»Why is there no green code in Smith ?«

At the end of Matrix 1, we see that Smith is made of green code like anything. But here :

matrix-explained.com...

... we see that he's not made of code, he's just black... what is that supposed to mean ? Any idea ?

Apocryphe wrote:

At the end of Matrix 1, we see that Smith is made of green code like anything. But here : matrix-explained.com... ... we see that he's not made of code, he's just black... what is that supposed to mean ? Any idea ?

I think the Smith is not just a programme anymore, or Smith is not under the Matrix's control, so there are no code in Smith.
What do others tihnk?

Yes I thought about something like that, but it's strange that something without a code could exist in the Matrix.

Maybe that Smith is rather "a lack of code", I mean by that that he's like the eye of a cyclone : there is nothing there and it's a quite place while the cyclone itself exists because of a huge pression of air, large of several miles.
Thus, Smith would be the result of the coding around him, but he would not be made of a code himself.

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone ?

It is just a representation of the scene that looks cool. You know its not too serious because the very right you can see the Warner Brothers Logo in matrix code.

yeah but that's outside of the movie, all the warner bros shields are shaped to fit with their movies.

Apocryphe wrote:

At the end of Matrix 1, we see that Smith is made of green code like anything. But here : matrix-explained.com... ... we see that he's not made of code, he's just black... what is that supposed to mean ? Any idea ?

That’s an interesting observation Apocryphe. I’m going to have to consult with the Oracle:

Oracle: Everything that has a beginning has an end. I see the end coming. I see the darkness spreading. I see death.

Smith is the end, the darkness, Death.

The ending of life/purpose/code.

Neo: What is he?
Oracle: He is you. Your opposite, your negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out.
Neo: What if I can't stop him?
Oracle: One way or another, Neo, this war/fight is going to end.

At some point in life, the future of your world will either be in your hands... or in his. (adapted)

'I am the Alpha of your omega. I am the beginning of your end' (ETM).

Don’t let the Matrix (this worlds system imprinted onto you) tell you who you are. Search for the One, the truth about yourself.

Guys, guys...I think you are getting too carried away with philosophy...

Nothing can exist in the matrix without having a source code...whether it is human mind or a program...

and I mean NOTHING...there can't be NOTHING...or there can be something without code...It wouldn't exist then...

It's like saying...Why does Bob look black? Maybe he is'nt made of molecules and atoms? Maybe he is not made of anything?

I don't know about you but whole "Visual code" thing in Matrix is a bit cheesy...Just like in the movies where robots/terminators see with some text and diagrams...i mean come on...they don't need visual for all that..all they need is info directly to processor...that visual stuff is to make movie more appealing and make us imagine what it's like for them to see the world...

Same with visual source code in the Matrix....
I mean if someone physically stimulates your brain with electric impulses or anything like that...maybe those impulses are programmed and stuff but you won't know...for you as biological creature they will be felt as they should...you will just feel 'stuff'....

Seraph had golden code.

Oracle had brightish/whitish.

Why cant Smith's code have evolved to blackish considering his anomolous and virus-like behavior in the Matrix?

Its just a visual clue.

Define 'evolve'

You haven't heard of evolution? In this case I think I can substitute the word `evolve' with `change gradually'. So read the sentence again:

Why cant Smith's code have changed gradually to blackish considering his anomolous and virus-like behavior in the Matrix?

I heard of 'evolution'.

Your problem, Gupta, that your argument isn't based by anything. Evolution isn't appropriate to this case. It has nothing to do with evolution in fact.

Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) has to have code in the matrix or it won't exist. So you can't just say 'maybe he evolved and became black nothing' heh...

It's like saying Gupta evolved and became nothing...black nothing...with no code ...with no molecules or stucture...

Stop talking like an oracle;) we need everything to make sense;/

nah what hes saying is that smiths code is black and becuase the back drop is black we cannot see it. i personaly agree with that theory.

