»Reason how smith was able to fly«

I was reading what the creator of the sites's statements and he asked "how did smith learn how to fly"....since simth has a connection with neo, as smith stated "smith: do you feel it..Neo: feel what, Smith our connection" and " a part of you imprinted onto me" So thats why neo knew smith was at the door in m2 and why smith always shows up where neo is...so thats why smith was able to fly and why neo and smith's first punchs of the super brawl were mirror to each other...


If this was already said on this forum sorry...

neo knew how to fly out of danger in m2 the burly brawl...but smith couldn't as of yet..he just look sup and watches him...i don't think smith could fly until he overtook the oracle...knowing the codes parameters and knowing he could break them now..

offtopic: when smith overtakes the oracle's body and show it in the matrix code POV it looks like neo doing it...

looks like smith to me but ill double check....

The ONE-der Man wrote:

neo knew how to fly out of danger in m2 the burly brawl...but smith couldn't as of yet..he just look sup and watches him...i don't think smith could fly until he overtook the oracle...knowing the codes parameters and knowing he could break them now..

You are correct to a certian point "The ONE-der Man". Because of the whole Ying-Yang relationship between Neo and Smith (as well as the imprinting part). I believe that smith always had the ability to fly after his destrution in the hallway, but he never had the power until the point when he absorb the orical.

Understanding is key...

If I could walk outside my house right now, and CHOOSE to just fly up in the air, don't you think I would? I'd love to go for a nice air-cruise right about now (it's kinda nice outside )

Why don't I? Because "We can never see past the choices we don't understand."

If I knew for a fact that I was in some dream world where gravity didn't exist, and understood the reasons for exactly why I could fly around, (ie, no gravity or something like that) I'd be flyin around right now....

Maybe that when Smith tried to copy Neo, he got a part of him and learnt how to fly.

If Smith is able to get a part of the people he's trying to copy (even if the process didn't work), then it would explain how he found the Oracle : indeed, when he tried to copy Morpheus, he could find the path to the Oracle's flat.

One theory I liked was suggested by BaDboYDC_101. I really liked it. He hasn't seen M3 yet (silly blighter) so I think he took it more literally than symbolically. However, if you think of the ideas of psychology found in the movie it works very well. (Anyone here know much about psychology? I'd love to hear your opinion on this):

Okay, the theory! Smith never gets his powers until after Trinity dies. When Trinity dies Neo loses some of the strength her love once gave him and Smith (being the same person - "he is you. Your equal, your opposite") as a result becomes more powerful.

I still go with the idea that the oracles powers allow Smith the understanding of the matrix needed to fly, but I think the above theory works symbolically.

It can work symbolically, yes.

But what does it have to do with psychology?

Nothing, it's pure BS.

If Apocryphe is the voice of reason then reason is an arrogant motherf*cker.

In Freudian psychology there are two rival insticts. One instinct is the life instinct which wants pleasure in the absence of pain - known as the 'id'. Freud believes that this instinct wants nothing more than to gain sexual gratification. The other instinct is the death instinct which depresses. This is known as 'thanatos'.

According to Freud all we want to do is have sex and then die. Neo is shown as the more sexual being, while Smith seems facinated with death. Neo wants to protect life, while Smith wants to end life. Is it so crazy to suggest that Neo is the id while Smith is thanatos?

Unfortunately my knowledge of this is limited to what I learnt in a theology course entitled "what is religion?". Here's an internet site that won't help you undertstand much more, but at least will prove that I'm not just making this all up. (Look at the section called 'sex and death')

Ok maybe I made a mistake there. It appears to be eros and thanatos which are both elements of the id. This, in fact, works even better because eros is one of the greek words for 'love'.

Neo is 'eros' and Smith is 'thanatos'. Any thoughts?

Seriously I think there is no connection....atleast that I can think of which makes sense.

What doesn't make sense about the connection? Loads of films use ideas from Freudian psychology.

When asked how many underlying concepts there are the wachowskis answered 'more than you think'. There are tons of symbols in the matrix movies and it is wrong to dismiss them on a whim.

What we could really do with here is someone who knows more about Freudian psychology. I don't think either ol' AG, Fatpie or Apoc are gonna be the ones to solve this one.

Ya what I meant was maybe there is a connection but I wont be the one to see it.

