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In Reloaded when Smith is approaching it shows Morpheus and the computer guy. Morpheus sees the code and says 'Smith'....Yet the computer guy totaly contradicts his statements by saying 'Whoever it is, he's not reading like an Agent'....This has to be a flaw! Surely Morpheus could only recognize Smith's code like he used to read it (as an agent), so how can Morpheus recognize Smith's new code? Correct me if I'm wrong. And don't be mean about this if I'm wrong. Some people in here are VERY stuck up.

EDITed

Yes that doesn't make any sense.

Morpheus simply guesses. Since Smith appears wherever Neo goes, he makes a guess. Who said Morpheus can read code?

M1 does. Morpheus is reading the code while he helps Neo escape his office building.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

M1 does. Morpheus is reading the code while he helps Neo escape his office building.

Don't see that. It's Tank who's reading it and Morpheus just standing there watching. The operators are "non-plugged" and "woman-born".

Could be Tank too I guess.

Smith still looks like smith, talks like smith, reads like smith. There is just one little difference, the difference that he is not "reading like an agent". Might be a difference of three or four parameters, who knows? The rest of him is still Smith. I don't see any mistake here.

BigMista wrote:

In Reloaded when Smith is approaching it shows Morpheus and the computer guy.

The computer guy?
Surely his name is fairly obvious by that point..? Especially for rabid Zelda fans such as myself.

I agree with Exile.

I just have to say, I really like Exile's answer. i agree completely.

Don't they have "image translators" that allow them to decode the matrix and give them a physical picture of what's going on. I know that Morpheus, Link, and Trinity are looking at the matrix encrypted, but maybe what the image translators showed was different from the encryption.

Cypher wrote:

The image translator work for the construct program. But there's way too much information to decode the Matrix

You are all missing the point, by Link stating "whoever he is" implies that he doesn't know who Smith is. So therefore the inconsistency lies in the second part of his comment to Morphenus where he says, "he's not reading like an agent." Well Link, who the fu*k ever said anything about him being an agent? (Concur with original post)

There is a simpler explanation.

Morpheus whispers "smith", Link might not have heard him fully

Either that or Link simply isn't listening to what morpheus is saying. Well he does go on

and that still works along side Exile's answer

Comet wrote:

The computer guy? Surely his name is fairly obvious by that point..? Especially for rabid Zelda fans such as myself.

Link must have heard Morpheus say "Smith", why else would he just randomly say what he said? I can't imagine him just sitting at the screen watching, hear nobody say anything, then just say out loud...."whoever blah blah blah"

Smith is known as an agent, that is why Link says, "whoever he is, he's not reading like an agent."

So here's my theory:

Morpheus sounds confused when he says "Smith" because they know that Neo destroyed him in M1 and don't understand why/how he is back.
Link hears Morpheus and responds with "he's not reading like an agent" because they associate Smith with agent and he no longer reads like an agent. They do not yet know that he has been unplugged as a result of what happened in M1.

But there is still something that I don't understand....earlier in Reloaded after the captains meeting and Morpheus and Trinity exit the Matrix and are back on their ship they talk to Link to see where Neo is and what happened.
Link says to them, "I can't figure it out, sir. Agents just came out of nowhere. And then the code got all weird. Encryption I've never seen."
I assume he is talking about Smith when he shows up at the end of the fight. Why didn't he recognize that same code when Smith approaches Neo after speaking with the Oracle? Why didn't he say something like, "that's the same code as before!" or something along those lines? Instead of what he did say.

At the point where he says "encryption like I've never seen" he doesn't know that it resembles Smith's code. Don't forget that Link has never met smith.

Morpheus obviously can read code but doesn't do it as often as the operators do. Cypher could read code, but he wasn't an operator. So here the whole thing seems wrapped us as follows.

Link sees the encryption change. Thinks it is weird. Doesn't see any similarity to Smith since he has never seen Smith (agent OR code). Morpheus doesn't see the code go 'all weird', but he HAS seen Smith's code (when Neo and Smith fought in M1). At this point in M3 he enquires after Neo to which Link replies that there is no problem, excalaiming "you should have seen him!".

