»Why is the Merovingian opposed to the reload ?«

Sorry if that has been answered before, but the search engine is showing to much noise... did someone find why the Merovingian was trying to prevent Neo from reloading.... knowing that it would crash the matrix ?

Maybe he fears what the Arc fears, change, or lack of control or power?

By blocking Neo’s path to the source will prevent possible catastrophe?

He certainly doesn’t want his domain within the Matrix disturbed. The One is a big disturbance and threat.

Erh.... in fact it is the contrary. Since Merv faced the previous Ones, he knows very well what it is all about. He's a trafficant of information, he even captured the keymaker and sent his men to take the key of the One (in ETM).
So, since he knows all that.... the question is why does he do that ?

Sorry I must be missing something I’m not sure what your getting at?

Ok I think I get your angle, but I don’t see it that way.

Good topic. About time a thread be dedicated to this.

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(he)sent his men to take the key of the One (in ETM)

It must be pointed out that Cain and Abel did that out of their own will. It was not an order from the Merovingian. Cain and Abel said that Merv would get pissed if he found out they let the Keymaker out. I was trying to get proof from the transcript but my computer is getting messed up.

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why the Merovingian was trying to prevent Neo from reloading.... knowing that it would crash the matrix ?

Thats the real question here....and I still dont get it.

Here it is:

CAIN: Idiot! Why'd you tell him about the key?
ABEL: What was I supposed to say? That we let the Keymaker out?
CAIN: You nitwit. I had the whole situation under control.
ABEL: He would have found out. He always does.
CAIN: He would never have found out.
ABEL: He would have deleted me!
CAIN: That's not a bad idea.

Exactly what I was looking for ! Akshat, can you tell me where to find all the transcript of ETM please, I lost mine.

The dialog implies that they were given the order to find the key, right ? What I wonder, is why Cain and Abel take the key but let the Keymaker with Niobe and Ghost (in the hallway, just after they say "look at his face, he looks like a human").

The keymaker decided to put himself into jail again in order to meet Neo, but why didn't Cain and Abel take him back when they had the occasion to do it ?

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I also agree w/Akshat that a thread has been needed for a long time on this topic. Now, moving on...

Perhaps, Merv wants the Matrix to crash. Maybe he's tired of being "king of the exiles" and wants out. Knowing the intrinsic value of the One, preventing him from getting the Keymaker would cause a crash. Not likely, but a possibility.

Also, maybe it's for revenge against the Oracle. It seems as though he blames her more than anyone for his being banished to the underworld. Knowing what the Oracle is doing, he tries to prevent the One from achieving his goal creating such a mess in the Matrix, that the Architect has no choice but to delete the Oracle in favor for a better option. Merv then has the upper hand w/the Oracle, as he can offer her exile but she'll be his servant or she'll be deleted. Either way, win-win for him.

What do you think?

I don't think that merv was actually trying to stop the reload, he was just holding the keymaker so he could trade him for something he wants (e.g the eyes of the oracle). It is probably for this same reason he wants the key to the architects room. As the oracle said, the merovingian wants "more power", i.e. he wants to have a bargaining chip in order to obtain more power. That is why he is so annoyed that the oracle helped neo get the keymaker (by telling neo when to go to the restaurant - when persefone was angry at Merv) before he had got the chance to bargain.

The keymaker is a source of a great deal of power. With the keymaker, the merovingian can get to many places he would be otherwise unable to. It seems to me that the merovingian doesn't care about the prophecy and I am not so sure that he knows what is at stake and how it affects him.

I don't think he needs to trade the keymaker. He's much better off keeping him. The "one", on the other hand, is of little use to him, so he decides to make a trade.

The whole thing about Merv keeping the Keymaker as a barganing chip doesn't work all the time.

The fact of the matter remains that Merv asked his goons to shoot and kill Neo in the chateau and to kill the Keymaker. Either way, Neo would not be able to reload.

