»super brawl crater = phone booth from M1?«

i read on a site somewhere... i can't remember for the life of me where... that the crater where Neo & Smith end the super burly brawl, is in fact the same place where Neo makes the phone call at the end of The Matrix.

it never cited a source for this piece of trivia, nor did it explain what it was based on... but i decided to do a little poking around and i have to say... i think they might be right.

take a look at the final scene where Neo flies off after the phone call at the end of The Matrix and look at the point in the street where he takes off from...

THEN...

compare that with the scene when all the Smiths explode in a flash of bright light at the end of Revolutions. It's hard to see.. but when they showthe 4 corners of each building at the intersection where the crater is.. each of the 4 corners correspond to the 4 buildings at the point where Neo flies off in the 1st movie.

what do u think?

wAkE_uP_nEo wrote:

i read on a site somewhere... i can't remember for the life of me where... that the crater where Neo & Smith end the super burly brawl, is in fact the same place where Neo makes the phone call at the end of The Matrix. it never cited a source for this piece of trivia, nor did it explain what it was based on... but i decided to do a little poking around and i have to say... i think they might be right. take a look at the final scene where Neo flies off after the phone call at the end of The Matrix and look at the point in the street where he takes off from... THEN... compare that with the scene when all the Smiths explode in a flash of bright light at the end of Revolutions. It's hard to see.. but when they showthe 4 corners of each building at the intersection where the crater is.. each of the 4 corners correspond to the 4 buildings at the point where Neo flies off in the 1st movie. what do u think?

hmmm. interesting! havent had a chance to check this out for myself yet, but it would add some weight to the theory that the flying neo scene takes place at the end of Revs. almost like neo is returning to see if the place has restored...

You could be on to something there. But I dont know if this would have any significance, they put several things from M1 in M3. Something I noticed that I havent seen mentioned, ever watch M1 the subway fight scene between Smith and Neo (of course everyone has)? Watch the beginning of that then watch the beginning of the Super Burly Brawl at the end of M3. Very similar. (ie: camera angles, fists clinch, running towards each other)

NeoProgram wrote:

You could be on to something there. But I dont know if this would have any significance, they put several things from M1 in M3.

well, i don't think this is really the same as just putting some of the same stuff from M1 & M3..

if u ask me.. i think its significant that Neo's path ends in the same place that it began... it's symbolises the cyclic nature of both the matrix and life.. the perfect circle.

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if u ask me.. i think its significant that Neo's path ends in the same place that it began... it's symbolises the cyclic nature of both the matrix and life.. the perfect circle.

Good observation.

thanks... i'm now 100% sure they are in fact the same place.. i've looked at the whole scenes again.. i'll upload screen caps soon.

Yeah, I remember reading that on a matrix trivia site

ok managed to upload the screen caps for comparison..

here's the 1st one taken from when Neo flies off from the phone booth at the end of M1:

matrix-explained.com...

there are 2 things to take note of here.. firstly.. Neo flies off from the intersection where the 5 roads meet in a star shape in the centre of the shot. secondly, note the 2 round towers on the right and a kinda squarish one on the left edge of the shot.

here's the 2nd screen cap taken from the middle of the super burly brawl:

matrix-explained.com...

you can make out the 3 towers i pointed out earlier, although its too dark to see the intersection.

finally, here's the shot taken as Smith & Neo are hurtling towards the ground right before they make the crater:

matrix-explained.com...

the lightning means that you can make out all 3 towers but also the faint outline of the star-shaped intersection.

I feel quite vindicated as i stated this on another forum just after i had seen revolutions, i wasnt 100% sure but it looked like the same intersection....i got posts along the line of "they wouldnt re-use graphics from the first film, that would be lame"

I became unsure of what i saw but thanks to this thread i know i wasnt mad, nice work _nEo

thanks!

yeah you can go give people some abuse on the other forum now! i mean it wasn't a case of re-using the same graphics.. something like this was done very deliberately by the Wachowskis..

after all they created miles and miles of megacity for the flyover when Neo heads to the freeway to save Morpheus & the Keymaker... they didn't NEED to use the same part again.

