»Do Not let the Matrix RUIN you !«

It comes time when u realize that all of your beliefs and all the things that you believed in one day was nothing but a huge lie that you lived inside it and believed it ...

The Matrix triology is the gate for this .. please do not let it ruin you ... Culture and Philosophy are a deadly weapon that kills anyone who walk in it ,... LIVE your life .. wish to be an important man that will do something new or add something to this life..instead of beliving that you are a Special and that the rules are not applied ON YOU

Do not trust what you dont see or what you cant feel ... do not waste your time to think about Unclear things ... you could spend your entire life searching for the truth and i asure you .. YOU WONT FIND IT .. thats why they all went mad hundred of years ago ..

DO NOT SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH .. DO NOT SEARCH ABOUT MAGIC AND STUFF...DO NOT SEARCH FOR ANY PARANORMAL IDEAS ... BE NORMAL. before it is too late and you became so lost that you start to wonder if there is a god or not and if you are alive or dreaming and you live your whole life into a big lie that you will NEVER know its end,.,

What is 'truth'? What is this 'normal' of which you speak?

Come on, buddy, none of us here believes the Matrix is real -- I think. We're not searching for the Truth or the Meaning of Life (which is 42, I believe), we're just having some fun on the board.

Archangel, I would also agree that nobody believes in actual existence of The Matrix. It is just that we like the movie so much that we cant stop just on watching it and we have to think a bit about it.
Aladdinamerican, what I’m going to say, I’m not saying to insult you but to comment what you’ve said. And I must say that your attitude is a bit idiotic. Today everybody (or at least all the “normal” people as you said, and believe me, we Matrix fans are very normal, just not mediocrities) knows that vampires, werewolves, dragons and Matrix don’t exist (or at least not yet The Matrix) – after all, Dark Ages have passed long time ago (mostly). So, we are very well aware of limitations of reality, but what does that mean? Should we give up on our humanity? Should we dismiss everything that we don’t have straight answer to at this very moment? It seems to me that you are trying to shed some scientific light on subject, but what makes a scientist is open mind. I’m not talking about being open-minded to some stupidities so don’t try to use my own words against me.
Moreover, it seems that you have something against philosophy. Firstly, philosophy is part of being human – it allows us to answer questions that science can’t or never couldn’t – questions whose answer is beyond knowledge based on rationality. As you put, we may never find the truth, but some of the answers gained through philosophy are closest to the truth they’ll ever get.
Secondly, logic itself has its roots in philosophy because logic is about valid thinking and what is philosophy about if not thinking? And as we all know, logic is very base of whole science you are so keen on. Don’t get me wrong, I also tend to be scientific persona and I’m just telling you what being that means.
Thirdly, today science goes into very nature of reality, and doesn’t that sound a bit of primarily philosophical subject to you? Today we know answers to questions whose nature used to be philosophical centuries ago – for example, questions about the elemental pieces of matter: philosophers thought it would be what we know as an atom, but guess what – we went even further than that and it is science!
To conclude, today we can deal with mysticism and “irrationality” more than ever before in history because of very fact that we KNOW what is real and what isn’t so that this poses no danger of deluding us.

First I must congratulate AladdinAmerican. Are you not the same user who used to have the LOTR all-seeing eye as his avatar? And were your posts not infuriating to decipher? I believe I was quite insulting about your grammar before I realised that you were not entirely fluent in the English language...

Anyway it seems that you have progressed in leaps and bounds and I am very impressed with this new thread you have started. - so I guess this is where I add my own 2 c e n t s (or tuppence in my case) on the subject.


I don't like the way you have a definite idea about what things you think are worthy of consideration by a rational mind. If we are to dismiss things we do not know for certain then some things like 'atoms' and 'electric fields' and 'nitrogen' come to mind as clearly unseen entities which we are expected to take for granted. I have never seen an electric field. I have never seen an atom. I don't know about other people here but it is not clear to me that there is nitrogen all around me in the air every day - I certainly never see it or experience anything upon it's presence.

