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well put, Fatty.

If anyone is being racist here, its Sophia

the wakasois did not steal the matrix, because the matrix is scripted LIKE A COMIC BOOK, a thing that The Brothers cherish and WRITE.

look further into it. you're just looking at it on the surface. ofcourse its about money. if you were still takin the bus to your 9-5 job, while the people that took your idea and changed it up a little bit are flying private jets to the supermarket, how would u feel? wouldnt you want your cut of the MONEY. she's human. how would you feel?

are you tellin me that this hasnt happen before? y is it so hard for you people to believe that theft goes on? lol

heres a question: y do you all have this unwavering loyalty to the wachowskis? do you even know them? have they come forward to dispute anything? do you even know what their voices sound like?lol

know you're history. im assuming youre white based on your words.. if you are then i can understand why you dont really see the corruption goin on in this country...its not just racial, its economic..its way deeper than just looking on the surface.

read all the court transcripts. she has witnesses, she had an fbi investigation done. her "petty" lawsuit was NOT thrown out of court like many of them are. it HAS merit. it his highly probable that her ideas were stolen. you know in your heart that you can see a connection between the matrix and the terminator. duh! if anything it can be a continuation or even a prequel i u change a couple things around.

when i saw the animatrix, thats all i was thinking: about how similar it was to the terminator story.

but all in all, no one was there, only the people that were iinvolved. thats for the courts to decide.

Fatpie42 wrote:

Minor problem here. It says they stole the manuscript and tried to sell it. That suggests that their work wasn't simply 'based' on the matrix, but was in fact the same script (perhaps slightly changed in places eg. the title). If this is the case: (i) Why didn't she copyright it? (If she did then why doesn't she have adequate proof of said copyright) (ii) How can the same script be the Terminator script AND the matrix script at the same time? (iii) How come she didn't understand the sequels when the original movie is blatantly geared towards them? (She claims that the sequels do not make sense in her interview) (iv) Why do all these people support her when is blatantly in this for the money? Why do we keep getting called racist when most of us rejected the claims before we even knew that she was black. You might have some leverage if you said sexist (seeing as simply hearing the name told us she was a woman), but since it took quite a while for me to discover her skin colour I think racism is out of the question. I don't support anyone on matters like these without adequate proof. I am not convinced by hers. If you are ONLY supporting her in this matter because she is black then you are guilty of prejudice. (I must admit that my opinion towards the case actually unintentionally shifted slightly in her favour when I discovered she was black. Is that racism?)

Kant wrote:

well put, Fatty. If anyone is being racist here, its Sophia the wakasois did not steal the matrix, because the matrix is scripted LIKE A COMIC BOOK, a thing that The Brothers cherish and WRITE.

lol, u sound like you talked to the wachowskis yesterday? do you even know them? how do you know this...explain yourself. how old are you by the way?

dude, Sophia is making this into a race thing because if this was a straight-out trial, she would have lost a month ago


just my opinion


EDIT-Im 14, but Im a damn smart 14 year old. I have 2 lawer relatives, and after seeing what my opinion is, they agree with me. I have taken two high school philosiphy courses and Im in 11th grade math (so you'll take me seriously, you crazy crazy man)

I know because Iv seen they're early work, and its in the same "comic book style" as the Matrix movies

Kant wrote:

dude, Sophia is making this into a race thing because if this was a straight-out trial, she would have lost a month ago just my opinion

so u think the judges who were put on the case didnt have their own mind? you dont think they came to an educated decision?

dont you think that if it was JUST racial as you say that the case would've been thrown out from the jump? it wouldnt have even made it that far. trust me. the lawyers wouldnt even have given it the time of day.

on such a potentially high profile case do you think they would risk the embarrasement that could result from a case like this without being presented with all the facts? i dont think so.

IEMan99 wrote:

im assuming youre white based on your words.. if you are then i can understand why you dont really see the corruption goin on in this country...its not just racial, its economic..its way deeper than just looking on the surface. read all the court transcripts. she has witnesses, she had an fbi investigation done. her "petty" lawsuit was NOT thrown out of court like many of them are. it HAS merit. it his highly probable that her ideas were stolen. you know in your heart that you can see a connection between the matrix and the terminator. duh! if anything it can be a continuation or even a prequel i u change a couple things around.

1) As well as presuming that I am white, you are also presuming that I am American. I can't see what is happening in your country because I don't live there.

2) The only evidence I have the sophia stewart MIGHT be telling the truth is on her own website (how convenient). And on her website it also says that there is a blatant connection between the matrix and the terminator....

