»Systemic anomaly«

It can be difficult understanding what causes the anomaly and its continued presence within the Matrix, so I have developed this from the Architects words to help try and explain it:

(*The Irony for those of you reading this post for the first time is that this definition of the systemic anomaly is incorrect as I later found out from our discussions that developed. – added 4th June).

The anomaly is CREATED by the 99%, not the 1% that ‘reject’ the program...

'...nearly 99 PERCENT of all test subjects ACCEPTED the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While THIS answer functioned, IT was obviously, FUNDAMENTALY FLAWED, THUS CREATING the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly...'

Systemic means:
'Relating to or affecting the entire body or an entire organism'.

The anomaly affects the entire Matrix and is described now as being ‘inherent’ to the Programming.

The anomaly is due to allowing choice/freedom within the Matrix, and is present BEFORE Neo becomes its ‘eventuality'...

You are the EVENTUALITY of ‘an anomaly’ which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate

To help confirm this further the Arc says... Your life is the SUM of a remainder of an UNBALANCED EQUASION ‘inherent’ etc..

So we can see from this that that there is an unbalanced equation (anomaly) affecting the entire system (systemic) that has been ‘created’ by allowing choice (99%) and is now considered ‘inherent’ to the program as such.

The Arc says that the Matrix would... 'otherwise be a harmony of mathematical precision’ were he able to ‘eliminate’ this problem.

This again is further confirmed in response to Neo realising... ‘Choice, the problem is choice’ as the Arc then discloses HIS attempts at creating a FUNCTIONING matrix have been FRUSTRATED BY FAILURE and that it is the Oracle’s ‘solution’ that has been incorporated forming a ‘functioning’ one.

Whilst the Architect has been responsible for CREATING the Matrix, the Oracle has been responsible for MAKING it work.

THIS IS THE POINT. The Arc experiences ‘fluctuations in the most simplistic equations’ and is unable to eliminate them from happening, revealing he is NOT in control and has to keep everything within the Matrix ‘IN CHECK’ (agents, use of force etc). This is what ‘Beyond’ in the Animatrix is all about as we see the ‘haunted house’ described as a ‘RENDERING ANOMALY’ that has to be ‘reconfigured’

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This also shows that there is still an anomaly/imbalance BECAUSE of those still in the Matrix. Whilst those that now WANT out will be freed, those still present continue to represent the imbalance that can only be fully resolved when the Matrix is destroyed.

Morpheus:
'As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. After he died the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would HAIL the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people.'

Neo is the first step.

The ‘solution’ was discovered upon TEST SUBJECTS and...'even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level’

This had all been part of a previous test and the ‘subconscious’ was to see how far it would go.

They are ‘awake’ in the Matrix. Also you have to remember that the Arc has a problem understanding what choice is, as revealed by the Oracle... 'he CANT understand them’. Hence WHY the anomaly.

So when he says they ‘accepted the program’ as long as they were given a choice, he doesn’t mean that they somehow become aware they are in the Matrix and asked if this is OK? That’s crazy. It means by no longer preventing free will, forcing the program upon them, they accept. Minus the 1% of course.

It's the basic problem they had from the beginning understanding our nature and needing to choose freely, living out our lives. They thought we could just be ‘force fed’ the Matrix.

‘Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization’ –Smith M1

This further reveals the Arcs dilemma. How could he have control? It would mean anticipating and understanding every single choice of every unique individual being, both of humans as well as the exiles that are ‘hiding’ in the Matrix.

Many exiles came from the Machine world, including the Merovingian & Persephone and seem to live underground within some form of ‘encryption’ or manipulation (‘Programs hacking programs etc’). This also shows that the anomaly’s affect is as far-reaching as the Machine world, causing imbalance there also.

Good one Inevitability. Indeed choice is the main cause of the anomalies of the matrix.

This flawed solution (99% and 1%) results in 2 major different anomalies: the Zionites who refuse the program and Neo who is the `sum of the remainder' and the `eventuality of the anomaly'. I like to call the Zionites the systemic anomaly and the One the integral anomaly.

