»Proof that the end of M1 is not the end of M3«

Remember that old theory saying that Neo's speech at the end of Matrix 1 was actually happening at the end of Revolutions ?

Well, you can forget it because here is the proof that it is not possible : on the following pic, we see Neo hanging up the phone on one of the Architecte's screen (3rd screen left at the level of the Architecte's head).

matrix-explained.com...

One theory, down, one ! Bring them on !

the screens dont just show things from the past,
they also show trinity falling and neo stopping the sentinels
so you cant prove that the screen where neo hangs up the fone is before neo visits the architect

first good pic "Apocryphe" , although i didnt believe in this theory for more stronger clues...

and for Agent_smith , the TVs in the Arc. room only showed the past,present and the future till ONLY the spot of time that NEO will have to chose wether to save Trinity or to save Zion , the ARC, couldnt see beyond the choice of saving trinity thats why he couldnt predect in his TVs from what is coming ahead in the Future if Neo chosed to save Trin.

But anyway this pic "Apocryphe" also prove that it happend in the past not the future based on what i've just said..

another thing ...this phone call (as his theory) is after the peace deal...notice NEO's threating tone and how he is threating the system ...cant be.

Thanks Aladdinamerican ,

I'd add more arguments for agent_smith89 : Architecte's screens were not showing the futur, but Neo's unconscious reactions.
He said alost that Neo could not save Trinity (she had a bullet in her heart) but he could not predict that Neo would bring her back to life (so much for the futur teller). As the Oracle explained very well, he cannot see very far in the futur, he can just forecast events within very closed parameters (like the fall of Trinity).

So you see, that theory is definitly dead.

Apocryphe wrote:

Thanks Aladdinamerican ,

Your most welcome

Apocryphe wrote:

I'd add more arguments for agent_smith89 : Architecte's screens were not showing the futur, but Neo's unconscious reactions.

it shows also the possible choices neo could take , but becoz they (the machines) dont understand LOVE and human's emotions , he couldnt understand what CHOICE neo would take..to save Trin..or to save Zion...therfore he couldnt see beyond that...he couldnt predict the possible choices

Apocryphe wrote:

So you see, that theory is definitly dead.

VERY DEAD

guess who wrote the 2nd and 3rd matrix movies.
and it is not the wachowskis.

WHO?

I think it was Bigfoot.

seeing the future is(i think) the purpoise of Architect.I think,(I) that he was compiled to observe the consequenses of the erroreus eqations. (sorry for spelling)

Anyway,architect is like an arc-agent ( arc-itect/arc-agent) :purpoise to observe the glitches and fix them (Animatrix : Beyond)

Morpheus. wrote:

seeing the future is(i think) the purpoise of Architect.I think,(I) that he was compiled to observe the consequenses of the erroreus eqations. (sorry for spelling)

No, that's the purpose of the oracle.

I just watched the screens of the Architect very very very closely and there seems to be NO screen showing Neo stopping the sentinels. If there was the whole discussion about Zion being a 2nd Matrix would have to end since this would be the definate proof for this theory. How could the Architect have a screen of Neo stopping sentinels in the "real" world if he couldn't control it, hence it wouldn't be the "real" world? if there is such a screen please post a screen shot to prove it

Apocryphe wrote:

Remember that old theory saying that Neo's speech at the end of Matrix 1 was actually happening at the end of Revolutions ? Well, you can forget it because here is the proof that it is not possible : on the following pic, we see Neo hanging up the phone on one of the Architecte's screen (3rd screen left at the level of the Architecte's head). matrix-explained.com... One theory, down, one ! Bring them on !

Yes, indeed it id dead, but not only for your argument on the screen, but a REAL FACT indeed:
If anyone has seen the animatrix, specificaly the "beyond" episode, and obviously the matrix 1, then you can gather some info in there. See, at the begining of M1, there is shown some numbers, in which some are dates, actual dates of the actual time in which it is shown. Well, the date that it's shown is 2-19-98 (with the time also, yes jjaj). Then, at the end of the movie, when Neo begings his conversation with the machines, there is also shown those numbers, just this time the date is obviously after that; the following is the date: 9-18-99, more than one and a half years after. Now, the important thing here, is that in "beyond", we can also see those numbers at the end of the episode, and they are: 2-2-03. This is 4 years after that! Which gives us the fact that the first movie cannot be after the end of M3.

