»Why not cows?«

I just wanted to know if there are any theories why the machines uses human beings as batteries for their energy. At the same time they use alot of energy on running the simulation which is meant to keep the batteries happy.

Some suggestions:

1. Why not use cows instead of humans? They would require a less advanced matrix, and I guess cows produce more energy.
2. Why bother with making the Matrix at all, when they could just lobotomize every child that is born? Then they wouldn't need a Matrix to live in.
3. Why not use a powerful drug to keep humans sleeping instead keeping them busy in the Matrix?

emp wrote:

I just wanted to know if there are any theories why the machines uses human beings as batteries for their energy. At the same time they use alot of energy on running the simulation which is meant to keep the batteries happy. Some suggestions: 1. Why not use cows instead of humans? They would require a less advanced matrix, and I guess cows produce more energy. 2. Why bother with making the Matrix at all, when they could just lobotomize every child that is born? Then they wouldn't need a Matrix to live in. 3. Why not use a powerful drug to keep humans sleeping instead keeping them busy in the Matrix?

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Maybe the machines need the humans to use their brains for computing capability, not just electrical power.

I hope you remember what Morpheus said to Neo...
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Morpheus: "It scorched and burned the sky. Without the sun, the machines sought out a new energy source to survive. They discovered a new form of fusion. All that was required to initiate the reaction was a small electric charge. Throughout human history we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. The human body generates more bio-electricity than a 120-volt battery and over 25,000 B.T.U.'s body heat. We are, as an energy source, easily renewable and completely recyclable, the dead liquified and fed intravenously to the living. All they needed to control this new battery was something to occupy our mind. And so they built a prison out of our past, wired it to our brains and turned us into slaves."

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Morpheus clearly states that humans were, next to the sun, an ideal energy source that could very easily be reproduce.

Enigma wrote:

I hope you remember what Morpheus said to Neo... Quote: Morpheus: "The human body generates more bio-electricity than a 120-volt battery and over 25,000 B.T.U.'s body heat. Morpheus clearly states that humans were, next to the sun, an ideal energy source that could very easily be reproduce.

Yeah, you are correct. But it still doesn't answer why they didn't take cows.

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All they needed to control this new battery was something to occupy our mind

Why? There are no indications that the machines need to keep us awake and thinking. I guess the only logical reason would be to use the abilities of the human brain (creativity, emotions, etc.), but there is not much to support this theory.

And the big question is why nobody in the movies seem to question the fact that the machines have created a pointless simulation...

As somebody alluded to before, there may be a need to create software upgrades that would be done by humans in virtual programming jobs. I also suspect that there may be a need for data storage as well. You've got those billions of brains lying around and dreaming. Might as well put them to work.

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I also suspect that there may be a need for data storage as well.

Yes, but if they don't need the Matrix (except just a simple farm-matrix for cows) they don't need that much data storage.

emp wrote:

Quote: I also suspect that there may be a need for data storage as well. Yes, but if they don't need the Matrix (except just a simple farm-matrix for cows) they don't need that much data storage.

What an expensive data storage that is. Feeding it, keeping it entertained, and where does the data go, if the brain dies?

Good point. But I guess the internal-human-matrix-memory would have some kind of redundancy to it, so that important data wouldn't be lost.

All reasons why the machines are keeping humans in the matrix sucks.

It's quite simple not logical for the machines to create the Matrix we see in the movies.[/b]

emp wrote:

Good point. But I guess the internal-human-matrix-memory would have some kind of redundancy to it, so that important data wouldn't be lost. All reasons why the machines are keeping humans in the matrix sucks. It's quite simple not logical for the machines to create the Matrix we see in the movies.[/b]

Except for "Possible Conclusion 6: Human-Machine-Fusion"
as is written on

Nah....

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It would explain why the robots didn't kill humans / humans pretty surely programmed an incapability into the machines to rise against their creators

Wrong. Robots kill humans. Thats what made man and machine get into trouble in the first place (B1-66-ER?).

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It would explain the otherwise pretty nonsense theory about energy production.

How? It's still a stupid theory. Does cyborgs produce more energy?

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It would explain the talks about the fight 'cause-effect' (=computers' view of the world) vs. 'choice' (=mankind's view of the world) / It would explain all the talks about being human.

What? Why does the inhabitants of the Matrix have to be cyborgs to make this explainable? This is a perfectly logical thing for the programs in the matrix to talk about, especially when the people inside are humans.

emp wrote:

Nah.... Quote: It would explain why the robots didn't kill humans / humans pretty surely programmed an incapability into the machines to rise against their creators Wrong. Robots kill humans. Thats what made man and machine get into trouble in the first place (B1-66-ER?).

Yeah, I know. However this may really have been a single malfunction. Anyhow I deleted this point.

emp wrote:

Quote: It would explain the otherwise pretty nonsense theory about energy production. How? It's still a stupid theory. Does cyborgs produce more energy?

