»The architect needs neo to chose the left door My theory«

This thought from another poster still bothers me…

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if they wanted Neo to take the right door, why even mention Trinity and her death, knowing his new emotion of one-on-one love and not pandemic love.

this as well...

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Since the problem is choice, the decision to reload the Matrix must also be made out of free will. Neo must know the truth and choose. Otherwise the solution to the anomaly will be flawed and it wont be a solution at all.

This still bothers me too, why tell him about trinity? if he WANTS, NEEDS, MUST have neo chose the right door, why tell him...like i put in another thread, they've cornered neo right where they want him, why not have 1 door lead to the source and 1 door lead to a room in the matrix with milk and cookies? it would still be free will, he COULD choose the milk and cookies and let the entire human race die or he could chose what they want which indeed constitutes free will, but still under a measure of control...i still kinda hold on to the theory of the oracle AND the architect wants neo to chose the left door...stay with me now...

MY THEORY

This is where I may start to differ from others… Now i believe this time around was different from the beginning of m2 as smith stated

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Smith 1: That went as expected. Smith 2: Yes. Smith 1: It's happening exactly as before. Smith 2: Well, not exactly.

In earlier versions of the matrix the anti-one may have loathed the entire human race, just as we see smith confess in morpheus' interigation in m1. This I believe, is equal to the previous one's general love for the entire human race...until this time around. As we all know this time around the anomaly code is unique. Smith begins to loath one person neo just as neo begins to love one person, trinity.

.I believe there has been an anti-one in each version with a one but in all the previous versions neither realizes their full potential. I believe(some don’t) that in the above quote, Smith is referring to his duplication abilities. I believe this is due to the anomaly's code being a little different this time as stated above and the code written on smith is different too. I don’t think any other version of the anti-one could do this, hince him telling himself “well not exactly”. Also when Smith confronts seraph in m3, we see this come into play…

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Smith: Well, well, it's been a long time. I remember chasing you was like chasing a ghost. Seraph: I have beaten you before. Smith: That's true, but as you can see, things are a little different now. *to Sati* And you must be the last exile.

Things are different. Seraph has beat 1 smith but not many, not even seraph has seen the anti-one like this.

Now that we see it was different for the one/anti-one/anomaly code this time, it has also changed for the oracle and architect. The oracle “believes” finally that her solution can be achieved and decides to help Neo achieve this no matter what the cost.

The architect HAS to know about smith becoming out of control, he is the architect after all. It was his programming that had to create a balance to neo’s powers. The architect must have known this when he created smith/anti-one.

This is also where I differ. I read the architects speech in a different light.

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Architect: Hello, Neo. Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here. Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster. Neo: This is about Zion.

The “contradictory systemic anomaly” as I see it is the anti-one. And his threatening the system itself. Insert smiths name in the architect’s speech; it works. If the systemic anomaly is the people being freed causing it, the contradictory(opposite) systemic anomaly might be referring to anti-one’s powers to bind people to the matrix. The exact opposite. Ying and yang. The zion people ans neo being able to set more free, makes the system balance itself, i.e. smith binding them. It fits into the architects speech because the more people that are freed, the more likely the integral anomaly will arise, also creating the contradictory anomaly(smith), which the architect knows if left unchecked could threaten the system itself. Like it does. That’s just as big of a reason for the architect to want neo to go through the right door as is the rebooting process. To keep smith in check and neo in check and the people of the matrix.

Now the architect knows the system is flawed and he despises it for this. The architect WANTS, NEEDS, HAS TO HAVE balance. The statement between the oracle and the architect at the very end of m3 lets us know he knew what the oracle was up to the whole time.

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Architect: You've played a very dangerous game.

He says this I believe because he knew Smith was capable of doing this, but only if the one didn’t return to the source before Smith became out of control. He gives neo the choice to return to the matrix(that smith is now beginning to take hold of) because he knows Neo is the only thing that can balance out Smith. The one chance for the system to balance itself. Balance. His favorite word. With the fail safe, i.e. the right door, the architect never achieves this balance he keeps striving for. The is also the reason he shuns the oracle, maybe not just because she was the one to find a working solution. But because his system is no longer balanced with her in the equation. Until she "stumbles upon" this aspect.

He even says he knows Neo will take the left door.

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Architect: But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

We know the architect knows neo will chose the left door because of the monitors all showing his only possible choice.

He wants balance but is afraid and doesn’t BELIEVE the human Neo can do it. So he wants neo to chose the right door. It is the safe route. Not a dangerous game. But I believe he wants balance to his equation more than anything. He is tired of playing out this scenerio over and over. So he may WANT Neo to chose the right door but he NEEDS neo to chose the left.

So much that the architect (a computer program mind you) taunts Neo into the left door.

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She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

He tempts Neo to the left door.

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Neo: Trinity. Architect: Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.

The architect needs balance. But he can only obtain it by stepping into the unknown. He is symbolically having to experience the human condition. Delving into the unknown for a chance for a better future. Kinda what I see the entire movie being about.

