»Does everything that have a beginning have an end?«

First of all, hi everyone who remembers me from before! I just came across something in my math class (of all places) that I wanted to share with you.

I found out something that has a beginning, but no end. Guess what?

Well....a line can start on a point and go on forever....hence, no end....

Oh....an asymptote is some line that gets closer and closer to a curve but never reaches it....

The One Lives On wrote:

Well....a line can start on a point and go on forever....hence, no end.... Oh....an asymptote is some line that gets closer and closer to a curve but never reaches it....

It's a theory, not an absolute.

Everything that has a beginning has an end. Pretty obvious to me.

A ray. o---------------o-> This is Ray AB
A B

Ray....A drop of golden sun?

Jk.

nocturnal_anonymous wrote:

First of all, hi everyone who remembers me from before! I just came across something in my math class (of all places) that I wanted to share with you. I found out something that has a beginning, but no end. Guess what?

the pie numbers?

When all existence ends, there will be no rays, no pie, no nothing. That is until existence starts over again.

Same in the Matrix. I'm sure those things which we think have no end exist in the Matrix. But once the Matrix crashes....
and then reboots?

Everything that has a beginning has an end.
Everything that has an end has a new beginning.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Everything that has a beginning has an end. Everything that has an end has a new beginning.

I like that. I might use it somewhere.

Matrix 1
Smith: Did you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability. That is the sound of your death. Goodbye Mr. Anderson
Neo: My name is Neo.

Matrix 3
Smith: Everything that has a beginning has an end, NEO. (meaning NEW)
Neo: You were right Smith. You were always right. It was inevitable.

(Whoa, Smith called Neo by his internet alias, after the whole trilogy, Neo's realises his purpose, which was to END, in order to start a NEW for Humanity)

The fact however remains: Wars never end, friendships don't last, companies go bankrupt, life ends (Hence Architect blunt and selfexplanatory remarks. Architect which I think is a manifestation, an individual personifaction of God - a vision only Neo/Oracle whitnessed - the voice in your head maybe? - Architect>Archetype). But humanity will exist, as it did for years, generation after generation with 'love' (and maybe understanding - all that is in between (wars/materialism/whatever) as adaptor. Oracle 'believed'.

Knowledge will always re-define numbers.
Destruction gives birth to creation.

MoonGoat wrote:

A ray. o---------------o-> This is Ray AB A B

YAY! MoonGoat got it. Or at least that's the one that we talked about in Geometry.

Pi is a really long number, but I'm sure it has an end someplace.

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Everything that has a beginning has an end. Everything that has an end has a new beginning.

I lilke it.

nocturnal_anonymous wrote:

Pi is a really long number, but I'm sure it has an end someplace.

No, it has no end! It is mathematical fact. It is irational (and even transcendent) number. Even some rational numbers (periodical ones) have no end. Take for example 1/3=0.333333333333.... If pi had end, it would be rational, which it isn't, and also it would be possible to construct a length of pi, which is impossible since it is transcedental. It is mathematicaly proven and it is one of fundamental truths in mathematics, reason, existence, whatever you want.

No..

pi is .33333 infinity trinity infinity see in the "real world"
you can cut a pie into 3 pieces but in a comp sim world 1/3 is tranlated to .33333 which adds up to .999999 somewhere there must be a .1 added to make a whole anyways


every ending IS a begining

abigail wrote:

pi is .33333 infinity trinity infinity see in the "real world" you can cut a pie into 3 pieces but in a comp sim world 1/3 is tranlated to .33333 which adds up to .999999 somewhere there must be a .1 added to make a whole anyways every ending IS a begining

i like this...it reminds me of my how neo is called the one...

and how during the calculations for the matrix an unending number occured...and the machines being dictated by the logic of mathamatics were unable to round the number up to something that can exist in the "real world"

humans however do have that ability and so neo(and his predeccessors)were used to finalise the calculation for the existance of the matrix....this made him exempt from the rules that governed the machines...