That's very f*ckin' impressive wAkE_uP_nEo!

Thanks for taking this effort and for sharing it with us!

It indeed opens up interesting thoughts.

Like the Neo from the end of M1 being the nirvana-program-Neo after all the events of the trilogy.

thanks Mobil_Ave_Neo... when i first started looking into it.. i wasn't sure if anyone would give a shit!

but i'm certain that it does bear significance.

yup definetely the same places, it's cool from the first pic from m1 you can see some buildings being constructed, then in the pic from m3 you can see them finished. Nice work!

If the building in Matrix 3 is the result of the construction yard in Matrix 1, there cannot be a jump in the timeline... but maybe this building is destroyed after M3 and the construction yard in M1 rebuilds it? maybe this is the same building smith and neo were fighting in... just some random ideas

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oh yeah.. oops.. i tried a search before but didn't find anything

This is really cool stuff. Pretty interesting.

cal31 wrote:

yup definetely the same places, it's cool from the first pic from m1 you can see some buildings being constructed, then in the pic from m3 you can see them finished. Nice work!

I have discussed this discovery in a private Newsgroup recently... some people believe this is just coincidence... they believe this is a "real" shot of a city, and the construction yard was there when Matrix 1 was made, and the house was finished when Matrix 3 was made... I don't think there is a similar city, it is 100% computer generated... but I'm not sure...

can anyone enlighten me on this?

Well, they shot on location in Sydney, and some of the buildings are actual buildings there... but the city backdrop in the helicopter/office shootout in M1 was a translight, taken from photos of Sydney skylines, and enhanced digitally. Also, many of the shots in Sydney were enhanced to make some buildings taller, or add things that weren't actually there, or erase tell-tale signs that it was actually Sydney at all.

So, yes, it was a real city, and yes, it was fabricated! They used real shots to give it realism, but I think the megacity structure was totally the filmmakers' own design.

I know, it doesn't settle your argument, though; for the construction site, it still could go either way. Sorry about that. All I can say is, if we are to believe the Animatrix short 'Beyond,' as well as the 'deja vu' scene in M1, the matrix can be changed by its agents (not necessarily the suited ones) in seconds, which sort of negates the need for construction sites at all! ...But, then, humans have to be given something to do to occupy ourselves, don't we? Oh, there I go....

BTW, if you haven't already, check out the thread titled, matrix-explained.com....

thx for the interesting info, maybe someone can backup the statement about the "megacity structur" with a link to an interview? guess some of the effect people commented somewhere, if there is something real in this city layout or is it 100% artificial... haven't found such info yet

I agree with you that construction yards aren't needed, but the matrix world simulates the peak of human civilisation, so it will also simulate construction companies i guess

it would make sense to me that this is exactly the same building neo && smith fight in M3 in... but I have no hard evidence for this...

watch the "Neo Realism" feature on the Revolutions DVD..

they mention how the megacity is BASED on photographs of Sydney, but they've amalgamated a lot of different factors just like annaerullo said... it's neither 100% real, nor 100% CG

so you can't actually recognise any of it as being part of Sydney, but a lot of it was taken from photographs of buildings from there.

so no, its definitely not coincidence and its definitely not just a real shot of a city.

as for the issue of construction sites.. i know its been asked why they would be needed in the matrix.. but remember a construction site has been featured before in Enter the Matrix.. the level where you have to escape from many Smiths begins in a half-built skyscraper.

On The Matrix Revisited DVD there is a chapter on the outline of Mega City. John Gaeta (I think) said that they were skylines from Sidney but enhanced them and modified them so people wouldn't recognize the city as actually being Sidney.

I was looking it over on both movies and they look like different points in a city. Revolutions has a few skyscrapers, and at the end of The Matrix there really aren't any high rise buildings, but I could be completely wrong.

read my comparison & check the screen caps i uploaded and you will see that it is definitely the same spot

Yup! Exact same intersection...

Some small differences between the pictures seems to be caused by the different heights from the ground and different lighting.