Now I know this theory is against the norm(maybe it’s my affinity for disobedience coming out ) but I thought I’d throw it out there just for a fresh perspective. I’d love to here thoughts, doubts, comments, and down right proving me wrong statements are welcome too.

I allways use to think "Right door", but you've absolutly convinced me. I'm still digesting it and incorperating it into my big theory of the whole trillogy.

I guess I'll explain my former theory.. which is that, the Architect had a sort of "blind faith" in the oracle, and his "equasions", much like Neo did in the prophecy. And so was fallowing his plan to disclose the truth, knowing the threat of zion being wiped out WAS the plan to make the one reset the matrix.

However this one only works under the idea that there has never been previous "Anti-Ones", (which I believe is caused by Neo jumping into Smith), and that it was never predicted any "One" would fall inlove with a single indevidual (which I believe is caused by Neo jumping into Smith).

The result of this Theory is in all previous versions of the matrix, Neo was the greatest threat to the system. Because yeah, I also believe the previous ones where much more powerfull then Neo but, Neo swapped some abilities and charactoristic with Smith.

That's it.. Great Theory!

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Things are different. Seraph has beat 1 smith but not many, not even seraph has seen the anti-one like this.

Just in case you didn't know, many others believe that Smith was talking about when he was an agent. He chased Seraph as an agent but Seraph defeated him. But now things are different because Smith can replicate.

thanks guys for the input, akshat i'd like to hear what you think about the theory as a whole as well.

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Just in case you didn't know, many others believe that Smith was talking about when he was an agent. He chased Seraph as an agent but Seraph defeated him. But now things are different because Smith can replicate.

yes i believe he could be talking about when smith was "just an agent" also...but seraph has been around previous versions where the anti-one was present as well, but with my thought it would still be one smith(not able to duplicate) even AFTER he became the anti one. anyone else feel this way? or does everyone think the anti-one could duplicate every version?...it could be interperated either way... i use to think the theory of smith duplicating only this version was wide spread, but maybe not...

I really dont know man. I guess its plausible but it doesn't make sense to me. I just can't picture. Besides Im not really good at proving other people's theories wrong. Especially when they have good evidence.

I am sure u all had seen the above in one of those monitor in the Arch's room...its the same scene that Neo saw in his dream in Zion...its the same scene that i think the Oracle was talking about. Trin falling off of a building in that manner is bcoz of the controls that are being put in place to make sure it happen.

IMHO, the Oracle does not predict the future...she knew it will happen...she just wanna study and understand why Neo would make such a decision. The Arch is a system analyst...he does not write perfect program...he think he does but how could he wrote a perfect program if he does not study the requirement properly (human)...what he termed as anomoly or unbalance equation is nothing more than a lack of proper system design...and this is what he is trying to accomplish (better system design) with the help of the Oracle.

To the Arch, whether Neo chose the left or the right door is insignificant, he knows that Neo will return to the source (what choice does he have?)..just like when the Arch mentioned that whatever Neo does, Trin will die.

I'm not sure about that answer, but I think that the Oracle has the right to require some conditions when the choice is proposed to Neo. Somehow, she specified that it was important that Neo should be aware of Trinity's death, and the Architecte just felt into her trap.
As she said, the Architecte is unable to see beyond any choice, he just didn't know what the Oracle was going to do ...

The whole point is obviously to bring Neo to negociate directly with higher authorities because the Oracle knew that the Architecte would refuse to negociate the life of Trinity in exchange of the reloading.

i'm sad to see this discussion fade into oblivion as it has...into the MxE archives persay... i thought it would get much more flak than this, for being to far off the norm, but who knows such things? only the oracle...

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Somehow, she specified that it was important that Neo should be aware of Trinity's death, and the Architecte just felt into her trap.

this was one of neo's dreams which the oracle knew somehow(i don't think anyone has discussed how she knew) i dunno if the oracle tricked the architect with the trinity situation, he is the one who brought it up...if he just said this door goes back to the matrix and this one leads to the source, there would have been no real decision neo would have had to make...he would have went to the source. so why did the architect mention trinity? that is the question...

As I have said before, because he has to. He has to inform Neo of the truth so that he may make free choice. The anomaly is created by free choice and must also be solved by free choice.

the truth is also that the matrix is through that door...he could have stopped at that...if you stating that he must tell neo the whole truth, about trinity being there...that is false...the whole truth woudl have been that he could save her, so that line of thinking doesn't work either...

He didn't think Neo could save her. He wasn't not telling the truth. He was just wrong.

the architect knows the perameters of the matrix he built...he knew the distance to trinity's location and he knew neo's abilities to break those rules...with his massive calculations couldn't he have figured out neo could get there in time?

I think what the Architect meant is that she will die eventually...regardless of which door Neo would choose, the Arch didnt mean that particular scene where Trin was falling down.

I didn't see your theory until now ONE-der-man, sorry about that. (I have been away on vacation and so forth).

I find your hypothesis of both the Arch and the Oracle wanting Neo picking the left door as *very plausible*. Basically because I have always thought it to be the case, but have never been able to explain why.

I have not gone through every single line of "proof", but you depict the "psychology" of the Arch and Oracle so well, that I can actually picture the plausibility of your hypothesis very well!