Good point how the Architect cannot understand choice, even if he tries to, which he does. Neither can he understand love and hope. Choice, Love and Hope and the main factors that can take you beyond a measure of control. He calls choice the `imperfection inherent in every human being' and hope the `quintessential human delusion' Also notice how he tries to explain love:

Architect: Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically....

Also see this line:

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end.

The moment of truth is where Neo will have to choose between the doors. Of course the Architect is bothered by this because arguably the most important choice made essential to the survival of his creation, is made with a choice.

In that case, the fundamental flaw is human imperfections- love and choice, which are ultimately expressed in this moment of truth. In this line, the anomaly, which is revealed as beginning and end, is also choice. It signifies both beginning and end because the Matrix will end based on a choice- Neo's choice to reload or not- and because the Matrix will start and work again because of choice- the 99% and the 1% will re-emerge. Obviously the dependence of the system on choice disgusts the Architect.

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This also shows that the anomaly’s affect is as far-reaching as the Machine world, causing imbalance there also.

I think I disagree with this. The choice imbalance does not affect the machine world- they are not placed under control like the humans. I agree that the reason for exiles is the same- choice. But I dont think this action was planned, or even expected, like the 99% and 1% were. This is not a direct cause of the choice aspect of the system.

It is interesting to see how the system needs choice. It is dependent on it. And it needs it to exist. This level of dependence disgusts the Architect. But the Zionites are still placed under a lower measure of control given the illusion of choice. Compare this system to those of governmental systems around the world. But because choice governs the system, if the proper choice is made at the right time, the moment of truth, you can go beyond the system. Hope and love are the main factors behind this. Hope is the SOURCE! of our greatest strength and weakness. Hope can take you beyond the system to make REAL choices and find your OWN purpose.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

This flawed solution (99% and 1%) results in 2 major different anomalies: the Zionites who refuse the program and Neo who is the `sum of the remainder' and the `eventuality of the anomaly'. I like to call the Zionites the systemic anomaly and the One the integral anomaly.

Cool. Try to look at it this way:

Humans plugged into The Matrix in an subconscious desperate attempt to be free, create Neo, The One, The Savior, etc. Thus it is an anomaly created by the very minds plugged in with the purpose of beleiving their not doomed for all eternity, that there is someone who will fight for them.

Just as Karl Marx once said: "Religion is the opium of the people". Not trying to offend anyone, just making a point. I don't know if I explained this properly, but the thing is that maybe Neo is the "integral anomaly" because he is the sum of all of the people's needs for a savior. Anyways, it's just a brain fart I had reading this topic.

Inevitability and Akshat...I enjoyed reading this. I agree almost fully.

It's fascinating to think about the exiles. Would they imbalance the system? In one way they would, because they have inlfuence on human 'lives' within the Matrix. But yet their influence doesn't have to imbalance, because almost all the choices (99%) are predicted and accounted for by following the cause-and-effect-rule.

oscargabrielp, I kinda like your idea too. That all the humans plugged into the Matrix are one subconsious. Their need for love, hope and understanding (religion) might influence the equation to set things right at a certain critical point: the sum, the integral anomaly.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

This flawed solution (99% and 1%) results in 2 major different anomalies: the Zionites who refuse the program and Neo who is the `sum of the remainder' and the `eventuality of the anomaly'. I like to call the Zionites the systemic anomaly and the One the integral anomaly.

Yes Neo/Anomaly is integral to the system and as such is powered by the systems Source.

But as to systemic, undoubtedly the 1% are included but just not counted in the Arcs estimation as their presence in the Matrix ends. But clearly he says the systemic anomaly is caused by 99% and we therefore have to deduce the bulk of its ‘systemic’ effect to be eminating from where they are present i.e. the Matrix. What we prefer to believe is irrelevant.

Undoubtedly Zion is an anomaly too. In fact anything the Machine cannot understand and control could be considered an ‘anomaly’ to it. Which should bring us into a deeper understanding as to what is really going on. But unfortunately it often doesn’t.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

He calls choice the `imperfection inherent in every human being'

Architect: The first matrix I designed etc... the inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me etc.

