the Lineage of kings supposed to descend from the Gods.

Thanks SilverGlow. It still supports my theory though, could even enlighten it more.

It would have been interesting if the Merovingian was a former agent, a rogue program like Smith. But I don't think this could ever be true because he has people working/fighting for him, and had he been an agent he could have done those things himself.
I do think he is an exile program and probably holds an alternate purpose of "guiding" the one to the source in an obscure kind of way.

Eventhough Merv's is an exile of the machine world, I thought it was merv's purpose to know everything inside the matrix, (ie. information).

Neo1 wrote:

Eventhough Merv's is an exile of the machine world, I thought it was merv's purpose to know everything inside the matrix, (ie. information).

True.

I think a lot of people somehow forgot about this.

thanks El Escogido, too many poeple are hell bent on trying to find clues about he merv being a one etc. but often the answer to the question being asked is the most simplest response, (ie my previous post).

Actually, on Matrix online they said that information is the "money" of programs since all the rest is fake. So Merv is powerfull because he has a lot of source of information, but it does not mean that gathering informations is his purpose.

I'd rather see information as a mean (and not a "why" as he says) to reach his purpose. My feeling is that Merv is there to control the exiles, to prevent them from trying to go in revolution once again against Deus ex.

what is this of trying to give exhiles purpose? that's exactly the only thing they dont have, it's what makes them exhiles in the first place

Smith is an exile and he still has a purpose. The keymaker is an exile and he still has a purpose.

The deleting/hidding choice is a lie to beter control the rebel programs. Everything that exist in the Matrix has a purpose, but it indirectly serves higher goals that exiles are unware of.

merv is nohting but a perverted computer program!

as one of the oldest, perhaps an original program, merv has a distinction of being in league with the archetect/deus. his function is to properly apply logic to all equations...cause, effect. imagine a bedmas opperation in a completely different order. the answer would be incorrect. he is the laws of the univers (matrix) personafied.

if merve were to be a true exhile, agents would want him. agents wanted the keymaster. agents do not bother with the oracle. smith by that time was an exhile of sorts.

oracle desribes merv as someone in her own latitude, and dangerouse. she sent all of the previouse ones to him.

merve resents oracle because she has the ability to "see" all of the unknown variables in an equation before her does. he understands how to order an equation, but not solve them. oracle can assign the "values", and merve has no choice but to do the yeomans work in the blind.

in keeping with the theme of binary numbers shoing up in the movies, the merovingeons parlor is given 101, which means INQ or inquire in binary gray code.

...more to follow...lights out now

Unfortunately for many of you, Mirovingian is more than a program.
Even the name... Do you guys even know what the Mirovingian bloodline is?

Smith had no interest in him, there never was a moment when they met. Neither there were any other agents around him.

He is smarter than Neo too... Not surprisingly though... (neo is bumb as a doorknob)...

we know who the merovingeons were. there real world application has no meaning in the movie. of course merv is smarter than neo, otherwise what purpose would merve serve? and again, the agents want nothing to do with merve, that much you have gotten.

as for merve being far more than a program, you are also right. the three main programs have always been involved with each succeding generation of the one. archetecht, oracle and merovingeon. they are in essence a trinity.

however, would anyone out there wish to hazard a guess as to the fate of merv, once the smith program consumed the matrix? ...recall "smiths" rant in the final battle. "why? why? do it? why get up? why keep fighting..." soon, he is ranting about neo's possible motives for continuence. sounds very much like the rantings of our friend merve.

Unfortunately for many of you, Smith is not only smarter than Neo, he is also more enlighted (or en-darkened if someone has a problem with a negative character being enlighted).

He, as good as anybody, understands the futility of human life. His views are much more philosophical. WHY? He asks the question... While Neo never does... Neo is not very good with questions... Remember, he is just Oracle's puppet... Puppets don't ask questions... They ask for directions and what they should do next...

Mirovingian doesn't ask questions. He has answers... Causality... The cause and effect... His ideas are simple, and make a lot of sense... He doesn't want Matrix to go, unlike Smith, who hates the Matrix as much as Humanity... Matrix is home for Mirovingian...

I hate the scene in revolutions, when Trinity meets with him. It may well be the lamest scene in the whole trilogy...