»Cookies and Candies ?«

notice in the elevator..when neo and Mor. were going to her for the very first time...the Elevator button she pressed...if would be number 7 if we started from doing going up..and it would be number 12 if we followed the tradinional Elevator button system....the button under it is kinda different in color.. a Golden one...

There r also litters craved on the Elevator wooden wall ..i think they were K , Y and M ...

Notice the Symboles that were painted on the walls right after they went out from the Elevator..written in somekind of a language ..and the strange things is ... beside the door of the oracles..on both sides there are these painting...in M2 when Neo went to her at the begening of the Move and opend the door..there were a different symboles when she wasnt there...maybe somekind of protections or shield has been removed ? dunno

in M1 too...notice the BOOK's name that Japanis kid or whatever was reading..any one know what does it means ? and that movie was in the TC right behind the 2 little girls...huge rabbits running in the streets ?

In M1 , Neo met the Oracle only one time...she was making Cockies and she did smoke..no candies...she offered him a Cocki and he took it.

in M2 , Neo met the Oracle for only one time too..there was only Candies...she offered him Candies and he took it.

in M3 , Neo met the Oracle for only one time...there was Coffe/Cigerits ...she offered him a Candy but he refused for the first time to refuse something the Oracle offers...which surprised her..as it seems that he was taking a full control...

but the Question is ... the Matrix taught us there is a purpose from everything was showen in the movie...what is the relations between the Oracles and these candies/Cockies stuff ? beside the Emotional thing,, what it could add to the understanding of the Oracle/Matirx and choices ? was it a way to test neo's power of choice ?

I wont say anything about it as im still thinking about it...plz post ur comments about it...

I had just a quick glance at your post, I just thought I'd comment on the first thing I saw

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There r also litters craved on the Elevator wooden wall ..i think they were K , Y and M ...

I believe that this graphitti was put in because it is the name of the costume designer.

I'll make another post later concerning the other things.

Thats it ?

Yes, Aladdin for the first time I agree with your theory (not to be taken negatively at all)!

Both times that he took it he questioned the Oracle because he did not believe. The third time, throughout their entire meeting, he seemed to have "full control".

Neo: I think it's time I knew a few more things. (Paraphrased quote; don't have the DVD next to me now.)

I think that's when she realized it was time for Neo to learn the rest of his path.

And the third time he went to see the Oracle, it was HIS choice to go to her, not Morpheus'. I think that was another indicator to her it was time for him to know more.

Exactly..this is what i meant..but i still feel that there is a big secret behind these Cockies and Candies...beside that confident thing that we both agree on !

but i still agree.

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Cockies

Cookies?

The cookies and candy are used to represent the oracle to the audience as a kind mother figure. Its an early clue to the role of her in the film as the 'mother of the matrix'. She is a program that helps to control the people, but she is benevolent and has love for the people. Just the same way a mother keeps her children under control, she does it because she loves them and doesn’t want them to come to harm.

Yaldaboath wrote:

The cookies and candy are used to represent the oracle to the audience as a kind mother figure.

I'd appriciate reading my posts carefuly b4 replying ..

" what is the relations between the Oracles and these candies/Cockies stuff ? beside the Emotional thing,, what it could add to the understanding of the Oracle/Matirx and choices ? "

Thanx.

Well, I'd really "appriciate" it if you proof read your posts before you posted them.
You obviously don’t understand your own question.
What I said is the relationship between them.

i said BESIDE the emotional thing../// which is beside making the Oracle the caring guiding mother !

I really dont like to explain the same thing twice !

heh

I watched Reloaded again, and I noticed something else to add to aladdinamerica's post. It has been mentioned that the Oracle is an intuative program. Where does she get her intuitiveness from? I think it is from the cookies and candies and other things. She understand the whole nature of "programs hacking programs." She shows this when she sends Neo and co. to the Merovingian's restaurant. She tells them to be there at an exact time. How does she know they must be there at that time? Does she really see the future? The architect thinks not.

What I think she does, understand the role of people and programs and then puts them in situations that are based on cause and effect, which also appears like free will to an outside observer. I postulate, and only postulate, that she was the one who manipulated the beautiful woman to be at the restaurant before Neo and company arrived to stir an emotion in the Merovingian, causing him to create the spanish fly cake that would lead both to the bathroom causing Persiphone to be jelous to the point of betraying her husband.

The Oracle and the Merovingian seem to be of the same mind, it is only the Oracle who is more intuative, for she uses her gifts to study and understand, where Merv uses his only to manipulate emotions.

So what is the key to the cookies and candies? Your guess is as good as mine. I think it is another form of control, albeit a mild form, that allows a person or machine to have the illusion of making free choice while moving them in a predetermined path. And has been noted, when Neo finally refuses these candy coated tricks, he shows he is ready to make choices of his own.