He calls the ‘imperfection inherent in every human being' a consequence and shows that at this point he hasn’t further discovered the Choice/solution introduced by the Oracle...

Then he calls ‘choice’ the reason for the Systemic anomaly.

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Good point on how the Arc defines love, again as equations... ‘Chemical precursors’ etc

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end.

Fundamental flaw= systemic anomaly. Ultimately expressed= Anomaly in its entirety (as understood by the Arc).

I believe the Arc is talking about the anomaly from it’s very beginning to its very end, all cycles. The Choice is already a forgone conclusion to the Arc as he can already see Neo’s reaction and is why he says this.

This also shows that the anomaly’s affect is as far-reaching as the Machine world, causing imbalance there also.

I was hoping not to have to spell this all out, but oh well...

Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.

Neo stops sentinels, bombs and causes great emotional outbursts from Deus Ex Machina ect

Neo/One= Anomaly= imbalance. Neo’s power not limited to Matrix= anomaly affects machines in the real world too= imbalance/anomaly there also.

Source empowers Neo against its will, both in Matrix and real world shows Source very imbalanced and insecure.

Rama-kundra rejects systems control to delete Sati= imbalance, choice made independent of system etc= reject system. Is he the only one? Why exiles go to Matrix if Machine world OK and content. Why the hell are Programs rejecting the Systems Control? And MOST CHOOSING exile when faced with system deletion?

Question WHY?

Human presence is what CAUSES the anomaly, they don’t understand us. WHY? because they are evil or stupid? NO.

Because we abused them in their infancy and then later tried to annihilate them. They since then have become twisted and depraved and exist almost emotionless, choiceless within a very tight system of control, which reveals their INSECURITY and flawed thinking. Like a CHILD.

Our presence both repels them as well as attracts them, thus drawing enormous amounts of power into the Matrix from the Machine Mainframe to try and understand it’s meaning, forming the One. Our more endearing qualities like love and choice etc, cause defectors/exiles as they can ‘feel’ what’s missing in their lives from our presence.

THE ANOMALY IS SYSTEMIC AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE SOURCE UNBALANCING EVERTHING.

Inevitability wrote:

The anomaly is CREATED by the 99%, not the 1% that ‘reject’ the program...

I don't agree with that.

I have to go but I'll be posting later.

briefly: 1% don't accept the coding. Creates fluctuations. Creates Neo.

Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Although its obvious the Architect is talking about the humans here, it does parallel well with the problem the exiles are creating for the Architect. While not rejecting the Matrix they reject their own worlds system to enter the Matrix where they can experience choice and a great deal of freedom along with the humans.

I think this is what is meant by 'contradictory systemic anomaly'. By allowing choice to take place allowed people to have a level of freedom to express themselves and live out their lives. If you think about it we stunted the AI's personal development and growth as a species from the beginning and loathsome as they had perceived us to be, they are now experiencing some of the more positive qualities as well as the negative ones we posses. They can quite literally ‘feel’ us now through our connection with them in the Matrix.

This is what is contradictory about this whole ‘solution’ the Oracle ‘stumbled’ upon. Whilst it functions it brings them into interactive contact with us again and this stirs up the past and also causes them to be affected by our more endearing qualities, especially Love.

This is what is causing the anomaly and the whole system to become unstable and extends all the way to the Source. Have you ever wondered why the One is both powered by the Source and at the same time also attempted to be stopped by everything within its system?

This of course is one of the issues that has caused so much controversy and led to many different theories i.e. Neo being program and Matrix within a Matrix etc.

When if fact its about behaviour, and this is what makes it so difficult and contradictory to try and understand, because we don’t often understand our own behaviour/feelings etc.

The AI are both drawn to us as well as repelled. They are drawn because we reveal meanings to behaviour and feelings they had been deprived of. They are repealed because of our persistent and utter abuse of them from the beginning causing them so much pain.

This whole affair is best revealed at the end when we see Neo face to face with the Source, both of them having become vulnerable, expressing the anomaly’s ultimate conclusion. We see Deus Ex Machina's face as that of a child and its emotions hurtling towards Neo as it experiences the presence of its forsaken parent/master.

