»A little tale about morpheus ...«

This could be a mistake ...

Anyway we are told in M2 that some programs are ripped from their purpose because newer or better programs were created.

Also, we see two programs (Cain and Abel) that ofcourse remind us of the book of the old testament Genesis. The fact that these two could be the cain and abel of the bible is backed up by Persephone's "they come from a much earlier matrix"

This could mean that the matrix started in "the garden of eden" (the perfect matrix that smith mentions) and "adam" and "eve" were given a "choice". Either to stay in "paradise" or leave. (this could possibly be the architects experiment.

They ofcource chose to leave, to live in the "real" world, the matrix with pain and suffering.

At the begining, "gods" (programs) were created to govern the matrix. At some period we could have, for example the 12 greek gods. Helios governs the sun, poseidon the sea and Morpheus the "dream world" (he was the god of sleep and dreams)

Once the matrix had better programs to govern the sun e.t.c the gods were no longer needed, thus were distroyed. What happens if the program "morpheus" was smuggled into the matrix and put in a body.

Morpheus seems to know alot of things that others don't. Example is the "train man" and who he workds for in M3.


tell me ? u think ...

hmm... could be an theory, but I don't think that Morpheus is a program from the matrix.

Morpheus knows who the train man works for because he has been 'in-the-know' about the matrix for longer than the other characters. He released Trinity as well as Neo so he probably already knew about the Merovingian too (though he might not have met him before). After all, does Morpheus ever introduce himself at Le Vrai? After all, Merv certainly knows his name in Club Hell: "Always straight to business, eh Morpheus?"

ok, it could be an good opinion...

Morpheus does know alot in M1. he is something like a "spiritual leader" (and then gets downgraded to "just another zionite"

Maybe he just knows alot because he was freed longer than most of the zionites ...

But there is still that "always down to business, eh morpheus?"

When was the last time (or last times) that mopheus had business with Merv ?

Could it have been to get Neo out ?

MatrixArchitect wrote:

When was the last time (or last times) that mopheus had business with Merv ? Could it have been to get Neo out ?

That is a very interesting chain of thought which I may just have to steal for my fanfic... Thank you! I will give you credit, I swear. If you don't want me using it, just tell me.

I think that Morpheus is insane...
He is a fanatic lunatic who fights for a crazy idea.
He is the type of the person who would strap a suicide bomb jacket and go blow up a bus, just because it would put a dent in the matrix...

Mirovingian knows them all. When they first show up at his door he is able to come up with the names for everyone. He is either really filters all the information in the matrix, or he knows the plot...
Mirovingian also took care of Neo's predecessors, so he also dealt with predecessors of Morpheus...

omega wrote:

I think that Morpheus is insane... He is a fanatic lunatic who fights for a crazy idea. He is the type of the person who would strap a suicide bomb jacket and go blow up a bus, just because it would put a dent in the matrix... Mirovingian knows them all. When they first show up at his door he is able to come up with the names for everyone. He is either really filters all the information in the matrix, or he knows the plot... Mirovingian also took care of Neo's predecessors, so he also dealt with predecessors of Morpheus...

Answer me this. Who is this "Mirovingian" of which you speak?

Comet,

Are you just dumb or pretending?

I am making a point.

If it's not twigged, I'll have to spell it out next post.

I see your point....
However, Let's start with the fact that this is not an english name... It is french so there could be more than one correct spelling...
check this out

omega wrote:

I see your point.... However, Let's start with the fact that this is not an english name... It is french so there could be more than one correct spelling... check this out google.com... See what comes up... And, does this make any significant difference?

No, not really. Except your posts are showing on the search engine.

By contrast:
google.fr...

And the fact that it is French does not mean there is more than one spelling. That's like saying 'King' is in English, so there may be more than one correct spelling.

How many foreign languages do you speak?

And, by the way, it is not just any word... It is a last name:

Check this post:

The relevance escapes me, but English, intermediate French, and a spattering of Spanish, Russian, and Japanese.

American I just can't get the hang of...

omega wrote:

And, by the way, it is not just any word... It is a last name

I believe I did not mention that it was just 'any word'.

EDIT:
That link proves that it's possible to make mistakes. In the three sources I've seen, it's spelled with an 'e'.

I speak basic german, french, little italian, and a little russian...
Beleive me, it can get confusing with the foreign last names...
There is no right or wrong when it comes to their spelling...

omega wrote:

Beleive me, it can get confusing with the foreign last names... There is no right or wrong when it comes to their spelling...

Well it matters a lot on passports. And I'm known to fume when someone spells my last name with an 'i' instead of a 'y'.

...We have slid off topic. Oops.

Comet wrote:

American I just can't get the hang of...

Thanks ever so much, Comet-chan.

And, Omega? Just because the name is foreign, does not mean mispelling it is acceptable. 'Omega' is Greek, and therfore foreign. Don't say you wouldn't get irked if I constantly spelled your name 'Omiga'.

'Merovingian' is indeed a name -- it is the name of a line of French kings claiming to be the descendents of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. There's other significance to the name as well; Merv was named such for a reason...

And it's Merovingian in the script. I don't see where you hear an 'i' in that first syllable, anyway. Care to elaborate?

Again, not everything is black and white...
There can be several different spelling of the same last name in different languages...
There are different letters in different alphabets...

You are right... Mirovingian is named so for a reason... That's why he is not "just a search engine gone wrong"... His role is much more important and trivial...

I wouldn't care if my name is spelled Amigo...

MatrixArchitect wrote:

Once the matrix had better programs to govern the sun e.t.c the gods were no longer needed, thus were distroyed. What happens if the program "morpheus" was smuggled into the matrix and put in a body. Morpheus seems to know alot of things that others don't. Example is the "train man" and who he works for in M3.

I think that you are on to something here.... What if "Morpheus" is a program similar to the "anomly code". Where it is implanted into someone with-in the matrix, for the purpose of the prophacy (ie freeing people from the dreamword: "The Matrix", freeing the one, teaching him about the prohacy etc, etc). Just like the anomly code is done with the one for the purpose of destroying the matrix.

So then could it be that both program and code be intertwined with each other in bring the destrution of the matrix.

anomaly code has nothing to do with distruction of the matrix...

Neo never destroys the matrix- he just stops the war

Smith was the one to destroy the matrix...

It was prophized by the orical that the matrix would be destroyed and the human race be freed by the one. the war was ended because that was the deal neo bokered with teh machine god.

And besides why would smith want to destroy the matrix for. he want it for himself.

Where did you get all that?
Oracle talks about ending the war... That is what Neo fights for.
remember: one way or another this war is going to end...

Oracle lives in the matrix.. Matrix needs energy to be ran... Humans provide energy.. No way in hell can the humans be freed until the new source of energy is found.

Smith fights for destruction of the system... Not just a ceasefire...
He hates this place... No compromises for him...


If Neo fights for destruction of the Matrix then him and smith should work together not against each other...

Morpheus comes across as the "prophet" of the Savior, a familiar mythological role: one who prepares the way.

He is also the older, wiser guide for Neo: a common role in heroic fiction. Obi-wan Kenobi in the Star Wars saga and all that sort of thing.

Morpheus being a program from the Matrix? Or like Neo, someone who was programmed by the Matrix? Maybe. Considering how it is all a system of control, anyway, this is a fascinating thought.

I will repeat my beleifs:

When it comes to prophets, how can you tell if it is God talking to them and not the Devil?