Evry1 knows that Merv has been expecting Neo (the 1), is it coz thats what happen evrytime another "ONE" shows up in the Matrix? At the moment, im thinking...yes. I also think that he kept KM coz of the additional power that he gets...juz like what F42 said, and i also think that Merv doesnt beleive that the Matrix would crash, he is trying to stop the Oracle from rebooting the Matrix and reduce his power/ability in the next version of the Matrix.

Ya maybe he doesn't know its going to crash. But then again, isnt he supposed to be a traficker of information and hence know everything he can. He was part of the system once, so he should know. Then again, maybe hes heard of it but doesn't believe in it. He chooses not to believe that the fate of a great system like the Matrix is built around choice and human behavior. Just like the Devil didn't believe in Christ.

Um.... the merovingian didn't want the twins to kill the keymaker. He wanted them to get the keymaker back. I think that is why they have real trouble shooting anyone in the car. They are trying to avoid killing the keymaker. I think one of the twins (the one who gets into the car) briefly puts a knife to the keymakers throat, but he knows that Morpheus doesn't want the keymaker to die either.

maybe.... the exiles get deleted when the matrix reloads - just like if a pc reloads, you lose everything in the RAM...

No we had discussed previously that wouldn't happen. Otherwise Merv would not be here and would be deleted.

Fatty, either way, if Merv tries to get the Keymaker back, hes still attempting to stop Neo from getting to the Architect. The most important thing, dont forget, is that he asks his goons to kill neo (chateau fight)

Akshat Gupta wrote:

The most important thing, dont forget, is that he asks his goons to kill neo (chateau fight)

Right on! I think that this shows even further proof that Merv's actions are to spite the Oracle. Why else would he want Neo to fail? He's already helped the previous five Ones, why should Neo be any different. I don't really buy the argument that he's using the Keymaker as a bargaining chip. If he really wanted to make a deal, he would have offered in the restaurant.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

The most important thing, dont forget, is that he asks his goons to kill neo (chateau fight)

Right on! I think that this shows even further proof that Merv's actions are to spite the Oracle. Why else would he want Neo to fail? He's already helped the previous five Ones, why should Neo be any different. I don't really buy the argument that he's using the Keymaker as a bargaining chip. If he really wanted to make a deal, he would have offered in the restaurant.

Oh yeah, this just came to mind. I know it has been discussed on numerous threads, but have we ever come to a conclusion to question as whether or not the Keymaker is held prisoner by Merv in every version or just in this version?

Yeah, good points, they kinda disprove that theory. I hadn't really thought about it much to be honest, i was sort of guessing.

However, i think the merovingian does imply he wants to trade something when he says "I see no reason to give him back" - i.e. give me something and i might give him to you.

Also, you say that killing neo would prevent the reload. Whilst this is probably the case, maybe killing neo would have the same effect as him entering the source (i.e. removing the integral anomaly which is unbalancing the system), which would then clear the way for a stable reload. This would explain why the sentinels try to kill neo at the end of matrix 1 and 2, and why the agents and merovingian are trying to kill him.
Just something to think about (though its probably completely wrong).

BTW, i realise the merovingian also wanted the keymaker for his keys.

Ok, I read all your comments and maybe that we should forget some hypothesis.

1) The Merovingian knows that there are several reloads. The Trainman said in ETM that Zion lasted 72 hours last time, Merv and his men have passed through several reload so they must know what's going there. However we don't know if he knows about the anomaly.

2) Merv is really upset about loosing the keymaker (he confirms that with his dialog in the Hell CLub "when you take something from me, you pay the price"). So this is not a kind of scheme from his part, to lead Neo to the Arch.

So we have 2 basic solutions :

1) Merv does not know about the anomaly, he thinks that the prophecy is a trap to kill the One. I doubt this because every time Zion is rebuilt and he's surely aware that the One picked up 26 people to rebuilt Zion.