Those numbers were just birthday dates from relatives of the Wachowski brothers.

Not everything they put in are facts or serious symbolisations. They are jokers too you know

Maybe "beyond" was somewhere in the beginning of some new cycle, showing us the first symptons of what the 1%-rejection can cause within the Matrix. With this I assume that a cycle takes about 100 years. So the '03' could have mean '1903' while the Prophecy takes place in '99' which is '1999'.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Those numbers were just birthday dates from relatives of the Wachowski brothers. Not everything they put in are facts or serious symbolisations. They are jokers too you know Maybe "beyond" was somewhere in the beginning of some new cycle, showing us the first symptons of what the 1%-rejection can cause within the Matrix. With this I assume that a cycle takes about 100 years. So the '03' could have mean '1903' while the Prophecy takes place in '99' which is '1999'.

Do you know for sure that they are just jokes and birth dates? Or is it a supposition of yours?

I am sure about the birthdays.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I am sure about the birthdays.

And how would you know that?

It was on one of those many special discs.

I am not 100% sure, but I think it is the 10-disc-box.

What I am 100% sure of is that I heard them speak of it for a fact on one of the offical special DVDs.

And if you don't believe me, do some viewing yourself

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

It was on one of those many special discs. I am not 100% sure, but I think it is the 10-disc-box. What I am 100% sure of is that I heard them speak of it for a fact on one of the offical special DVDs. And if you don't believe me, do some viewing yourself

Ok, thanx, just wanted to know where you got that info from. I don't have them(the dvd's), and don't need to see them, I believe you Mobile.

My Brother just got me that Matrix 10 disc set for christmas,

I'm gonna have too watch the whole dang thing to see what you are talking about mobile_Ave, about the dates being birthdates,

When I was watching matrix Revisted I Noticed one of the Bros. was wearing earings, and something about his lips look like he always wears lipstick or something.

A closed mind would say he's weird.

A freed mind wouldn't mind

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

A closed mind would say he's weird. A freed mind wouldn't mind

That doesnt always apply ...I have a freed mind and I think you're weird.
Fancy you of all people talking about an open/freed mind.
Is that why you send posts from free thinkers into the "retard" section?
Keep sleeping mental midget.
I think your way of thinking is a little bit retarded !
I thought at least this year you'd reform !

Oh come on....thinking that Trinity is send out to kill Neo. That is not free thinking, that's insane thinking.

You lamers make the forum unattractive.

And the uttering of your frustrations towards me exactly proofs the low boundaries of your mind to us.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Oh come on....thinking that Trinity is send out to kill Neo. That is not free thinking, that's insane thinking. You lamers make the forum unattractive. And the uttering of your frustrations towards me exactly proofs the low boundaries of your mind to us.

Yes I'm frustrated by people with closed minds.
You're just too lame to explore the possibilities.
Have you heard of reading between the lines?
All I raised was a possibility, and I'm following the script
so I'm not plucking ideas from thin air.
Just think about it - Morpheus was the only one who really believed in Neo - so it's quite possible and consistent with the story line and script at the start.
Free your mind and open your eyes, isnt that after all what Matrix is about?
You've just shown your arrogance.

I read your topic about Trinity, and how shes out too kill Neo.

I also thought it was the Stupidest thing I have ever Read.

Mobil_Ave is right, thats just INSANE!

loudbark wrote:

I read your topic about Trinity, and how shes out too kill Neo. I also thought it was the Stupidest thing I have ever Read. Mobil_Ave is right, thats just INSANE!

Why ? Please use logic and script as I have.
I'm happy to be proven wrong.
All I'm saying it's a possibility. Please prove this possibility wrong.
The only sure thing is Mobil Ave's arrogance.
I dont mind holding a minority view, I'll happily be counted for example among the few that pull out of the stock market before a crash.