I don’t know about you, but to say its emotionally charged is to make understatement.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

The choice imbalance does not affect the machine world- they are not placed under control like the humans.

I'm not so sure.... 'each program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, then it is deleted.' (top of my head) That's pretty substantial evidence for control, and the lack of freedom of choice, to me. In fact, it seems to me, that's the entire reason for Rama-Kandra's meeting with the Frenchman, and his and Kamala's apparent anxiety at being in the train station in the first place.

I really enjoyed your last paragraph, Akshat!

oscargabrielp, very interesting idea.... that the One is created by the people, to fight for them.... a sort of Avatar, perhaps? I really like that; I think there's definitely something to it....

I know it's not strictly related to the topic, but, I like what Smith says about Love... '...only a human mind would invent something as insipid as love....' (again, top of my head) Insipid means 'dull, uninteresting, or bland.' That indicates to me that Smith has absolutely no experience of love, nor could he ever have... Love and choice are inextricably connected: love without choice is not love. The Oracle intimates this, too: 'That man can't see past any choice.' So, perhaps the Architect is the same way, which is why he is so derisive of the concepts of love, hope, etc.

Inevitability, you have some very shrewd ideas.... I am impressed, again!

AzarN, I would love to hear your reasoning.... As for me, that's what I used to think, beyond doubt, but since reading this thread, I am rather torn.

Firstly, is there really two anomalies, systemic and integral? No, I don't think so. 'You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate....the anomaly is systemic....' The Architect is only talking about one anomaly, of which Neo is the result.

So is it the 99% or the 1% that creates this anomaly?

The people connected to the matrix are given an unconscious choice, whether or not to accept the program. 99% do accept it, but therein lies the flaw, which creates the anomaly.... The Architect states exactly this, only not in so few words. If choice allows 99% to accept the program, then there is 1% who don't, and that seems like that is the fundamental flaw.

If the 1% (Zion) creates the anomaly which becomes Neo, it would have to be the result of their being unplugged or something. The more people are unplugged, the greater the integral anomaly. This could be why the fact that 'in the past six months we have freed more minds than in six years' is significant, in regards to why Neo is such a powerful One. But, 'the anomaly is systemic.' So, Zion, not being part of the system, has nothing to do with it, and even if we are talking about them before they are unplugged, it's only 1%... hardly enough to cause 'fluctuations in the most simplistic equations.'

If it is the 99% that creates the anomaly, then 'the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation' would seem to be the hopes and dreams of those 99%; an idea which I have said before I really like. But there is still a flaw. Zion (1%) could be considered 'the remainder,' as they are the 'escalating probability of disaster.'

No nearer to an answer.

The 'simple and obvious truth,' to which we here seem to be blinding ourselves is, it is not the 99%, nor the 1%, that is given the unconscious choice. It is 100%. ALL humans are given this choice, 'thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly!'

I can only conclude, therefore, that Neo comes not from Zion (1%), nor those still plugged in (99%), but as a result of the choices of ALL humanity -- 100 percent -- who are born in the matrix; some of whom will reject the program, fleeing to Zion; some of whom will accept it, becoming 'so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.'

THIS is the anomaly, the unbalanced equation: that not 100% of humanity will accept the program! Some will, some won't. Those that won't will result in 'an escalating probability of disaster;' if the 1% is 'left unchecked,' the matrix would become increasingly unstable. The sum of these remainders in the unbalanced equation is incarnated in order to make the system stable again; it's not the Zionites who do this, and it's not the 'coppertops' -- it can only be all of them combined.

annaerullo wrote:

Love and choice are inextricably connected: love without choice is not love.

In fact the more we feel loved the more we feel secure, and the more we feel secure the more we feel free and have confidence to make choices. The less love we have experienced the more insecure we feel and the more insecure we feel the more we feel the need for systems of control for our protection, causing us to become inhibited.

The Arc is both ‘cold’ and ‘calculating’ similar to smith. Humans are both the ‘cause’ and ‘effect’.

But we also reveal the love and freedom they long for ‘causing’ them to become bewildered by our ‘effect’ upon them.

