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ok maybe someone has posted this before or maybe this is not the right forum to post this... but anyway here i go:

Has anyone of you seen the movie I,Robot?
for those of you who have seen it: don´t you FEEL this movie is like a prequel of matrix trilogy?
is a coincidence that in I,Robot Will Smith is the "hero" ?
(Will Smith turned down to be Neo in matrix trilogy)

i went to see it yesterday and once the movie was over i was convinced that the movie is a prequel... i´m not saying that is a FACT that I,Robot IS A PREQUEL i´m just saying that... IT COULD BE A PREQUEL...

there are a lot of hints and stuff in the movie that made me think of this...like these ones:

1.-Humans celebrate the creation of a robot (the NS-5) a robot with an AI so advanced that it can evolve and think by itself...just like the robot B1-66ER in animatrix...

2.-In I,Robot the first NS-5 created murders his owner or creator...again just like B1-66ER that murders his owner...

3.-in I,Robot there is this super-evolved robot VIKI who has evolved and concludes that humans can not protect against themselves...so it begins a "transition" so Robots can rule over Humans...and "protect" humans...

4.-The look of the city in I,Robot looks almost exactly like the city in The 2nd renaissance pt 1...

5.-the look of the robots in I,Robot are basically the same that in The 2nd Renaissance pt 1 & 2...

Point 1 and 2 did not exactly happened like that in animatrix i´m just putting it as an example,ok?

ok then...i guess that´s it basically... i´d like to hear what you guys think of this...if i find more coincidences i will come back to post them...bye for now...

I knew there was a reason my Matrix Alert(TM) was beeping through most of the movie... kickass film, though, wasn't it? A crossover could indeed be worked out...

Ack, bad plotbunny! Bad!

jimbo_rosso wrote:

ok maybe someone has posted this before or maybe this is not the right forum to post this... but anyway here i go: Has anyone of you seen the movie I,Robot? for those of you who have seen it: don´t you FEEL this movie is like a prequel of matrix trilogy? is a coincidence that in I,Robot Will Smith is the "hero" ? (Will Smith turned down to be Neo in matrix trilogy) i went to see it yesterday and once the movie was over i was convinced that the movie is a prequel... i´m not saying that is a FACT that I,Robot IS A PREQUEL i´m just saying that... IT COULD BE A PREQUEL... there are a lot of hints and stuff in the movie that made me think of this...like these ones: 1.-Humans celebrate the creation of a robot (the NS-5) a robot with an AI so advanced that it can evolve and think by itself...just like the robot B1-66ER in animatrix... 2.-In I,Robot the first NS-5 created murders his owner or creator...again just like B1-66ER that murders his owner... 3.-in I,Robot there is this super-evolved robot VIKI who has evolved and concludes that humans can not protect against themselves...so it begins a "transition" so Robots can rule over Humans...and "protect" humans... 4.-The look of the city in I,Robot looks almost exactly like the city in The 2nd renaissance pt 1... 5.-the look of the robots in I,Robot are basically the same that in The 2nd Renaissance pt 1 & 2... Point 1 and 2 did not exactly happened like that in animatrix i´m just putting it as an example,ok? ok then...i guess that´s it basically... i´d like to hear what you guys think of this...if i find more coincidences i will come back to post them...bye for now...

well, the film is probably based on the asimov novel of the same name, which was published long before i or possibly even the wachowskis were born. it is therefore highly likely that the novel served as an influence to the w bros when they scripted the matrix films. i'm not sure that i, robot qualifies as a prequel because of its probable influence upon the matrix trilogy, but the resonances are certainly undeniable.

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Exactly dedalus. Issac Asimov did write I, Robot possibly long before The Bros. were born. And I also do not think that I, Robot could be considered a prequel to the MAtrix trilogy, and I can honestly say that most people think that it can be only because its machines vs. humans. If you read the book, the basic idea is far more different. The NS-5s were actually built to break the laws.

And in advance, do not argue this fact with the movie. The book describes a LOT more than the movie does.

jimbo_rosso wrote:

ok maybe someone has posted this before or maybe this is not the right forum to post this... but anyway here i go: Has anyone of you seen the movie I,Robot? for those of you who have seen it: don´t you FEEL this movie is like a prequel of matrix trilogy? is a coincidence that in I,Robot Will Smith is the "hero" ? (Will Smith turned down to be Neo in matrix trilogy) i went to see it yesterday and once the movie was over i was convinced that the movie is a prequel... i´m not saying that is a FACT that I,Robot IS A PREQUEL i´m just saying that... IT COULD BE A PREQUEL... there are a lot of hints and stuff in the movie that made me think of this...like these ones: 1.-Humans celebrate the creation of a robot (the NS-5) a robot with an AI so advanced that it can evolve and think by itself...just like the robot B1-66ER in animatrix... 2.-In I,Robot the first NS-5 created murders his owner or creator...again just like B1-66ER that murders his owner... 3.-in I,Robot there is this super-evolved robot VIKI who has evolved and concludes that humans can not protect against themselves...so it begins a "transition" so Robots can rule over Humans...and "protect" humans... 4.-The look of the city in I,Robot looks almost exactly like the city in The 2nd renaissance pt 1... 5.-the look of the robots in I,Robot are basically the same that in The 2nd Renaissance pt 1 & 2... Point 1 and 2 did not exactly happened like that in animatrix i´m just putting it as an example,ok? ok then...i guess that´s it basically... i´d like to hear what you guys think of this...if i find more coincidences i will come back to post them...bye for now...