3) If there is a connection to the terminator than there is also a connection to: Open Your Eyes (Original of Vanilla Sky), Ghost In The Shell (Anime), Akira (Anime), Planet Of The Apes, and so the list goes on....

How many people is Sophia planning on suing?

Personally I think the sequels are proof that Sophia Stewart does not understand the matrix. How can she have written what she does not understand?

I am not denying that people get ripped off. I am saying that there is more reason to believe that the wachowskis wrote it than that sophia stewart wrote it because the complexity of the sequels prove the wachowskis' writing abilty.

Hey, i'll still accept the possibility that 'Terminator 2' was based on her script! Terminator 2 is WAY more complex than most of James Cameron's stuff.... but i'm only accepting it as a 'possibility'.

a link if its not already been posted ill be surprised though

a little search of the copyright database

you gotta love the contradiction of her letter

she pretty much calls white people fat ass thieves who all they care about is the mighty dollar

yet she is sueing to get herself millions of dollars

i love it

Speaking from a Latino's point of view, I think everyone is out to make that quick dollar, and in the U.S. it is one of the best places to scam your way to some money. True, that historically there are many instances where race, and color play a role in what happens within society, especially here in the U.S., but that is not to say that everything is to blame because of race and color.
Before this becomes a race issue, the evidence needs to be laid out first. So far her argument has not been very convincing. So before we judge on physical appearance let's focus on the facts.

agreed good sir


yeah, its basic human nature to want power. Its not a race thing.

Kant wrote:

agreed good sir yeah, its basic human nature to want power. Its not a race thing.

agreed, but who has it now? and who has had it for a might long time? can somebody just answer that question

America

Fatpie42 wrote:

America

who has the POWER in america mr. fatpie?

Americans

IEMan99 wrote:

we're all men in here. lol

... Hmm.

IEMan99; you seem to be very stressed about the way "your" race is/has been treated.

If black people, or Asian people, or Oriental people were in 'complete' power, as you seem to percieve white people as being now, would that make it all better?

I admit I'm not in a good position to argue for/against Ms Stewart, since I've not read anything to do with it yet. However, her being black doesn't seem to be an issue, does it?

I'm with maxius on this one. We're all human. End of story.

IEMan99 wrote:

we're all men in here. lol

Not the last time I checked, I wasn't. *checks down shirt* Nope, still not a man.

IEMan99 wrote:

who has the POWER in america mr. fatpie?

Fatpie42 wrote:

Americans

More specifically, politicians and unions.

The only color that really matters to a lot of people is Green. And this is what it's all about in this case.

Comet wrote:

IEMan99 wrote: we're all men in here. lol ... Hmm. IEMan99; you seem to be very stressed about the way "your" race is/has been treated. If black people, or Asian people, or Oriental people were in 'complete' power, as you seem to percieve white people as being now, would that make it all better? I admit I'm not in a good position to argue for/against Ms Stewart, since I've not read anything to do with it yet. However, her being black doesn't seem to be an issue, does it? I'm with maxius on this one. We're all human. End of story.

aside from this case with sophia stewart are all of u guys being ignorant to spite me? lol. are u really that asleep and blind that you dont really wanna see the US for the way it is. the US IS CAPITALISM, and has been. and dont give the story about how we're all equal,"colors dont matter", because economically we are not. and the economic issues inevitibly become social issues, keep in mind slavery only ended 400 years ago, thats not along time, and a lot of the mentality is still surviving in the minds of blacks in america today. also keep in mind segregation only ended 40 years ago, you guys must be asleep.

what do you think that when the slaves were freed the US started with a clean slate? HELL NO!. its still present to this day, just in different forms.

back to the elite, the gap between poor and rich is getting further and further apart. why do you think Bush gave the same elite the highest tax cut in history? answer that. have any of you heard of haliburton? u cant be that ignorant.

have you seen the white elite of america who control almost every single thing in this country aside from the bin ladens who have 7% (give or take)of the US's money?

do you guys know about secret societies? do you think its a myth or something? NO ITS NOT! Bush AND Kerry belong to the skull and bones...look it up. since this country was established there've been secret societies involving the country's "elite". you guys havent seen, and never will see the money that these elite have that have been passed down from generation to generation. its not a joke u guys. and guess what, those guys are white. the same white people who built this country on the backs of slaves. the same decendents of the people who believed in manifest destiny.

come on now, i know a lot of your consiousness is not fully developed yet, a lot of you are young. havent really been in the world yet. but if you OPEN your eyes to the things that are really goin on around here, maybe you'll see things for the way they are and not be the same idiots who are just repeating history and being controlled. havent you guys seen the matrix, lol. control is every where and u guys are still plugged in.