this had to be controlled...and all the other factors were simply mechanisms of that control...the oracle told him everything in order to get him to see the architect...the story about the saviour of the human race was all part of the only way in which neo could be taken back to the source before his ablilites were able to threaten the existance of the machines

this occurs when he is able to manipulate his link to the source(through the code within him to round up the calculation) and thus is able to connect to and control everything else that is connected to the source(sentinals etc)

after his encounter with the architect and the choice he made there...he existed for longer than any of his predeccessors did and hence his abilities were more advanced than any of them...none of the others before him were able to stop the sentinals because they all chose to go to the source to "save humanity"...

they did this because the architect essentially lied to them...the world and human kind would not have ceased to exist(as shown by the fact that it continued after neo chose not to return) and it was only to stop them becoming more powerful

ive said all this before in months and years gone by on this forum

anyway

back to the point

something that has no beginning or end...a perfect circle or sphere

somthing that has a beginning but no end....the highlander

abigail wrote:

pi is .33333 infinity trinity infinity see in the "real world" you can cut a pie into 3 pieces but in a comp sim world 1/3 is tranlated to .33333 which adds up to .999999 somewhere there must be a .1 added to make a whole anyways every ending IS a begining

No there isn't that .1 because there is no need for it since .33333... goes infinitely. If there were .1 then you would have this: 0.333...333, 0.333...333 and 0.333...334 so that this last one wouldn't be equal to 1/3. We are takling here about infinite (or more corectly infinitesimal) sizes and there is no point in searching for their end. It would be as saying that there actually is the biggest number. Infinity maybe is hard to understand since it isn't defined as number but, nevertheless, it is a mathematical term and it has its meaning and definition. Infinity is simply infinite and that's it!

the anomaly wrote:

something that has no beginning or end...a perfect circle or sphere

No, wrong! Circle (or sphere or whatever) is limited shape and it HAS end(s). And fact that circle is "perfect", as you call it, has nothing to do with anything. Circle is just one closed curve, as is square (4-n) or triangle (3-n). Only diference is that circle is infinity-n. So, if you would say that triangle has 3 ends, circle has infinite ends. In analitic geometry, equation that defines circle is x^2+y^2=r^2 and it gives set of all points(x,y) that are actually ends of circle. You just have to choose one arbitrarily. If something has no end nor beginning, then it is unlimited, thus infinite - circle is very limited and one of main logical rules is that nothing can consist of contradictional characteristics - so, if circle is limited, it can't be unlimited. Simple as that. Say that opened curve has no beginning nor end and you get no arguments from me there.

Time

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Time

say that when your watch battery runs out

d1 wrote:

Time

I dont't want to be a pain in the ass, but even time isn't unlimited. Before Big Bang there was no time, actually. Time is directly conected with space (space-time in theory of relativity) and according to that time is dimension. And before Big Bang everything was in one point and every phisical size was infinite. There was no space (because point has no dimensions), so there was no time. "Unlimited" time you are talking about would be "absolute time", but scientists rejected that cocept completely when relativity was discovered.

WE invented time. Time is an illusion, basically.

Well, time is a bit hard to really comprehend, but I believe it is real. You have time-dilatation in relativity (time passes slower in your system if you are moving faster) so that if it has some physical properties, it would have to be real.

Time is just a dimension, its like saying length does not exits. They are not real, but under the right conditions, length, time, depth, space all can govern the movements of the universe....I think.

True, time is an illusion.
There is no such thing as time.
I guess this can be proven.

You guys are kidding me?

Time is not an illusion. It is very much real. We are going through it right here and now.

Saying that time is not absolute is another thing. Saying that our perception of time is an illusion is different.

Time is relative. Not an illusion.

Well, thank you, A. G.! At last someone who knows what he's talking about! For anyone else who would like to know more about how real time actualy is, read something about 20th-century physics.