»Hot Topic...Abortion good or bad.«

So i figured with all the political debates going on lets talk about one of the most heavy topics right now. Abortion is it good or bad. What are your feelings? Mine are simple, i dont support abortion, but i kinda have a weird view on it, on the one hand it helps cancer reaserch with the stem cells, on the other its killing babies. I know a few people who had abortions and they regret it to this day. I think that you need to see both sides before you can truly stand....thats why im curious to hear your views! Mine as i stand right now is if 2 people have sex they need to take the responsibility of it. If a woman decides to have an abortion and there a close friend ill tell them my view and let them make up there own damn mind(thanks oracle) ill love them and help them through a rough time but i wont bomb or shoot at them. Thats where i stand where do you stand?

its a difficult topic...i saw a programme a couple of weeks ago that showed a suction abortion taking place...where by a tube is inserted into the woman...the chamber is then pumped up like a water gun and the pressure then sucks out the foetus which splatters all over the inside of the tube...disgusting but only used on tiny undeveloped embryos

the morals are difficult to argue...while i dont think any woman should have to give birth to a child she carries from being the victim of rape...i think it is also unacceptable that they can choose to abort any foetus they like...there are laws in place that say that the baby will be either in danger itself or a health of life risk to the mother...but these are very easy to circumvent

another thing that annoys me is the people who say "im not pro abortion...im pro choice"...what crap...these people need to get a grip of themselves...its obviously a means to justify themselves...but then equally horrendous is the extreme tactics that some pro life groups use...abduction and murder of abortion doctors....

the only thing i would like to see is this...if abortions are neccessary in some cases then the termination period should be lowered from 24 weeks to between 12 and 16 weeks...the differences in foetus size and development in remarkable in that time

I don't think it matters what other people think about abortions. If the couple/woman want/s to have an abortion then that is there/her choice.

But should fetuses be used for stem cell research? I say yes, if such things can bring us closer to curing such common diseases as cancer or disabilites like paralysation, wouldn't crossing a small barrier of a moral over something that has no conscious or awareness of it's existeness. An easy way of putting it is, how different is doing a test on a dead rat fetus to a dead human fetus?

Obviously they shouldn't be taken at random and force, they should be donated by the aborting mother or couple.

Abortion is the choice of the parent, but their reasons should be plausible. I mean, shouldn't they think of the millions of couples that can't have children because of a sexual defiency etc.?

Abortion is clearly wrong. Stem-cell research should be done for medical reasons only. Once it steps outside these bounds, it should be disallowed.

pawnatron wrote:

I don't think it matters what other people think about abortions. If the couple/woman want/s to have an abortion then that is there/her choice

Or, put another way....

I don't think it matters what other people think about murder. If the group/person want/s to kill someone then that is their/his choice.

so you are saying that a woman carrying a baby that is the result of her being raped shouldnt have the right to terminate the foetus

you are saying that a baby that till be born with a serious physical or mental illness should be brought into this world against the wishes of parents who know they wouldnt be able to cope either financially or emotionally with caring for a handicapped child

you are saying that girls who no more than children themselves should be forced to be mothers despite them not being anywhere near mature enough to support a child and who are in their situation through naivity and adolecent curiousity?

Very nice start everyone. I can't believe it's been this level-headed and well-thought out so far.

While I see and agree w/both sides of the subject, I agree w/Anomaly's statement about the lowering of termination period more than anything. In fact, I would suggest that the termination period be only in the first trimester. After that, the baby must be born.

However, while I do agree that it is a woman decision to choose, I disagree that her choice is final. We as humans are given many choices, one of those is to kill. Abortion is killing and therefore there are consequences. But much like in adult life, these consequences are situational. (i.e. self-defense) This is how the courts must look at abortion, as well. If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, then she should have the choice to abort the fetus. There are other situations as well, far too many for me to list. However, where abortion becomes murder is when a woman, knowing full well that pregnancy is a risk w/sex, becomes pregnant and chooses to abort the fetus. Don't tell me the choice is still hers because she waived that right when she chose to have sex knowing that pregnancy was possible. Saying she still has a choice is like saying you robbed a bank and still had the choice of whether or not you should be arrested. You've already made the choice to rob the bank knowing the consequences, so now you must deal w/that choice.

Finally, I do agree that fetuses should be used for stem-cell research. The advances that can be made far outweigh the negatives. But, I feel that only fetuses aborted under the extreme circumstances above (rape, etc.) should be used. Any other fetus is off-limits.

stinkz wrote:

Abortion is clearly wrong. Stem-cell research should be done for medical reasons only. Once it steps outside these bounds, it should be disallowed. pawnatron wrote: I don't think it matters what other people think about abortions. If the couple/woman want/s to have an abortion then that is there/her choice Or, put another way.... I don't think it matters what other people think about murder. If the group/person want/s to kill someone then that is their/his choice.

How can an abortion be murder? Sure the fetus is alive but it is in no way a ''person'' this is not homocide. Abortion is only allowed when the fetus is on the early stages.