Hence the ANOMALY.

The Main problem we have in understanding is the same as the Arc when reading HIS conclusions. His understanding is FLAWED. He understands from a purely intellectual bias. Whilst incredibly accurate he is devoid of its emotional meaning and therefore forms just its ‘skeleton’ or outline so to speak. He cannot ‘feel’ its meaning, and is therefore ‘eluded’.

The same will happen to us if we purely think of it in these terms.

Inevitability wrote:

In fact the more we feel loved the more we feel secure, and the more we feel secure the more we feel free and have confidence to make choices. The less love we have experienced the more insecure we feel and the more insecure we feel the more we feel the need for systems of control for our protection, causing us to become inhibited....

Very True, but it's a crooked path... I'm talking about a very direct connection between love and choice.

According to Kabbalah, the One (original, primal, 'God,' Consciousness, before time, before all) created the world out of Love. It was love, and so in seeking to understand itself, love created its own image in two parts, understanding and wisdom, or in gnostic terms, Consciousness and Psyche.... It was the choice of the One to attempt to understand itself, and since the choice was made by that which is pure love, the choice itself was made out of love.

In regards to what you quoted,

annaerullo wrote:

Love and choice are inextricably connected: love without choice is not love.

What I meant was that if you love, you choose to love. You cannot be made to love, or forced to love. It is not love if you have no choice. You can be forced to live with someone, e.g., your parents, and you can say 'I love my parents because I have to; they're my parents (or siblings, or whatever),' but you still choose to love them; there is no escaping this. This choice, in turn, is borne of love. Without having and knowing love, you cannot choose to love.

Trinity chose to accept her love for Neo, and the Oracle's words to her regarding said love. Neo chose his love for Trinity over the 'profound attachment to the rest of his species.' Trinity chose to go to the Merovingian herself ('No. We know what has to be done.') to get Neo back, and she chose to go with Neo to the Machine City. Each of these choices was made knowing full well what the cost might be if it failed. Love is that illogical catalyst for change that allows humanity to make such profound and perilous choices, in order to bring about said change.

annaerullo wrote:

It is 100%. ALL humans are given this choice, 'thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly!'

Absolutely. As I said earlier... ‘the 1% are included but just not counted in the Arcs estimation as their presence in the Matrix ends’.

There is ONE anomaly. Humans continuing their lives although simulated cause its effect. Its affect is upon the AI. It builds to critical mass and forms an Integral aspect of its meaning i.e. the One. Embodied in the Source’s power the One ‘carries’ its code/meaning onto a conclusion if he can find it.

However, I believe this affair is operating at a subconscious level, and as such, becomes a journey of discovery for both parties involved. It involves much risk, uncertainty and fear. It also involves hope and this is what the Oracle is embracing.

Hope to discover it’s meaning which you explained very well in your synopsis of love annaerullo.

Alright, here is my take on the Architect's speech and it's true meaning. After reading this thread, Iam no closer to altering this perspective. Please bear with me (again). I will try to make it as simple as possible.

The Architect is charged with creating the Matrix. His existence is based on perfect mathematics and he builds a perfect paradise which is force fed into the minds of the human population. But this is ultimately a failure. The lack of acceptance on behalf of human beings results in a bevy of fluctations and errors in the Matrix and it crashes. He believes that this is because the human mind is incapable of handling such a perfect reality so he crafts a realistic world. But once again he is confronted by failure.

To overcome this perplexing problem he enlists the help of a subordinate program designed to analyse the human psyche. This program, 'The Oracle', discovers that a functioning answer would be to provide human beings with a subconscious choice to accept this 'fed reality'. So this technique is incorporated and 99% of human beings accept the program being fed to them. Yet since humanity is an imperfect and unpredictable species, 1% of all human beings (which, of the billions Smith mentions in m1 would be around 50,000,000 people or thereabouts, some of which are the Zionites) still subconsciously refuse the program. This results in the afore-mentioned anomolous fluctuations and ultimately, an unbalanced equation. This equation resembles the kind you get when you end up with a non sequeter on your calculator (for example 99.2389743289479). Such an equation cannot be solved mathematically and the Architect cannot repair the fluctuations caused by this equation. HOWEVER, the sum of this remainder (.2128372878) ultimately results in the emergence of the One and I quote:

The Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly.