Thats correct. You might want to READ before nullifying theories. I didn't say it would become black nothing-ness. I said the CODE would become black in color to signify the darkness that is Smith. Visual Clue. and it works technically too.

darko wrote:

Guys, guys...I think you are getting too carried away with philosophy...

Err… I don’t think so. If anything we haven’t seen enough of the philosophy in my opinion. Remember what the documentary’s tell us about the unique way the bro’s filmmaking is used to tell the story?

darko wrote:

Nothing can exist in the matrix without having a source code...whether it is human mind or a program...

Of course, I don’t think anyone is truly saying that it doesn’t exist entirely, although it is reasonable to suggest that beings like seraph, Oracle and what Smith has become don’t resemble the ‘programming’ (code) of the ‘Matrix’ but are independently represented. They are not part of that system. Again, intended for the storytelling.

Massive clue to the storytelling - The Oracle has no ‘Matrix’ code, but is made of ‘Light’.

No wonder everyone can perceive (know) her!

Im sorry being programmer and being fan of matrix (and not believing in fairy tales) explanations of creatures made of light just won't cut it for me:)

Everything in the matrix has technical base (there are many ambigious moments though as we all know)....

and we can't just take oracle words literally...door to the source isn't made of light..it's not made of anything...there is no door...it's just what Neo thinks he sees...and what instructs him to see it is electrical impulses which are sent in a special programmed way to his brain..

darko wrote:

Im sorry being programmer and being fan of matrix (and not believing in fairy tales) explanations of creatures made of light just won't cut it for me:)

Hi darko:), I didn’t say she was a ‘creature’ and the ‘light’ I take as more symbolic than trying to literally explain it . I didn’t give an explanation, just trying to help point to clues and make people think.

darko wrote:

Everything in the matrix has technical base

I also am a fan of the tech and believe there is technical explanation for most things and went into great detail and length to try and make the tech connections on how Neo is connected to the Source. Check this if U haven’t already: matrix-explained.com...

However there is an emphasis in the story that often transcends technical explanation and reveals more of a ‘spiritual’ or philosophical nature:

For example, Neo’s visions etc, particularly Trinity falling. Also Banes presence... there is nowhere I cant go, there’s nowhere I wont find you.... Not imposable, inevitable.

In the Rev DVD timeline it confirms that after Neo’s death in M1, it is because of Trinity’s 'help' Neo is Resurrected and can now see the underpinning of the code (The ‘power’ of love. How do you explain that technicaly? Although I believe there is one, but not absent from the more deeper philosophical/spiritual element)

You may not like this as many wont, but the story transcends just a ‘technical’ viewpoint.

Free your mind:)

I realized something, the more a program is close to the source, the more it shines. Therefore, Smith being all black, he's the opposite of the source : the source create, Smith destroys.
Also, the black is what you see between the letters of the code, it is the "lack of code".
So, let's assume that all the letters were suddenly surrounding a silhouette having the shape of Smith... we would get the same image we see above.
That would stick with the anomaly being a missing part of the equation and all. What do you think about that ?

Apocryphe wrote:

''Lack of code''

I like that. Like the lack of meaning, purpose or ‘life’

The light goes out from the Orc as smith is imprinted over her and we see her as black. I think with what she has revealed about him the point is he ‘ends’ everything i.e. death... he wont stop until there is nothing left at all.

So a silhouette of ‘empty code’ or code that has lost its meaning/purpose could be a reasonable interpretation of him.

Nice one Apocryphe

er:)
lack of code? there is no such a thing:)

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For example, Neo’s visions etc, particularly Trinity falling. Also Banes presence... there is nowhere I cant go, there’s nowhere I wont find you.... Not imposable, inevitable.

Well Bane/Smith is being badass.
About Trinity falling...That's what I was discussing in one thread and some people tried to explain it to me in terms of philosophy....I got pissed and stopped trying to ask them again lol;/

I still don't know an answer to that...and no...ability of Neo and Oracle to look at the world without time just won't cut it...I guess I will consider it as a 'glitch' in Wachowski's plot.