If you kill a woman that is 1 day pregnant have you killed 2 people?

Also, if abortions would be illegal then people would just do it themselfs. With drugs or something. So if abortions would be legal then maybe that encourage people do to it legally.

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so you are saying that a woman carrying a baby that is the result of her being raped shouldnt have the right to terminate the foetus

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Pawnatron wrote:

If you kill a woman that is 1 day pregnant have you killed 2 people?

actually, i believe the official answer (at least in the US) is YES. if i remember correctly, when i was in the US just recently over spring break, Bush passed new legislation that means people who are responsible for the death of a pregnant woman will be sentenced on the premise that he has taken 2 lives and not one!

Abortion is up to the individual concerned.
It doesn't help having all and sundry poking their noses into what is already a very delicate issue.
I would support abortion if one of my friends had decided to have one.
I would not be one of those people who would lecture and preach the so-called rights and wrongs of having it done...

It is their decision and should be respected as such.

Basically, it all depends on one arbitrary thing you all agree upon: that a baby is not a human. If a baby is a human, abortion is murder, plain and simple. It is no longer about "choice" or anything else.

And, until science can tell me when a soul is developed in a human being, I think it is best to assume life begins at conception.

All this idiotic rhetoric about special cases is irrelevant. Pro-choicers love to make themselves appear "compassionate" towards women, but don't be fooled. Once again, all we have are rationalizations for what we know to be immoral behavior. It hope that none of you here are pro-murder so that, in case of a mishap and an accidental pregnancy, there is an easy way out. Abortion shouldn't be a method of escape from responsibility.

I personally don't agree with abortion. I don't think a baby being one day old is any less of a person than a baby that is one month old. Even if they are not yet aware of themselves, they are still human beings, and they are still children. Killing a child is child abuse and murder. As for the rape thing, the child didn't ask to be in the situation anymore than the mother did, so why should the child have to give its life? The woman can just as easily give the baby up for adoption. If you kill a baby, you are not allowing it to have a future, for all the woman knows the baby could be a prodigy or change the world. But that is just my opinion.

What about sperm? Is a sperm a 50% person so people should not be allowed to use a condom unless they want to face the death penalty for murder? A 1.min fetus is not a person. I think I read somewhere that a fetus has to be 6 months old to be considered a person.

how old do's the fetus have to be so it would be illegal for the parents to have an abortion? 6 months?

I think overall that abortion is wrong. If a woman had sex with a man willingly, and got pregnant even though she wasn't ready for it, that's her own fault and she should definitely not abort the child in her stomach. that's like murder...because nowadays, they have birth-control pills anyways...and i don't think they cost much, so it's a lot better for the woman to not have the fetus develop at all then to linger and get an abortion.

Unfortunately accidents DO happen.

Women do not have to linger these days they can go to the GP or a Pharmacy and take a morning after pill. A very sensible solution in case of any accident

Another Smith wrote:

Women do not have to linger these days they can go to the GP or a Pharmacy and take a morning after pill. A very sensible solution in case of any accident

of course it's a sensible solution...hello...I'M the one that brought it up...this is NOCUTURNAL_ANONYMOUS

so why are we talking about abortion anyways when people can just take pills? because there's still people stupid enough to wait! !@#$%#$

Oh, excuse me...
I thought you were talking about Birth control pills...Not morning after pills, which are VERY different.

oops...uh...i..uh...duh...

*argues w/ her other side:
"ah...you underestimated your enemy again, smeegle. you idiot! you always do that you pompous fool!"
"but...shes not my enemy" *big whimpery eyes*
"you dumbutt! *sigh* see what happens when i'm not with you?"

It's ok Nocturnal...I'm the same when Zero is not around...Lost and alone.... *sob, sob*

Ummm, *composing myself*

....Don't let it happen again

yes ma'am *salutes and knocks over ten fruitbowls while doing so*

So you all have interesting thoughts on abortion....i still think its killing a baby....

Another Smith wrote:

Unfortunately accidents DO happen.

Accident or no, people should take responsibility for their actions.

nocturnal wrote:

there's still people stupid enough to wait!

It is so sad that virtue and temperance are so devalued nowadays.

Agent Zero wrote:

So you all have interesting thoughts on abortion....i still think its killing a baby....

Nice to see that someone still does.

Thank you....

stinkz wrote:

Abortion shouldn't be a method of escape from responsibility.

so you say special cases should be allowed to have abortions because it doesnt relieve them of responsibility...

again i ask

where the responsibility in a woman getting pregnant through being raped?

stinkz wrote:

Abortion is clearly wrong. Stem-cell research should be done for medical reasons only.

and whats with this then stinkz...stem cells are a fertilized but undifferentiated human embryo cells...

you say life begins at conception...stem stem cells occur right after conception so by your reckoning,this is murder...or does it not count if its for medical purposes

you know who else killed humans for "medical" purposes...the nazis....performing operations without any anesthetic just to se what would happen...