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Now I know this theory is against the norm

What I like about the Matrix is that it never ends to be full of surprises! I hope it never becomes totally explained! Especially when it's against the norm!

thanks for good thought!
/z

The ONE-der Man wrote:

the architect knows the perameters of the matrix he built...he knew the distance to trinity's location and he knew neo's abilities to break those rules...with his massive calculations couldn't he have figured out neo could get there in time?

No, because when the Architecte showed Trinity to Neo, she just got the bullet in her heart.
The Architecte thought that she was dead (and she died in fact, so he was not wrong) but he could not forecast that Neo would bring her back.

So it makes sense : the Architecte shows Trinity dying of a bullet, telling him "she's going to die and you can't do nothing about it" wich implies "so the last reason of your refusal to reload is dead now, so accept our conditions". See ? it makes perfectly sense now .

It always did make sense to me.

Sorry I didn't respond sooner One-der-man.

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the architect knows the perameters of the matrix he built...he knew the distance to trinity's location and he knew neo's abilities to break those rules...with his massive calculations couldn't he have figured out neo could get there in time?

Thats what I cant get my head around. As Apoc said, she did die but Neo brought her back. But the question remains that how did the Architect not know that Neo can bring her back. How did he not anticipate that move?

Simple, because it is beyond what he can understand.

Neo pulled this off because he was empowered by the motivation of pure personal love.

I think the Architect didn't even anticipate him flying so fast.

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Simple, because it is beyond what he can understand. Neo pulled this off because he was empowered by the motivation of pure personal love. I think the Architect didn't even anticipate him flying so fast.

that was my original thought process, that the architect SHOULD have known how fast the ONE could fly, (but thanks to APOC) that is not what the architect was refering to...he was refering to the bullet in trinity...

mobil wrote the architect couldn't understand this power of the one, but knows the one can not merely bend the rules but break them? doesn't fit...

he knew of the one flying into smith, how could he with his near infinite wisdom not have concieved that he could put his hand through trinity? maybe it was the jump starting of her heart that we should be talking about...

that would be the most unpredictable part...

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It always did make sense to me. Sorry I didn't respond sooner One-der-man.

trust me akshat , the theory above makes less sense than what the movie presents which is the architect wanted neo to chose the right door, that makes more sense to me too but this was written to just bring a new perspective and new discussion which in turn will(hopefully) bring new ideas and thoughts to the forum ...don't worry about responding sooner either, i've been away from MeX too long, i feel a return is in order, i just didn't see anything new to discuss in a while, it went a bit stagnant but looks to be back to normal now...i must chime in more often once again! any other good topics i should be aware of akshat? sooo many i've missed...it would take forever ...but i will if i have to!

Ya the forums got slow for a bit but now I think they are ok. As long as our valued posters keep chiming in and thinking about the Matrix, everything will be fine.

Well I dont want to sound as if I'm promoting only the topics I started but, oh well:

There is a comprehensive Anti-One theory thread I started (which I need to respond to). Oopps....looks like you've been there already.

There is a discussion on whether the anomaly will return or not. Mobil Ave Neo and tozy are making good points against my case. Maybe you can help me out, eh?

There is a discussion on whether Neo's powers would work in Mobil Ave ever or not. I have posted a new theory which encompasses my new beliefs on this. The main theory is on this forum but the question issue is on the questions forum. Right now Im trying to get Yaldalbaoth to agree with me on this.

So you can check those out.

Also, on the SYMBOLISM forum:

lusiada has made interesting observations on symbolism in TSR and in the Club Hel scene.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

It always did make sense to me.

Not really, I remember that in one topic you were not realizing what i just explained about Trinity being already dead for the Architecte.

Of course, it would be too hard for you to admit that the idea was mine and that you learnt it from me. I have never seen anyone explaining that before me, and I read a lot of Matrix forums. Beter say that you "always" knew it. Why are the moderators always the ones who have the biggest ego ?

Um....oops?

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Not really, I remember that in one topic you were not realizing what i just explained about Trinity being already dead for the Architecte. Of course, it would be too hard for you to admit that the idea was mine and that you learnt it from me. I have never seen anyone explaining that before me, and I read a lot of Matrix forums. Beter say that you "always" knew it. Why are the moderators always the ones who have the biggest ego ?

I hate wen ppl kill themselves jus bcuz they dont get credit when ppl use their ideas. I neva 2 dis day over-taken credit for a theory/short story i mean ideas are there, sum ppl jus get sum bfore odas do. So what? its all about learning man, "freeing ur minds"

*Dats jus how i look at it
"Dont hate, congratulate"

I think the theory The ONE-der Man posted, could be quite right...

BaDboYDC_101,

if you read the previous posts, you'll understand that my answer was for Aksha.
I see no problem if someone is taking an idea I had, that's ok, my reproach is that Aksha pretended that he "knew it even before" while his answers were showing quite the opposite (I'm talking about his answers in another topic).

So, you can repeat anything I said, but don't pretend that you knew it before when you showed that you didn't.

I get where u coming from man, dat sucks, but ne way once u kno 2 urself u started up the idea