Excuse me but .. im a programer and wish to be an advanced programer for IA machines someday , so let me clear it alittle bit for you guys
The Matrix,Terminator,IRobot or any movies you will watch someday in the future are all based on a scientific facts that scientist seeing it coming , The AI is already exists and are being develpoed but still under control ...someday and i mean really Someday in our reality things will be out of control...in Movies like these they try to Imagine how the IMAGE could be look like when this happen.

so please ... dont mix things with each others , its like these movies that r talking about a falling rocks from the sky that will destroy the mankind and things like that.
P.S.
AI will be a SELF AWARE by us...humans , we will make them a SELF AWARE machines to help us in solving problems,and when we be a threate to them something will hapen as a start like a Robot killing his own master.

Aladdinamerican wrote:

Excuse me but .. im a programer and wish to be an advanced programer for IA machines someday , so let me clear it alittle bit for you guys The Matrix,Terminator,IRobot or any movies you will watch someday in the future are all based on a scientific facts that scientist seeing it coming , The AI is already exists and are being develpoed but still under control ...someday and i mean really Someday in our reality things will be out of control...in Movies like these they try to Imagine how the IMAGE could be look like when this happen. so please ... dont mix things with each others , its like these movies that r talking about a falling rocks from the sky that will destroy the mankind and things like that. P.S. AI will be a SELF AWARE by us...humans , we will make them a SELF AWARE machines to help us in solving problems,and when we be a threate to them something will hapen as a start like a Robot killing his own master.

But how do you know that, How do u know that the robots or AI we create will not turn on there masters. Maybe theses movies are an indercation of our future.

[/quote]But how do you know that, How do u know that the robots or AI we create will not turn on there masters. Maybe theses movies are an indercation of our future. [/quote]

The development of the AI now days is amazing , in NASA for example . they no longer program the space ship for a pre-made steps , they just program all the facts and the causes it might happen and let it go up there by its self .. and do the best IT SEES ,and when it finishs it contact them down here with the results .. and this is not a SCI-FI movie guys .. its really happening..

Let me put it in a very simple words ... AI machines NOW DAYS are just like a BABY , you know .. when you bring that 9 months old baby who doesnt know anything ,AI is just like this .. you bring a flame and put it right beside the kid ... you catch the baby's hand and put it right in the flame (pre-programing) he will feel the heat ( the AI machine will record the FACT) and then the baby will take his hand back right away even without ur HELP (the AI machine creat the best solution for the problem or the fact by its self..based on the given facts)...

and then the last step is .. the baby will NEVER put his hand in the flame again ( the AI machine will always remember the record and the right solution for further missions)

and this happens in each single operation .. so when you design an AI computer/machine/robot and keep teaching him everything step by step he record everything as the baby do .. and when the AI gather all the needed facts it WILL BE ready to take self control . not nessecary to b a control over the mankind but at least we will ask for help from Machines . and NASA wont need to create a plan for the spaceship any longer..they will simply ask the AI machine for the best plan from what it sees the BEST from all the previous mission it learn from b4

and thats it the AI in few words .. so what we know is ..Someday the AI will be smarter than the human being and more handy ... but no one can tell if it will take over us or not .. and in movies like the matrix (beside its very deep philosophical meaning of course) and Terminator/ I,Robot , Directors are warning the people about to stop develping the AI for it might happen .. who knows..maybe a new Terror will appear by using the AI as self-confidence weapon that destroy everything it sees , and if this happen we wont be facing a random machine-gun shooting ...but a machine that think how/when and where to shoot and how to run and hide...we will be fighting something more smarter than the humans and nowdays computers with AGES.

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when you bring that 9 months old baby who doesnt know anything ,AI is just like this .. you bring a flame and put it right beside the kid ... you catch the baby's hand and put it right in the flame (pre-programing) he will feel the heat ( the AI machine will record the FACT) and then the baby will take his hand back right away even without ur HELP (the AI machine creat the best solution for the problem or the fact by its self..based on the given facts)... and then the last step is .. the baby will NEVER put his hand in the flame again ( the AI machine will always remember the record and the right solution for further missions) and this happens in each single operation .. so when you design an AI computer/machine/robot and keep teaching him everything step by step he record everything as the baby do .. and when the AI gather all the needed facts it WILL BE ready to take self control . not nessecary to b a control over the mankind but at least we will ask for help from Machines . and NASA wont need to create a plan for the spaceship any longer..they will simply ask the AI machine for the best plan from what it sees the BEST from all the previous mission it learn from b4

This is conditioning, not intelligence. Intelligence presupposes creativity.