Taking scientific discoveries literally is an act of faith. Creationists have shown that you can do a very good job of beating scientists at their own game by using ad hoc modifications to back up your claim. While this may seem like cheating, there are some points where there is no other way for a theory to progress other than making 'educated guesses' and trying to make the facts fit the theory. It was David Hume who noted that the most acceptable scientific discoveries will only ever be ones which describe 'uniformities' - points where the same situation produces the same observable results. When science starts trying to explain things beyond that, such as quantum physics, we may easily become sceptical and we need to use our logic to work out what to believe.

On a more important note, scientific 'facts' will never show us what is important in life. Science shows us the 'how' and not the 'why'. Philosophy and theology will be quicker to find the meaning of life than science ever shall....

Not 2 be rude or no disrespect, but i believe that people should have the right to believe in what ever the want to, real or not.

No offense to anyone here, but I don't entirely agree with the original poster.
Magic is around us every day. To say DONT BELIEVE IN MAGIC. DONT BELIEVE IN THE PARANORMAL. is to say do not have an imagination. Even the creators of the Matrix had an imagination, and quite a good one at that. Things we cannot explain happen every second of every day, and who am I or you to say these things are real or not?
I cannot see many things that I believe to be real. Doesn't mean I don't live life...although I must admit to looking for creepy crawlies in the dark just in case....As far as the Matrix or any part of it goes, I am fascinated at the very idea that it is even possible to be trapped in a mind-made world that is completely fantasy. If our lives as we know it are a fantasy in our minds, then how do you define fantasy or real or NORMAL? I almost would love to find out the Matrix is in fact real...maybe in the *real* world I wouldnt be broke LOL

Aladdiamerica wrote:

Culture and Philosophy are a deadly weapon that kills anyone who walk in it

... bang goes my career then.

Comet wrote:

Aladdiamerica wrote: Culture and Philosophy are a deadly weapon that kills anyone who walk in it ... bang goes my career then.

Ha ha, That's good one! Bravo!

So, what are you, professor, doctor, maybe still student?

College student; aspiring to be a writer.

Seriously though, I can kind of see your point. It is argued that films have direct effects on audiences.

However, this assumes that audiences are passive and automatically absorb theories/ideas presented by cinema.

...which is simply not true.


By the way, Bullet, nice thinking up there.

Thanks! I am also quite interested in philosophy.

But I don't remember sayin anything about "mindless" absorbing of movie's ideas. If I have said anything like that, I didn't mean it that way. I think that people take what movie offers but take it to make something out of it (on their own).

Bullet-timer wrote:

But I don't remember sayin anything about "mindless" absorbing of movie's ideas.

That paragraph was aimed at AladdinAmerica-person. I don't think anyone said that - apart from me.

Apparently that's the way the media thinks - you've heard/read articles where some journalist goes off on one about how video games and films are making kids more violent.
This asumes that the kids just soak up the ideas presented - which simply doesn't happen. The human brain doesn't work that way.

...so I'm told.

Comet wrote:

This asumes that the kids just soak up the ideas presented - which simply doesn't happen. The human brain doesn't work that way. ...so I'm told.

Lol! Nice one. *giggles*

Comet wrote:

That paragraph was aimed at AladdinAmerica-person. I don't think anyone said that - apart from me.

My bad. I'm so embarrassed. I think I'll retire for some time until pain passes away.

Aladdinamerican wrote:

DO NOT SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH ..

You lost me right there. Live your LIE alone.

Comet wrote:

College student; aspiring to be a writer. Seriously though, I can kind of see your point. It is argued that films have direct effects on audiences. However, this assumes that audiences are passive and automatically absorb theories/ideas presented by cinema. ...which is simply not true. By the way, Bullet, nice thinking up there.

You honestly didn't know?

thats taught in 9th grade, remember, how Plato and Aristotle jumped to the crocodiles because their philosiphy was eating them from the inside out?

YOU DIDNT? well, thats why I strive to become a writer. To kill one with ones own mind is always fun!

I'm posting this just to let you know that I'm fine now and back on my feet.

