»Neo’s connection to the Source in the Real world -EXPLAINED«

Although the Movies do not directly explain, I believe upon investigating what is revealed, we can develop a plausible understanding.

Introduction

It’s interesting thinking about Neo’s ‘Power’ in the real world. He didn’t just stop sentinels but also the barrage of bombs that are sent his & Trinity’s way as they approach the Machine city.

Interestingly though, he doesn’t show the same level of Power as displayed in the Matrix. He doesn’t fly, his fight with Bane is very human and he doesn’t seem to have any effect on anything other than the Machine, and that effect is only to stop them.

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Background info

The machines, having long studied men’s simple, protein based bodies.... -Animatrix.

One thing the machines know all about is: ‘The bioelectric, thermal and Kinetic energies of the human body’. They have us internally ‘wired’ to this effect from when we are grown, so that they can control and use every part of us.

Their understanding of us ‘technically’ is much advanced and almost certainly far more accomplished than we had ever achieved.

Morpheus: This is my ship, the Nebuchadnezzar. It's a hovercraft. This is the main deck. This is the core where we broadcast our pirate signal and hack into the Matrix.

A person that is jacked in is connected to the ship; the ship sends a broadcast, which has no physical connection to the Matrix.

Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It's designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signal so we can pinpoint your location. (Carrier signals are used in broadcasting)

I think this along with all the other forms of interaction that we see take place within the Matrix i.e. uploading weapons, needed programs etc, reveals that the Matrix operates on a broadcasting basis’s maybe a bit like television or radio, but obviously much more advanced.

The fact that it can be ‘hacked’ into without a direct connection seems to confirm this.

Also we know the ship has to rise to ‘broadcasting depth’. This is still a considerable distance from the surface and from where the bodies in the pods are situated. From this distance the Matrix code is received as we can clearly see it being displayed on monitors within the ship. How?

The Matrix is a wireless broadcast.

Although its participants are physically connected at the back of the head, what facilitates communication is wireless technology. How else could outsiders both broadcast their ‘pirate signal’ and view the contents within the Matrix if this were not so?

Carrier signals are used in broadcasting to quite literally ‘carry’ information on a certain frequency. You tune into a TV/ radio station frequency and the data that is received is converted into sound/picture etc.

Now the bodies in the Matrix have technology within them that generate input/output carrier signals as already mentioned. It seems reasonable to imagine their RSI(matrix-explained.com...) is 'carried' on these signals. When a person dies in the Matrix that signal stops being generated. I noticed this after Trinity’s death in reloaded from the monitor in the ship; it says ‘lost carrier signal’. It’s also how we see Neo’s location determined by disruption of it in M1. Hence why Neo experiences strange goings on – the mirror etc.

Although the primary signal is generated from within the individual, it may need amplification to facilitate transmission across the Matrix in general. However, this story is set in the future and we should not let our imagination limit the scope and sensitivity of technology the AI may have developed.

Could we then imagine that the ‘plug’ at the back of the head could possibly be likened to the plug in the back of a TV system that connects to an Antenna and so receives the signals? But again, obviously much more advanced. Interestingly they are long spikes that are inserted – Antenna?

Thought:
When a tv aerial is plugged in a perfect picture is seen, but when disconnected, sometimes a poor picture can still be achieved if a strong enough signal is present.

Although the Matrix transmission is primarily connected by using specific hardware i.e. spike/antenna and the neural transmitter/receiver in the head set to receive its particular broadcast, it may be possible other signals outside the Matrix, also broadcast over ‘air’ might have an affect on the neural equipment were it to be so ‘attuned’ or set up.

(matrix-explained.com... <-- click)

Now, lets recall what happens with Neo and those Sentinels at the end of reloaded...

After the warning siren sounds to alert the Nebuchadnezzar of the presence of the Sentinels, we see the crew studying the hologram scan of the Sentinels. Neo, to the others amazement can perceive it’s a bomb.

We then see them fleeing the wreckage. Now we see the sentinels moving in, and then ‘hang’ in mid air, looking for activity. This I find interesting and makes me think a great deal about how they ‘Look’ or scan. We know a large part of this function is based on detection of electrical activity, as all electrical devices have to be disabled to evade their detection. They also are in some form of ‘radio’ contact (broadcast) with the Source (Oracle: ‘the Source…that’s what you felt when you touched those sentinels.).

As they are ‘hanging’ and possibly increasing the amplitude of their scanning frequencies searching for activity, we see Neo and crew climbing upwards and away to attempt escape.

Now this is interesting:
Neo’s head is facing backwards toward where the sentinels are; he’s also gaining a little more height as he climbs. We then see him stop dead in his tracks, like he’s just picked something up. He then says ‘something different. I can feel them’. In that moment we also see the sentinels respond, turning and rushing towards him.

Is this a reasonable start to explaining how Neo is still in some form of connection with the Source? He may possibly recognise its frequencies, and thus be able to tune into it, especially as we know he already has a special relationship to the Source.

Imagining the ‘AI’s’ technological equipment within him helps me understand how it could be contributory to ‘Altering His Consciousness’ and gaining a perception to the Source’s signal in the real world. This signal would almost certainly be broadcast widely within the Machine world and Neo may well be able to receive it more or less, depending on his distance from it.

Agents:
Morpheus explains... ‘They are the gatekeepers. They are guarding all the doors. They are holding all the keys, which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them.’