Later on when Smith appears to Neo, Morpheus exclaims in a surprised whisper: "Smith?". He recognises the code resembling Smith. Link, on the other hand has never seen Smith and most likely wouldn't know what to look for even if he had heard stories about our favourite agent. What he can tell us tho is that this unrecognised program in the matrix is not reading like an agent.

Ta-daaa! All solved.

allone wrote:

...Link says to them, "I can't figure it out, sir. Agents just came out of nowhere. And then the code got all weird. Encryption I've never seen." I assume he is talking about Smith when he shows up at the end of the fight. Why didn't he recognize that same code when Smith approaches Neo after speaking with the Oracle?

Perhaps the number of Smiths is relevant .

But this first comment may not refer to smith at all. Looking at the events

"Agents came out of nowhere"
"Then the code got all wierd"

This could be about the time Neo does his "Hmm, Upgrades" line.

Upgraded agents might be appear normal in code form until they do the thing that was upgraded - ie fighting.

"Encryption I've never seen"

Well if you upgraded your agents to better deal with a threat like Neo, a threat that can influence the very code of the Matrix, one of the things you'd improve would be encryption.

So to conclude;

Upgraded agents read like agents, but the code goes wierd when they fight
Smith doesn't read like and agent, but morpheus knows him anyway.

Just a thought

Fatpie42 wrote:

Don't forget that Link has never met smith.

Link has been operating for fourteen years. It's perfectly possible he has seen Smith; albiet never in the 'flesh', if you can call it that.

He would also have knowledge of Agent codes, thus allowing him to know when 'whoever he is' is not reading like an Agent.

By M2::
- Smith is no longer "an Agent of this System"
- Therefore, his code will have changed a little
- Agents must have a unique string which makes them Agents, therefore Link can recognise them as Agents.

I think Smith's appearance threw them all, as they thought Neo had destroyed him.

Morpheus recognises the 'Smith' bit of the code.

Link adds that the Agent string has gone missing - not reading like an Agent. 'Whoever he is' could be showing his confusion at the rogue code.

Just some thoughts.

It looks like my question has several different answers. For now, I'm going to say that Comet has the most polished answer....

"Things are going to start happening to me now"

ugh...it's like when you are with a friend, you both see a stranger who you think is a friend you both knew ages ago, and now looks changed.

you mays say hey, look! it's *whoever* but that doesnt mean that your friend will be convinced so easily, in his oppinion he might kinda remind him of *whoever*, but he might be a bit too different for your firend to be sure it really is *whoever*, so he just says...well that guy sure is big.

I think that was what happened there, morpheus saw the code, and recognized certain characterisitics about smith, has a hunch and then bluntly said smith, Link has a more cautious mindset and says "whoever he is, he is not reading like an agent", not denying what morph said, but stating what IS definitively true, whitout going into speculations and hunches.

Can't they see a visual of what is happening in the matrix along with the code like they did on their ship when Morpheus was fighting Neo?

phantomprowler wrote:

Can't they see a visual of what is happening in the matrix along with the code like they did on their ship when Morpheus was fighting Neo?

Cypher: The image translators work for the Construct program. But there's way to much information to decode the Matrix

So seemingly not. It'd take to long to decode and show the data. The training programs would seem to be in straightforward code; the Matrix is encrypted, encoded, ciphered, whatever.

If the matrix is so encoded then how are they able to read anything at all? Are they only able to decode part of it?

I assume they decode it as they go along - they'll know what the symbols represent.

A bit like reading French - you translate it into English as you go.

Cypher goes on: You get used to it - I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...

smith, most common name...shall we keep up with the joneses? smith could very well be the common slang term used for all agents.

Or, and this is a silly one...

M1:
Morpheus: Oh God...
Smith: Smith will suffice.

Therefore, Morpheus could have said 'Smith' when he meant to say 'God', due to extreme trauma from that earlier incident.

>)

EDIT:
REDUNDANT! I've just realised this is the Bane bit.

My bad...