»The brothers are too genius for the lame MWM thing«

First of all, I'd like to say that the Wachowski's aren't stupid enough to con their fans. What I mean by conning us is saying that "Zion is a Matrix" or something like that. These guys are really smart, and they know everyone could think of something like this. Considering all of the plot details that I've read through in "The Matrix", "The Matrix: Reloaded", "Enter the Matrix", and the few segments that we see in both trailers for "The Matrix: Revolutions," they're obviously developing something incredibly genius, and I haven't seen or come up with a single theory that doesn't have some sort of loophole in it, and everything that I've read from you hasn't made much sense either. Since many questions have gone unanswered in the entire Matrix series, I suspect they're going to answer them all with something huge in the next film.

On your writing:

I don't like the "black and white" idea of race that you brought into the essay- it just doesn't work. Making race an issue like that would totally kill the Wachowski's in Hollywood, and though they're very much about being for themselves and the Matrix, they're not stupid enough to do this.

I've also noticed that you've included a few wrong statements in the dialogue included in your essay. The Architect doesn't say "Please!" he says, "Please," which could mean that no, the other is not the mother, or "Please, let me continue with what I'm saying." It's a 50/50 chance, but the odds are the Oracle being the mother are high, as the way she thinks investigates the human psyche, being able to see what they are thinking and such, which would make perfect sense for her character. However, when the machines figured they didn't need her anymore, she got rebellious and decided to help the humans. Persephone as the mother? Maybe, but I have my doubts. I can understand your argument, but I don't really see how her program investigates the human psyche.

Okay, new subject:
What I don't get is how the ending of Reloaded and the Oracle/Niobe discussion work together. The plot in Enter the Matrix isn't just some stupid game, its actually meant to coincide with the movie and since everything that happens in the game (besides the exaggeration of SWATS and police) did happen, that means nothing in it is a cheat, or a figment of someone's imagination. The Oracle does say that when Neo touched the source, he separated his mind from his body, but how does this make any sense if everything that happened in the real world did happen, and in his "hell," he's seeing it all? I don't get it... it would only make sense if that happened after he killed the sentinels.

As for Neo's killing of the sentinels, I do think its because he's in a matrix, I think the movie has a lot to do with the metaphysical, and when he stopped the machines, it had to do with him being the One in both worlds, thus making him able to handle the metaphysical, kinda like Jesus, which is who he's supposed to be.

One more thing: If Zion is a Matrix, then Trinity might be the mother, with Trinity being an illusion to God's Trinity: the father, the son, and the holy ghost. But isn't Neo the son? Hm...

Well Keanu Reeves said in an interview that Neo is not meant to be Jesus Christ as such, but more of a general messiah. Comparing Neo to Jesus is misleading, if the matrix represents god then surely he would follow the matrix orders or wishes rather than try to rebel against it?

The messiah complex, which I believe, exists in every human being in many religious myths especially pagan ones.

On a side note Jesus was not the Jewish messiah as the Jews largely rejected and still do to this day. Which in many ways could be similar to Neo his the messiah to the matrix not so much to Zion

The matrix, does not represent God, I think. In my opinion it represents the antithesis of God. It is deception. It is an immitation of reality. The architect of deception is not God, but something else ( the devil, human nature etc...)

Tom wrote:

the Wachowski's aren't stupid enough to con their fans. What I mean by conning us is saying that "Zion is a Matrix" or something like that.

It all depends on HOW you say it. Imagine "Zion is fake" but with a brilliant twist behind it. Something nobody thought of before. Wouldn't that be worth it?
You write
"The brothers are too genius for the lame MWM thing".
Maybe the bothers are genius enough for a genius MWM thing then?

Using general knowledge to base your theory to resolve Reloaded is rather cheap, here in the forum everyone has been in one or two arguments, trying to prove or make better chance of our theories with facts from the movie, not the general beleif of what the writers/directors of the matrix , MAY, WOULD, MIGHT, PERHAPS, etc etc etc.
You're welcome to use evidence from the the Films, Game and the Animatrix which WE ALL do. Again I sound like a broken record, Neo is NOT jesus, get over it. If you can't even get over the fact that Neo is not Jesus then how can I even take your post seriously. I can explain over and over again connection to other mythologies however, I have given up, specially on people who just leave their mark, one post, and believe they're cool and got all the answer, specially those that revoke the idea of using facts or dialogue to prove their theory. Also, we all hope to get blow away by the resolution in Revolutions.

Peace.