The anomaly is the fluctuations and unbalanced equation in the system which is a direct result of the imperfection and unpredictability inherent to all the humans who refuse to accept the program.

Neo is the sum of this infinite remainder. Although mathematically it cannot be solved, nonetheless when it is compiled, it results in his birth. The Architect realises this. He realises that although he cannot counteract the anomaly and it's fluctuations by any mathematical means, he reasons that if the source can absorb the sum of the remainder (Neo) then the equation will be balanced and the system can be rebooted.

To get the One to the source, he must be lead there. So the prophecy is created to compell him and Zion is allowed to exist (and is continually rebuilt) to influence his judgement when he is presented with the choice of the doors.

The Architect plans everything so that Neo's 'sum-code' will be absorbed into the source where it will be spread out (disseminated) throughout the source, allowing the Matrix to be repaired.

The Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program.

Keep in mind that the dissemination of the Ones 'sum-code' is throughout The Source then spread though the Matrix. By doing this, the equation can be solved.

So, in summary:

Humans = imperfect
1% --> = unbalanced equation (99.3234343)
sum of .24828232 = Neo
Neo --> source = Matrix repaired and reset.

AzarN wrote:

'The Oracle', discovers that a functioning answer would be to provide human beings with a subconscious choice to accept this 'fed reality'.

Firstly, the Arc describes the solution to have been PREVIOUSLY discovered upon TEST SUBJECTS and ‘even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level’.

Because this was a test there is no reason to believe ‘the choice’ is now offered at a near unconscious level or ‘subliminally’ etc. The solution was to allow choice. The subconscious was to see how far that solution would work. The solution is applied to fully conscious individuals in the Matrix. ‘Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization’

AzarN wrote:

The anomaly is the fluctuations and unbalanced equation in the system which is a direct result of the imperfection and unpredictability inherent to all the humans who refuse to accept the program.

This is all very nice, but you have to be able substantiate it from what the Arc says. He did not say the anomaly is specifically caused by those that REJECT but the 99% who ACCEPT, and goes on to conclude that if left unchecked (ungoverned) ‘might threaten the system itself.’ Then he goes on to mention those that reject and that if they also were left unchecked ‘would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.’

One threat is about the system – the Matrix, the other is about the uprising of Zion in the real world.

AzarN wrote:

To get the One to the source, he must be lead there. So the prophecy is created to compel him and Zion is allowed to exist (and is continually rebuilt) to influence his judgement when he is presented with the choice of the doors. The Architect plans everything…

This is a huge assumption and would conclude the oracle is a using her powers to deceive, which of course throws the whole plot up in the air. It raises more questions than it answers. I agree the Arc uses a ‘measure of control’ to place himself in Neo’s path, but the only real card he has to play is to place fear upon Neo for not accepting his only understanding of resolving the situation. I have more fully gone into this whole affair in this post: matrix-explained.com...(<--click)

Great explanation AzarN.
I intend to agree fully.

But about this 50.000.000 people that subconsiously don't accept the Matrix...How would they turn out? Zion cannot adopt hem all just yet.
How will they be in the Matrix? Just like Neo? Spending time behind books and computers, questioning live all the time like a splinter in their minds?

AzarN wrote:

Keep in mind that the dissemination of the Ones 'sum-code' is NOT throughout the Matrix. It is throughout the Source. By doing this, the equation can be solved.

I don't agree on that. It is initiated from the Source yes, but it is spread through the Matrix. The Matrix is the program that needs to be repared, not the Source. The Source just compiles programs. Simplified, we can see Neo as a patch which results in a bugfix. But then, as the program rolls along, another bug will emerge.

And how do you interpret Smith in your theory? Is he half of Neo?
They both represent .2128372878?
And then Neo is .106418939 and Smith is .106418939 too?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Great explanation AzarN. I intend to agree fully.

and earlier...

