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aweisgrau2 wrote:

Its getting tiring hearing you say that you understand everything about all this.

Believe me, it's even more tiresome to read a lot of stupidies here. And if I write anything about something, I have scientific facts and rationality suporting my theories. How many of you here can say that for yourself? How many of you that disagree with me on some scientific or logical subject, have some knowledge of that very subject and can say you are well informed about this? What suports your claims, what theory, anything at all except that claims themselves?

Ha, I was just thinking...
Since this is a forum, how do we know that all of us aren't just little 6th graders saying the names of people we heard about in history class and just kinda agreeing with what other people are saying...maybe just looking at other forums and copying and rewording?
Hm...How do we know the others exist? Not going to get into complete definitives of reality...but how do we know that we are just trees in a forest of eternity reliving a cheerful memory of a game we played when we were just saplings? How do we know we aren't the saplings playing the games? Maybe the game starts at around three years old...with a couple scattered memories thrown in...And a reality pulled over our eyes... How did I get from 6th grade retards to a Matrix kind of "game?"

Bullet-timer wrote:

aweisgrau2 wrote: Its getting tiring hearing you say that you understand everything about all this. Believe me, it's even more tiresome to read a lot of stupidies here. And if I write anything about something, I have scientific facts and rationality suporting my theories. How many of you here can say that for yourself? How many of you that disagree with me on some scientific or logical subject, have some knowledge of that very subject and can say you are well informed about this?

Yes I agree, some of this stuff sounds retarded...like 6th grade dorks misunderstanding someone else's talk...*I kind of said that in the post above*...but some stuff is debatable. You say you "understand" stuff, but really you only understand your perspective of a theory you have heard and adapted to more comfortably fit your own version of reality.

aweisgrau2 wrote:

Yes I agree, some of this stuff sounds retarded...like 6th grade dorks misunderstanding someone else's talk...*refers to post above*...but some stuff is debatable. You say you "understand" stuff, but really you only understand your perspective of a theory you have heard and adapted to more comfortably fit your own version of reality.

No, there is serious load of stuff that I don't understand, but when you are talking about something, I can give you some scientific fact which I know. And then everybody starts with "it's wrong because nothing is real, there is no truth" shit.
How intelectual can it be?
When we are talking about science, we are talking about science and you can't prove it wrong with phylosophy, even less irrationality.
And when we are talking about phylosophy, we are talking about something that should make sense. And not constantly get caught in some trivial contradictions.
Phylosoph isn't about sounding smart, but making sense.

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No, there is serious load of stuff that I don't understand

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that concept of "nothing" is quite understandable.

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Time is maybe beyond YOUR comprehention. But if you can't get it, don't bet that nobody else can.

That's just 2 things you've said...

But I see you never really said you understand it...just that its understandable.

Still, you are talking as if all your supporting "evidences" are facts.
They're theories. Didja get that? theories. Beleieve it or not, its not proven...not quite a fact...

And I'm not talking about fact as in, Ohmygodwhatifitsnotcuzthenitwouldntyoucantproveit fact...I mean the everyday term. Fact as in scientifically proven for this universe and set of physical laws which we know.

aweisgrau2 wrote:

I say negative is impossible

Ever looked at a battery? >)

ThechosenOne wrote:

How can nothing exist? Let me rephrase that... How does one define "nothing"?

'Nothing' is absense of 'something'.

Bullet wrote:

If every thing that anybody doesn't understand would cease to exist, there would be no existence at all.

There is a theory that as soon as the secrets of the world are discovered, the universe will instantly be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
Other theories state this has already happened.

Bullet wrote:

And then everybody starts with "it's wrong because nothing is real, there is no truth" shit.

Honestly, your Internet cable dies for a week and everyone's forgotten you exist...

aweisgrau2 wrote:

That's just 2 things you've said...

I count 3...

Anyway, I did some research and found the rules of Formal Logic laid down my Aristotle, if anyone's interested.

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The term "nothing" shouldn't be looked at as physical. It's more of a mental state....to me, the only way "nothing" could exist is when someone dies, or before they came to be.

Do you remember life before you were born? No, you were nothing. Some may also believe the same thing happens when you die, that you become "nothing" again.

However, many people believe in some sort of afterlife, so this "nothing" couldn't exist after death according to them.

I believe in God, and I want to go to Heaven someday. However, I think that before I was born, I was "nothing"....But then again, I think once somebody is aware that life exists, no matter who they are, they can't become a "nothing" again....I just can't picture "nothing".

And that, my friends, is the basis of the human flaw. Nobody can see past their own life. And I mean NOBODY.

BigMista wrote:

The term "nothing" shouldn't be looked at as physical.

I agree with that, but then the question arises what is beyond the universe? Void? Nothing?

And nothing can't be physical, like you said, because it's absense of matter. NOT antimatter - that's the opposite of matter.

And... what's in a vacuum, if not nothing?

And if there's nothing in there, doesn't that mean there's something in there?