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In the Rev DVD timeline it confirms that after Neo’s death in M1, it is because of Trinity’s 'help' Neo is Resurrected and can now see the underpinning of the code (The ‘power’ of love. How do you explain that technicaly? Although I believe there is one, but not absent from the more deeper philosophical/spiritual element)

Well we simply can consider that as a coincidence, ok:)? If she didnt kiss him and tell him sweet words he would prolly still 'realize' he wasn't really dead and stuff...

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You may not like this as many wont, but the story transcends just a ‘technical’ viewpoint.

I tend to ignore those parts and consider them as anomaly in otherwise beautiful plot

You made me laugh darko, so right or wrong you deserve a cookie:)

Darko, how can you possibly appreciate the Matrix with ignoring the symbolic/metaphysical messages in it?

Of course there is a technical explanation for EVERYTHING in the films. I agree 100%.

Of course there cannot literally be such a thing as `lack of code' in the Matrix. Everything is made of code.

But here's the thing with Smith code: He is made of code. While he was an agent, his code was greenish. His transformation to the dark and evil anti-One has transformed his code as well to a blackish color. It is more of a symbolic reference than anything else. He is still made of code.

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I still don't know an answer to that...and no...ability of Neo and Oracle to look at the world without time just won't cut it...I guess I will consider it as a 'glitch' in Wachowski's plot.

There is a technical explanation for that as well. A very good one actually which brings together mathematics and psychology. Have you read it in these forums?

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Well Bane/Smith is being badass.

No. More to it than that. Smith's dialouges throughout the trilogy are very symbolic and especially the ones in that scene by Bane-Smith. But to some people it is bad ass while others see the profound meanings. Maybe its not time for you to know now. Who said it wasn't time....?

The thing that makes the Matrix great is that it gives so many profound meanings and symbolic messages while sticking to the technical explanations and the rules that apply to the system. (I've been reading Out Of Control).

I am aware of all the hidden meanings and stuff. Akshat: I read this forum a lot more often then I post

Yeah I agree that it's symbolic. But in reality I consider whole greenish thing a cheesy twist for better 'digestion' of the movie:) There shouldn't be any "code view'...

About Neo vision's explanation..Yeah I have read a lot about it...All those 'explanations' just don't work for me...Sorry Akshat:)...Oracle is prolly a giant machine but still she can't know about Neo's dreams unless of course she is connected to him when he is in real...and i have serious doubts about his forecasting abilities...

There are too many factors, equations in the world to be able to see everything...too much shit basically going on around us at the same time...Neo can't digest it...It's impossible... He could prolly made a very good approximations but seeing Trinity fall and seeing how agent shoots at her...and WHERE he shoots at her...Nooo....

If he at least something dark....and Trinity's screams...some unconscious fears about loosing her...that would be more realistic..but his dream is too precise...


About Bane/Smith...
We gotta admit that he is BADASS first of all...
My favourite character. Intelligent, bad, charming, and a good speaker :]

He is like Cyrus The Virus (from Conair).
Anyways..I am aware of hidden meanings Gupta.
I am aware of philosophy and symbolism...It's very good addition to technical aspects of story but it doesn't mean it should turn into Harry Potter;/

and yeah..Inevitability: Thanks for the cookie

Ya Bane-Smith was awesome. They should have developed his character a bit more though.

Yea, like seeing him take over the Machine world too!

Nice work on explaining the code AG. I want to iterate I didn’t literally mean NO code when saying 'lack of code', but as I said, code that has lost its significance, perishing. Eventually the system would have crashed completely as he brought down everything.


It's a shame they didn't have that as an alternate ending, kinda finishing the trilogy like all movies, with a bang!

lol, so glad they didn't

gupta..I meant Smith is my favourite actor not Bane:)
Bane physically doesn't look nearly as sharp as Smith