No, it doesn't exaplain how GOOD man as an energy source is, but it explains that a body-coexistence may be the only way for BOTH to survive. Thus instead of "Brilliant, let's use bodies" it's more like "Let's fuse, you keep your 1999ier world and we machines can survive"

emp wrote:

Quote: It would explain the talks about the fight 'cause-effect' (=computers' view of the world) vs. 'choice' (=mankind's view of the world) / It would explain all the talks about being human. What? Why does the inhabitants of the Matrix have to be cyborgs to make this explainable? This is a perfectly logical thing for the programs in the matrix to talk about, especially when the people inside are humans.

Yep, you are right, it doesn't need to. This point was deleted, too.

Thanks you very much for your input.

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Yep, you are right, it doesn't need to. This point was deleted, too. Thanks you very much for your input.

I love being right. And I love this website.

When all my buddies gave up on the Matrix-trilogy just because Neo has a pointless fight with agent Smith, I choose to investigate further. It became clear that YOU had already completed the first of many iterations to understand theese movies, and so I could save time by reading your thoughts. I guess it's all about how much time we have, and how can we ever have time if we don't get other people to do our dirty work?

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Therefore every human who escaped the Matrix and lives in Zion is a cyborg.

Yeah, and the women in Zion gives birth to little cyborg babies.

In my best Agent Smith voice... "Remove the cyborg-theory completely or it will be destroyed ..."

emp wrote:

Quote: Therefore every human who escaped the Matrix and lives in Zion is a cyborg. Yeah, and the women in Zion gives birth to little cyborg babies.

They are 100% human (without plastic in their heads).

emp wrote:

In my best Agent Smith voice... "Remove the cyborg-theory completely or it will be destroyed ..."

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them"

Well, ofcourse they are cyborgs, they have alot of mechanical stuff in their bodies and brain after being plugged into the matrix, but that does not make a difference...

But it seems you are implying something more. That a cyborg thinks different than a human, perhaps? And that the children of Zion must fight their parents in the end?

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Well, ofcourse they are cyborgs, they have alot of mechanical stuff in their bodies and brain after being plugged into the matrix, but that does not make a difference... But it seems you are implying something more. That a cyborg thinks different than a human, perhaps?

Probably true.

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And that the children of Zion must fight their parents in the end?

Hey, never thought of that, interesting point. But maybe too philosophical.

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Probably true.

Would you like to explain the difference?

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Hey, never thought of that, interesting point. But maybe too philosophical.

Too philosophical. Yeah, I guess I crossed the line there. Everything else in here is not too philosophical, but that was.

(Strange discussion knnknn and emp have here)

OK, what I was trying to say by "too philosophical" is that there is no hint in the movies that children will fight parents. Or is there any quote you could use for that?

And regarding the cyborg thing: Maybe Neo had some chips changed/activated when visiting the Architect. He comes back, says "I can feel them" because now he can comunicate wireless with the sentinels.

He doesn't stop them, but they have a shutdown mode to not destroy somebody who has these chips activated.

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there is no hint in the movies that children will fight parents. Or is there any quote you could use for that?

Yup. Agent Smith: "The Oracle will kill her children when they try to steal her candy."

Seriously, if there doesn't need to be a hint in the movies that children will fight parents, there is no hint that the parents are cyborgs with a different thinking than their children.

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He doesn't stop them, but they have a shutdown mode to not destroy somebody who has these chips activated.

My boring 5 testicles: Neo is duplicated is the opposite way of Agent Smith, ergo being able to exist in the Matrix and in the real world at the same time. The Neo in the Matrix stop the sentinels at the exact same time as Neo in the real world raises his hand.

Energy cannot be created , it can only be transfered from one form to another . Therefore , there is no advantage in using one animal over another . A cow produces more electrical and thermal emergy than a human , but they also require more energy ( chemical ) .

Why did the machines use Humans instead of cows?
Because it makes a great movie!
Lol... ok ok, that was dumb.

Because there is something unique in the human chemistry/make-up, that makes us compatible with this "fusion" process that Morpheus mentioned. Also, the irony is so great is amazing. Machines using us?

Cows, by the way, aren't even compatible with the whole "liquify the dead and feed them to the living." That makes Mad Cow. And, everyone knows mad cow is bad cow.

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Because there is something unique in the human chemistry/make-up, that makes us compatible with this "fusion" process that Morpheus mentioned.

There may be, but Morpheus compares us to batteries, not sources for chemicals. The machines wants our heat. Or else they would scrap our bodies.

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Also, the irony is so great is amazing. Machines using us?

Yup. Thats why they wrote it. But they didn't think it through.

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Cows, by the way, aren't even compatible with the whole "liquify the dead and feed them to the living."

Sorry, I thought every mammal would have the ability to be fed through their blood.

Well the reason for non-cows could be really simple:

There are no cows.

A user wrote me this thru email.

The inhabitants "eat bowls of snot" and they don't know how chicken tastes. The sky is darkened and all animals died. So indeed the only source for energy could be the human body.