What he does in Revolutions is totally his own choice and mind. No one, not Morpheous, not Trinity, not the councel, not the Oracle, no one tells him what to do. He makes his choice based on conversations he has had with all the characters he meets in and out of the matrix and decides to make peace. His ultimate sacrifice of offering his life for the lives of others only comes through the Oracle's manipulation of Smith.

I will try to articulate the best I can with what I understand and view about this...

red or blue pill? cookie or candy? the pills were the simple equation, 00 or 01, Y or N. Cookie was No, as in you are not the "one". Candy was a reward for Yes, you are the "one". The pills were a choice governed by the unknown question. The cookie was NOT a choice based on a question, but offered as a seed of doubt which instinctively seeks validation. As the "one" becomes selfaware, the candy validates the red pill. Another point; the cookies were manufactured BY the Oracle, (thus representing her own white lie about Neo not being the "one".) The candy was there, prefabricated if you will, not made by the Oracle, as is the One always was the "one". In M3, the Oracle implies she is "going to miss it" (smell of the cookies she baked. The choices have run out at this time...no more cookies until the end gambit had been played out.

It is a sub-level of symbolisim that is used to further enforce the importance of choice that BOTH man and machine have? Let me know...

I think the whole cookies and candy thing added a more human flavor to the Oracle even though she wasn't human. It also was a little echo of the whole choice aspect of the movie. Neo didn't take candy in M3, a foreshadow perhaps?

[quote="Aladdinamerican"]in M1 too...notice the BOOK's name that Japanis kid or whatever was reading..any one know what does it means ? and that movie was in the TC right behind the 2 little girls...huge rabbits running in the streets ?quote]

someone explain the giant rabbits

the giant rabbits could be taken as another Alice in wonderland kind of thing, or it could be a sort of funny joke for those who even see it. It is a real movie though.

Night of the Lepus

A movie made about giant killer bunny rabbits.

Don't forget the doomsaying rabbit in Donnie Darko.
Mazeltov!

Aladdin,

If you're American, you should be ashamed of your spelling.

The rabbits on the TV screen at the Oracle's place could be a reference as to how Morpheus describes Neo's feelings during their first visit:
[Morpheus] "I imagine you're feeling a bit like Alice -tumbling down the rabbit hole"

and to Morpheus's way of describing Neo's taking of the red pill:
[Morpheus] "(...) to see just how deep the rabbit hole goes"

I guess the reference to 'alice in wonderland' is meant to establish Neo's fear for the unknown and his not knowing where his path will lead or end.
Remember that when Neo and Morpheus go to see the Oracle for the first time, Neo has no idea of whether he is the One or not, or what his role is in the Matrix now that he has been freed. So essentially, he is still 'tumbling down the rabbit hole' and still finding out 'how deep the rabbit hole goes' when he sees the rabbits on screen.

Did you also notice the werewolves and vampires playing on
the TVset in the background when Persephone takes Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity to save the Keymaker?

I believe the images on screen are meant to tell us (the audience) that the Merovingian and his 'bodyguards' are some sort of rogue programs with 'devil-like' and 'notoriously-difficult-to-kill' qualities.

Be vewy vewy quiet but it could also be another homage to WB who owes a lot of its success to Bugs Bunny.

hehehe lolll the topictitle (just noticed it)

»cockies and Candies ?«

Maybe someone can edit that?

LOL done...I doubt that the Oracle ever sucked a cock?

Ask Seraph!

transio wrote:

Aladdin, If you're American, you should be ashamed of your spelling.

LOL

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Ask Seraph!

Or maybe Merv..After all,he is famous for desserts of his!

hehehe lolll @ above
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Already red this somewhere else a few years ago but I think its no problem that I post it here (again).
Couldnt there also be a technical explination for the cookies & candy's besides the more spiritual/philosophical meaning?

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HTTP cookies, sometimes known as web cookies or just cookies, are parcels of text sent by a server to a web browser and then sent back unchanged by the browser each time it accesses that server. HTTP cookies are used for authenticating, tracking, and maintaining specific information about users, such as site preferences and the contents of their electronic shopping carts. The term "cookie" is derived from "magic cookie," a well-known concept in Unix computing which inspired both the idea and the name of HTTP cookies.

Maybe she uses it to get a better understanding of Neo?

As for the candy's;

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Mind Candy is a company that creates Alternate Reality Games. Mind Candy is a media and entertainment company that specializes in puzzles - varying from Su Doku-style logic puzzles to global, cross-media, treasure hunts. Their particular focus at the moment is on Alternate Reality Games (ARGs) and Cross Media Entertainment (XME). Mind Candy was formed in 2003, and is based in London, England. Mind Candy is currently working on the story/game/puzzle hybrid called Perplex City that is 'played' simultaneously by thousands of people around the world.

Maybe just a homage (only problem is that this company was formed in 2003 ) and/or maybe they 'help' Neo to better understand what he is experiencing?