2) Mervs' speech about coincidence being consequence seems to show that he knows something about how the system work. Maybe that he knows for sure that the system was built to survive, no matter what happens. Therefore, he asks Oracle's eyes in exchange of Neo because he knows that freeding him will lead to save the matrix later, he does not know how, but he knows that it will happen because there is no "coincidence" for him.

We know for sure that Merv emprisoned the Keymaker for his keys :
KEYMAKER (V.O.): "He imprisoned me for my keys (in ETM)". It does not seem that Merv want to use him to lobby for more power.

Good remark Kid, if Merv sees "no reasons at all" to give the keymaker, it probably implies that he does not know about the reload (since reloading is a very good reason to give the keymaker) or else, maybe that if the One dies, another will show up and it works like that until it is too late.

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Akshat Gupta wrote:

Here: Actually, the dialog implies just the opposite. "Idiot! Why'd you tell him about the key?" and "He would have found out. He always does." implies this. Also the line "What was I supposed to say? That we let the Keymaker out?". Obviously Merv didn't give the order.

Wait, there is something that I don't understand here. Let's sum up.
First, Merv capture the keymaker. He escapes. Abel and Cain chase him but they only take the key he made for Neo, and they leave the Keymaker free(why?). They don't kill Ghost and Niobe while they could do it easely.

A) If Merv didn't know about the keymaker's escape, why didn't Abel and Cain bring him into jail again ?

B) When they say " Why'd you tell him about the key?", what is that supposed to mean exactly ?

C) Abel and Cain pretended that they let purposely the Keymaker escape, why ?(CAIN: You didn't think we left that door unlocked by accident, did you?). So was it a trap to bring the keymaker to make the key of the One, so that they can take it from him ? Because they obviously didn't care about capturing him anymore.

D) The mayker put himself in jails purposely too but yet, Merv thought that he was always there, since Cain didn't tell that he escaped (Abel: "What was I supposed to say? That we let the Keymaker out?"). Why did they lie to Merv ?

E) Note that Merv destroy the key of the One instead of using it (wich would prevent Neo from going to the Architecte's room , as explained by the keymaker).

Any genius around to explain all these contradictions ?

Haha. Damn I dont know. This part is the most confusing.

Maybe he's afraid that in the next Matrix he'll not have any power, or will have to start building his domain all over again. Maybe he's afraid that his program-minions will change somehow when Neo reloads the Matrix, and then they'll turn against him. Maybe he's just afraid of the unknown, because generally men with power do. There are thousands of maybes, most could work.
My theory: He's not afraid, but he certainly wants to put others in a tight position so he can milk off all the power he can (example: Getting the Key Maker to make all those nifty keys in his house*, trying to get the eyes of the Oracle). As you'll see in the movie, he doesn't seem to exactly want to stop him, he just wants to get more and more power. Yes, he does ask his minions to kill Neo, but I'm thinking that if Neo came back to his restaurant in several days, he would have agreed to give him up in exchange for something with MORE power than the Keymaker has (aka eyes of the oracle, or something like that). But when Persephone messed up his plans of getting them, yeah, I'd say I'd be pretty pissed too. And if worse went to worse, Neo would have been shot, and then the Mero could have:
1. Held the others captive for randsom
2. Be in the same powerful position he was in.
3. Have made a bullet that actually just STUNS people, and then convince Trinity that for the eyes of the Oracle, he could bring Neo "back to life"
I don't know, mostly i'm just playing around, but you see how much power the Mero can wield when he denys others of something they really need?

Splintey
* Okay, I don't know for sure if he made the keys, but it seems something that he would be able to do. And it's not like the Mero's going to make the Keymaker nice and comfortable, and if he needs anything, just have him ring a little bell and a servant will assist him. He's going to make him WORK! Not that he'll torture him (I don't think) to make him do it, but...maybe he promises to let him go. I don't know. But what I do know is that the Mero probably isn't smart enough to make keys that can lead to multiple places. That's probably why he stole him (among other more important reasons).