You're talking about the Masons. The Masons have run this country from day one. And the only two U.S. Presidents that weren't Masons, were assisinated (Kennedy, & Lincoln.)

besides the masons, there's the skull and bones. a secret society created in Yale University

El Escogido wrote:

You're talking about the Masons. The Masons have run this country from day one. And the only two U.S. Presidents that weren't Masons, were assisinated (Kennedy, & Lincoln.)

trust me

the masons aint what you think they are....i know several...including family members....they aint rich...they dont plot the fate of the world...

they go out...have meetings an get drunk and wear rings

and thats about it

personal responsibility...i say to anyone who is poor...get off your lazy asses...get an education...and show some fuckin backbone...that goes for whites,blacks,brown ir whoever

stop blaming your fuckin lethargy on people youve never met...show some drive and commitment to make something of yourself instead of just wallowing in self pity al day long

it gets on my nerves...i came from a very poor background...council estates...drugs...violent crime and despair...i bothered my ass to do something about it and am now studying towards a pHD in forensic science...not because im some naturally brainy person...but because i worked hard

people who bitch about their situation should try to do something about it themselves before blaming it on "whitey" or whoever

the anomaly wrote:

trust me the masons aint what you think they are....i know several...including family members....they aint rich...they dont plot the fate of the world... they go out...have meetings an get drunk and wear rings and thats about it personal responsibility...i say to anyone who is poor...get off your lazy asses...get an education...and show some fuckin backbone...that goes for whites,blacks,brown ir whoever stop blaming your fuckin lethargy on people youve never met...show some drive and commitment to make something of yourself instead of just wallowing in self pity al day long it gets on my nerves...i came from a very poor background...council estates...drugs...violent crime and despair...i bothered my ass to do something about it and am now studying towards a pHD in forensic science...not because im some naturally brainy person...but because i worked hard people who bitch about their situation should try to do something about it themselves before blaming it on "whitey" or whoever

its not laziness, well, for some people it is. its the BELIEF that it doesnt get any better. thats from slavery. like i said, its carried over from generation to generation. me, i have a bachelors degree. i was the first in my WHOLE family to get one..that was from hard work. and it doesnt stop there, but the rest of my friends and family its the flies in a glass jar theory.

its a bit more complicated than sayin "get off your lazy ass".

Some people can do things about being poor, some can't. Those poor starving buggers in Africa can't do a damn thing about a famine, for example.

However, in America and Europe, people can and should damn well do something about it.

No job? Why don't you fucking enlist? The pay admittedly isn't the best in the world, but it's a job, the military helps with college/schooling, you won't necessarily get sent to the Middle East (my best friend and her husband are both enlistees and still in America, 2 years hence), and the bases do provide housing.

"America is capitalism" -- Well, tell us something we don't know! As was stated earlier, green is the only colour that matters.

*chanting* Will not blow up over Bush-bashing, will not blow up over Bush-bashing....

Re: Tax cuts -- You realise that, percentage-wise, the rich pay more in taxes than the poor? It just hurts them less because they have more money. Let's pretend for a moment that the IRS is reasonable and taxes are 10% of one's income for everybody. A flat, even rate. Who does this hurt more, the poor or the rich? The poor.

And yet, who pays more, the poor, or the rich?

The rich.

Now, let's go the other way. Let's say that taxes are a hundred dollars as opposed to ten percent. Everyone pays the same -- but it still hurts the poor more than it would the rich. In fact, the rich would wind up paying less taxes as a result!

Consider that for awhile.

Ah, and now we delve into conspiracy theories worthy of Jack Chick, who is under the impression that the flag of Islam will fly over the White House by 2012. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I heard, Islam didn't even have a flag.)

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keep in mind slavery only ended 400 years ago

...you do realise that America is about 228 years old, right?

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and a lot of the mentality is still surviving in the minds of blacks in america today.

Where the FUCK did you pull this out of? Your ass? I don't see any slave mentality in any African-Americans I know, or even know of. Are you telling me that people like Lawrence Fishbourne, Will Smith, and *pulls a random rapper out of thin air* Jay-Z have a slave mentality? Dude, you're the one who's starting to act racist.

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also keep in mind segregation only ended 40 years ago

Precisely. It ended. Welcome to the real world.

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aside from this case with sophia stewart are all of u guys being ignorant to spite me?

I'm not taking accusations of ignorance from someone who spells 'you' as 'u' and who wouldn't know good grammar if it bit them on the ass.

archangel...you rock

Archangel both rocks AND rolls. Kick him to the curb, girl!