[/quote]This is conditioning, not intelligence. Intelligence presupposes creativity.[/quote]

Dear friend .. if you paied enough attention to what im saying ... Intelligence starts by the baby steps , If you call your self an intelligent person and able to be creative then its only becoz you have learnd alot of Facts and Info since you were a little kid and you used them all together when you become ready..Thank you very much

No. Wrong. [I like this quote]

Dolphins are very creative animals from the start. Trial and error procedures are executed by organic creatures before they learn anything - it is the first step of the learning process. Synthetic creatures have yet to mimic that feat - as you yourself said, it is YOU that puts the baby's hand, metaphorically speaking, into the flame. In reality, the initiative is on the side of the baby. That's intelligence - how stupid it may seem
Thus, creativity does not stem solely from the cumulation of learned facts, it is only enriched by it.

Plus, there is no need for you to speak in that ironic tone, much less so since you obviously are not really a master of the English tongue. Neither am I, but it isn't my first language.

Last, I do not even know you, so I am not your friend, darling.

First , I used MY FRIEND as only an experition and didnt mean it.
second , i didnt talk in anyway i was just clearing my point and didnt mean to attack.
third , I only wrote what the whole AI technology is about and this isnt my own words but i still believe in it of course and it wasnt pointed to you in person its for the sake of knowledge and you are free to read more about it on the net but if you still disagree then i respect your opinion of course but you will be disagree with the Whole current AI technology not only me :s

you say creativity is not based on facts right ? okay ... if you want to draw a pic , will you draw one without knowing the colors ? you learn first how to hold a pen , you learn that this called GREEN and this one called RED and together they develope the color X (which i dont know lol) , and then you learn (even by a self experience) that you have to use the pen from this side to write... with all these facts that you learn even by the self (as ahuman or animal) you will be ready to draw a pic or even show your creativity , but you cant be creative while you dont know what color is the TREE !

its a little bit different from the HUMAN/Animal to the machine ... becoz of the brain and its nervs ,which something will be exist only in Robots as Bodies not brain , and it wont be in the next 50 years at least as a whole AI nervs system ... but machines cannot learn these facts by its self even if its an AI , becoz simply they are a bunch of PROGRAMS cant see , you bring things right to them , on contrary the human/animal go toward the something ...and this is the difference in the begening between the humans/animals and the AI machines/programs

but after that you can imagine how it can be.

4 , im not your friend !

hey, i didn't mean to be rude either.

i respect your point of view like you respect mine, and i think you brought up some very interesting issues. i just felt like commenting on what you termed artificial intelligence and what IMHO did not (yet) qualify as such. nevertheless, these are issues worth keeping in mind.

so: peace

Aladdinamerican wrote:

you say creativity is not based on facts right ? okay ... if you want to draw a pic , will you draw one without knowing the colors ? you learn first how to hold a pen , you learn that this called GREEN and this one called RED and together they develope the color X (which i dont know lol) , and then you learn (even by a self experience) that you have to use the pen from this side to write... with all these facts that you learn even by the self (as ahuman or animal) you will be ready to draw a pic or even show your creativity , but you cant be creative while you dont know what color is the TREE !

you can draw a picture without knowing the colors, and without the primary colors, and you can draw a picture without even being able to see the colors, and you can draw blind. an infant can draw or paint, though they lack skill and may only be scribbling lines on a paper, though how many paintings have you seen that are only a few marks on a canvas and are considered 'art'? you can draw a tree the way you see it, or be creative or imaginative and draw it the way you want to, maybe with a pink trunk and purple leaves with an elephant in the branches. when i was in kindergarten i started to color an elephant red, i know elephants aren't red, but i saw a toy elephant that was red. all the other kids were saying there were no red elephants. kids color and draw, is that not being creative?

what you are talking about is the development of 'skill' and the knowledge of one's medium, not creativity.

Creativity comes after you know the basics , if not then how can you know if what you have drawn is a creativity work or a normal painting.

For the AI , Humans=The GOD , Machines=Humans

and as i said before..in the ancient huamns they could DISCOVER by thier self the basics , but MAchines cant so we have to teach them.

I believe there is a big misunderstanding here , your PERSON who painted the Elephant in red is in a very late period of time , who is smart enough to be a creative person , dont compare the begening of the AI with this person ..instead,compare your person with the Very ancient humans who were living in the caves and dont know what is the use of the fire