Kant wrote:

You honestly didn't know? thats taught in 9th grade, remember, how Plato and Aristotle jumped to the crocodiles because their philosiphy was eating them from the inside out? YOU DIDNT? well, thats why I strive to become a writer. To kill one with ones own mind is always fun!

... philosophy

What ages are ninth grade again? I did know, but I've forgotten.

Didn't know what?

I'm confused...

Plato and Aristotle with crocodiles? WTF?

I guess I get the point of the topic; dont get too obsessed with being a fan of things such as this, so that you drop out of your life and stop progressing in it. thus be "normal" and dedicate yourself to achieve your own goals, and create your own life.

people usually think of games and movies as fake, but why are they fake? because they arent made of atoms? I think that's kinda narrow, I think as long as it is an experience, it is real. I belive the matrix in real, in that it is a great series of movies that made me think a lot for a while, and it's worth thinking over because it communicates ideals, very much applicable to your daily life.

I dont know you all, but I try to make an experience of every movie/game/tv series I watch, and learn something from it in whatever aspect is most interesting of each fiction.

the other reason, is that somebody else made these experiences for us, but cant that be said about everything nowdays in our society? I mean....the presidential campain of the US that all the world just lived trough, was engineered, it was faked, it was an experience engineered designed to make the majority of the votants vote for bush. if you go out to a party, isnt all of that ambience engineered by other people to provide certain type of experiences for you?.

I think in all of those cases, the ambience is engineered to produce certain effect on you, and you chose wether or not to take the path that was intented, or to take something else from the experience, something that the creator never expected.

take as proof all of the unanswered things in revolutions, what everyone in this forum experienced was way out of the creator's imaginations, and it showed in the movie, philosophizing on matrix theories is as good an experience as any.

*waves hello to the fellow angel*

Wow.

Fatty, Im astounded that you didn't see the sarcasm hemoraging out of the posts ears

Kant, what the hell were you talking about up there? o.o; And for gods' sake, spell it properly - no use having a famous philosopher as a username if you can't spell 'philosophy', imho. Take some care with presentation, okay?

Kant wrote:

You honestly didn't know? thats taught in 9th grade, remember, how Plato and Aristotle jumped to the crocodiles because their philosiphy was eating them from the inside out? YOU DIDNT? well, thats why I strive to become a writer. To kill one with ones own mind is always fun!

I've gone and lost my copy of Sophie's World: which one was Kant?
Fatpie42, can you help me out on this?

*hums the Philospher's Song as she tries to make sense of all the above nonsense*

*burp*

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Apparently that's the way the media thinks - you've heard/read articles where some journalist goes off on one about how video games and films are making kids more violent. This asumes that the kids just soak up the ideas presented - which simply doesn't happen. The human brain doesn't work that way. ...so I'm told.

Actually i don't really agree with that, though I do agree with pretty much everything else in this thread except the first post. Children's minds can be poisoned by violence on a screen--and think about it, the best part of life is when you're a child. Violence destroys what's best in a child. To think that you can show someone's head being chopped off to a small child and expect it not to affect them is labeling yourself a fool.

Children are just developing socialibility and behaviors; you really can't expect a child to realy develop his/her own ideas or sift through material to determine what he/she believes in until the person reaches at least adolescence.

A child's job is to observe others, and ape them. If you show a child violence, even if he/she does not understand it, guess what would happen.

I forgive you for your lack of a well-thought out answer, as long as you apologize immediately and admit I'm right.

lol as for the topic itself, that paragraph (? or is it?) has to be one of the most maddeningly idiotic things i've seen in at least a while. there's really nothing more i can say on the matter than what everyone above me already said-- and that creative anything is really only a medium to express a message. that's about all i can decipher from the paragraph--

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DO NOT SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH ..

funny, and i thought that it's human nature to search for truth...

or maybe this thread was just a joke... in which case, i applaud Aladdinamerican, and wish he could get a life... no seriously, if that's a joke it's in very good humor.

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What ages are ninth grade again? I did know, but I've forgotten.

It's 14, i no cause i'm in ninth grade myself. don't blame me if my writing is unintelligible or i make flagrant gramatic/spelling mistakes.