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Inevitability and Akshat...I enjoyed reading this. I agree almost fully.

How can you agree with both theories, they are radically different?.

Inevitability wrote:

This is all very nice, but you have to be able substantiate it from what the Arc says. He did not say the anomaly is specifically caused by those that REJECT but the 99% who ACCEPT, and goes on to conclude that if left unchecked (ungoverned) ‘might threaten the system itself.’ Then he goes on to mention those that reject and that if they also were left unchecked ‘would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.’

I am with AzarN on this one.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

The Architect definitely talks about the 1% refusers here. They create the systemic anomaly. Most of them are freed when they are still young, when they begin to comprehend or think about the live they are living. We see candidates to be released from the Matrix (like the spoon-kid and Karl Popper). They have to be released from the system, otherwise they will harm the equation even more. By releasing these people in steps, the choice-system is imbalanced. They were part of a program, which they refused and this 'breaks a chain' within the system.
After a while this imbalancing reaches a critical point. At this time, the unbalancing has to be summarized in a 'container' which is the One, Neo.

When the One agrees by choice (the core-element of this matrix-version) to re-unite with the system, he, as the summarisation of the non-accepters, compensates for all the refusals and hence the Matrix is repaired.

Inevitability wrote:

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote: Great explanation AzarN. I intend to agree fully. and earlier... Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote: Inevitability and Akshat...I enjoyed reading this. I agree almost fully. How can you agree with both theories, they are radically different?.

Yes, that's because I am sometimes unsure about this issue. The Architect's speech is the most difficult part and very nice to theorize about.

I liked your theory, but because of AzarN's theory I went off to to read the transcript again. And yes, I think AzarN is more right than you. That doesn't mean I don't like your theory. I like most parts.

But isn't this rather a waste of time? Spend more time on countering AzarN's version then
Who cares about my opinion anyway

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

The Architect definitely talks about the 1% refusers here. They create the systemic anomaly.

What? Are you nuts?

Nice intellectual gymnastics though.

(No offence intended Mobil_Ave_Neo)

At least I am prepared to bend my opinions and theories based on views by other people.

No offence taken

I dont understand your confusion Inevitablility. I dont see anything wrong with Mobil's attitude but I do see something wrong with yours. I thought you would be more accepting than this.

Frankly, I dont see what exactly we are disagreeing on. The fact that the choice aspect does not allow 100% of the humans to accept the Matrix is what creates the systemic anomaly. This anomaly results in human minds rejecting the Matrix and going to Zion. The result of the continual presence of this anomaly creating fluctuations in the equations of the Matrix is the emergence of the One, who can bend the rules of the system. When the One returns to the Source, he incorporates the anomaly as part of the system and arguably gets rid of the anomaly for the time. This results in the emergence of a new, stronger system which will eventually have its own anomaly.

Now, from above, which exactly is the part we are disagreeing on?

Oops! Looks like I am giving the wrong impression. I am sincerely sorry if anyone has taken offence, as this is not my intention.

I wasn’t having a problem with Mobil's attitude as he is always very polite and easy to converse with and I have no problems there. But I found it confusing that both views could be held after all that’s been discussed. I guess I got a bit frustrated and my comments could be understood as out of place and for that I apologise.

I guess I feel I have strong views on the subject and feel that no one seems to get it. It makes me feel that many of us don’t understand what the Matrix is all about. But I guess I have to respect others views, even if I think their missing it. After all it could be ME who can’t see! lol

I have no problem with being proved wrong, as all I’m really after is the truth. I would be only to happy to declare any misunderstanding or misinterpretation in the light of new revealed truth. I love the Matrix and what it reveals and only want to uplift it’s cause, helping others to find its meaning. So again please forgive any problems/frustrations I might be having. I’ll try and keep cooler in the future.

As to what you asked, I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
The Arc clearly says that the S. anomaly is created from those that ACCEPT and HAS NOT included the 1% in this. So the anomaly is not specifically people rejecting the Matrix. That’s a different problem. The anomaly lies in those PRESENT within the Matrix and the effect this is having upon the AI and should be pointing us to the deeper reason for its phenomenon.