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The architect also tells ‘Neo’ that he is the sixth ’One’. Why the sixth? The answer is that Neo's five previous incarnations represent the Five Books of Moses that make up the Old Testament. Neo (representing Christ, and thus the New Testament) differs from his five predecessors in his capacity to love. In the work of Origin of Alexandria and other early Christian writers, it is love ("eros"# in Greek) that compels Christ to come down from the heavens to redeem humanity.

This is a part from my essay. I think fits quite well with this thread.

In Freudian psychology flying in dreams is supposed to represent sex and sexual freedom. Which is exactly what neo does. When he flys in the matrix, he flys in a dream world.

I see Neo as the lack of ego and smith as ego.
Ego wants to replicate itself, is totally selfish and consumes all it can. I find this to be the perfect description of Smith.

Neo has obvious facets to his persona comparable to the Boddhivista, the form that all Buddhists aspire to. One of the ideas behind Buddhism is that in the destruction of the ego we can become free from its control and gain pure blissful enlightenment.

Dats a cool new way 2 look at it, ill post my theory as soon as Apoc starts respecting peoples opinion and dont call my theory B.S even tho he only heard a piece from fatpie. I dont see how u could dismiss my theory without presenting a better one, i wanna hear urs 2 man, this forum is about learning and growing.

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In Freudian psychology flying in dreams is supposed to represent sex and sexual freedom. Which is exactly what neo does. When he flys in the matrix, he flys in a dream world.

Didn't Freud mention sex a lot?

Yes, very much so.
But it fits with evolutionary biology, only the species that become fixated with reproduction survive. The massive drive to pass on genes is responsible for our survival as a species.
Although I agree some of freuds theories put too much emphasis on sex.

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Quote: The architect also tells ‘Neo’ that he is the sixth ’One’. Why the sixth? The answer is that Neo's five previous incarnations represent the Five Books of Moses that make up the Old Testament. Neo (representing Christ, and thus the New Testament) differs from his five predecessors in his capacity to love. In the work of Origin of Alexandria and other early Christian writers, it is love ("eros"# in Greek) that compels Christ to come down from the heavens to redeem humanity. This is a part from my essay. I think fits quite well with this thread.

So the previous Ones are being compared to books? Or the teachings of those books? Please explain. I dont get Christianity. lol

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In Freudian psychology flying in dreams is supposed to represent sex and sexual freedom. Which is exactly what neo does. When he flys in the matrix, he flys in a dream world.

Thats a pretty cool observation.

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I see Neo as the lack of ego and smith as ego. Ego wants to replicate itself, is totally selfish and consumes all it can. I find this to be the perfect description of Smith. Neo has obvious facets to his persona comparable to the Boddhivista, the form that all Buddhists aspire to. One of the ideas behind Buddhism is that in the destruction of the ego we can become free from its control and gain pure blissful enlightenment.

Yes I agree completely. This fits in with the Eastern philosophies facet of the trilogy. Ego (Smith) is the biggest problem which must be conquered before you can reach enlightenment.

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ill post my theory as soon as Apoc starts respecting peoples opinion and dont call my theory B.S even tho he only heard a piece from fatpie.

Its no use. Go ahead and post whatever you want. Apoc isn't going to change his mind about you or about what he does once the thought is in his head.

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But it fits with evolutionary biology, only the species that become fixated with reproduction survive.

Is this actually scientifically proven? I mean it makes sense of course.

And oh yeah, did you ever post a link to your complete essay Yaldaboath? I dont think I've read it yet but I'd like to.

Thanks in advance.

I didnt watch revolutions so im going out on guesses and all I have heard about revolutions. I believe that Smith was able to fly because he is not an Agent of the System anymore, he is not bound by the rules of the system, and he is so much connected to Neo when he realised Neo had the ability to fly he realised he had the potential to do this also, and since he is no longer bounded by the rules of the matrix, he "believes" that he can fly so he breaks the gravity rule. So guys what do ya tink?

So you think that Smith is the ego rather than thanatos, Yaldy?

Can you fill me in on thanatos 'cause you haven't mentioned it during any of your explanations. I think you'll find that Freud considers the dualism of eros and thanatos quite important.

I believe on another thread we were pointing out how Smith and Neo combining was dualism being resolved...

I really dont get this dualism thing. First they say its 2 separate things....then they say its the same. So whats the point of arguing? Can you help, Fatty? Maybe you can PM me about it.

Did anyboyd read my post before Fatpie's own? What do ya think? does it make sense?

This happens to me a lot, my posts get overlooked or are not replied to.