Although Smith doesn’t directly mention the exchange has been two-way its reasonable to consider that some part of Smith may have been imprinted onto Neo, something overwritten or copied. Hence the gift – the earplug.

Interesting it’s his communication device. Made me think too, that it may work outside the Matrix: ‘If an agent got the codes and got into Zion's mainframe, they could destroy us’ –Tank M1

From what we’ve seen it probably facilitates a direct line involving the Source, ‘deploy the sentinels’ etc –M1. Maybe it incorporates the code for the Sources signal, channel or frequency etc. If its somehow imprinted over Neo, affecting his neural transmitter/receiver etc, then that would further explain how he could have access to the Sources signal outside the Matrix. He’d be ‘tuned in’ so to speak.

What may be more important than the visible plug we see at the back of the head is the technology within that sends/receives the signals, as open air broadcast would not be hindered by Neo’s flesh.

Thinking about Neo’s experience in technical terms when he ‘Touches the Source’, could be likened to an overload of signal that he receives as the sentinels close in and he and the Source recognise each others presence in the real world and everything kind of goes ‘bang’.

Surly this is reasonable enough to explain his trauma that could effectively of ‘blown his mind’ and left him in a state of overload, with his psyche in some form of subconscious connection to the Signal. Thus resulting in his Coma or ‘limbo’ (Mobil Ave) like state. Don’t forget its not the Matrix.


Neo’s Sight

Also would this explain how Neo can ‘see’ the sources energy in the real world? His brain receiving the source signal/code, via his converted neural receiver etc. If I remember rightly that’s all that he can see. He doesn’t see Trinity or the Ship etc. He can see Smith, but smith/program’s code/signal may be emanating from banes neural transmitter?

The Matrix is a wireless broadcast. Human individuals are interactively connected to this broadcast via special equipment.

Neo has a connection to the Source (Machine Mainframe) enabling his power within the Matrix. This develops and Neo attains the Machines signal in the real world.

His fight with a gatekeeper (agent Smith M1), may have gained him a key, contributing to this connection.

Although this may be a reasonable possibility explaining how Neo’s connection works, what it doesn’t explain is why Neo has the Sources power inside the Matrix in the first place and why he can bend much of it to his will. Although he doesn’t seem to actually have ‘control’ outside of the Matrix, why can he still stop machines?

But that’s another subject, and has much to do with the nature of the Anomaly.

yuhh, i think your damn right with what you^re saying.

How about this.... NEO^s Visions / Dreams might be due to some matrix-stuff hacking wirelessly into NEO^s neuronal system... Maybe the oracle...

Please give me a hint to my other topic about Sati, The KID ....

I^d appreciate that.
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I’m not so sure Neo can pick up the Matrix feed as that seems to facilitate a secure connection i.e. jacking in etc. We see him jacked in after his visit with the Oracle in M3 and his rescue from Mobile Ave.

But it does open up other possibilities that he may be receiving a lot of info due to the Source that he can ‘Feel’ –(ending M1) both in the Matrix and now outside. But this also seems to depend on his ‘awareness’ as the Oracle is always reminding him... ‘know thy self’.


Neo's dream

The interesting aspect about Trinity entering the Matrix in M2 etc, is it is based on events outside the Matrix, so this makes it very difficult to draw conclusions that the Oracle is using her abilities to calculate/predict , as she would be unable to ‘see’ that far. She even asks Neo ‘what happens’ in M2. It is just as difficult to explain how Neo can see it too. I think this is where causality within the known sphere of the Matrix may hit the road.

Check this post: matrix-explained.com... <-- click

i allready knew most of that....im smart!

Ya....ok

Good job Inevitability. I agree with everything you've said. Almost everything....I dont think Neo got this ability from Smith. I think it was one of his abilities from the beginning.

Yea it could be.

I just thought it was interesting Smith making a point of giving Neo the earplug. Seemed a bit strange if all it was for was to give him a message that he’s now unplugged. Also the gatekeeper stuff and the need to fight Agents that Morpheus mentions?

But I agree, the fact that the Source indirectly empowered Neo from the beginning would be reasonable enough to explain his ‘Altered Consciousness’ and eventual awareness of the Machines signal in the real world. As he says at the end of M1 ‘I can feel you now’

Also another thought I just had was in response to asking the Oracle in M3 about his power, she doesn’t mention Smith but says it came from the Source.

Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from
Neo: Where?
Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt…etc

So Neo has this connection with the Source all along. He develops it in the Matrix and after the Arc encounter and the power of Love with Trinity, the connection has intensified. He can now feel the Source’s energy/presence all the more, and I believe the Source can now feel him more too.

Bang! An explosion of cosmic emotions!

It’s beginning to hit them like a Hammer!

That is very good Inevitability & I enjoyed it very much. I hadn't analyzed alot of what you outlined. All that 1st part seems dead on.
On how, is very good.

Here's a WILD IDEA (like so much initial rabid speculation, It's hard to sit back & think all thru before saying anything, even outlandish thoughts):

I have considered that tech wise the matrix possibly could exist in the air or space alone to an extent w/out a mainframe like a big hard drive. I guess it would be a technology that can use the atomic structure in space to tie the data onto. With this thought, you could say everything really was taking place in the real world...but more on the atomic level, but still real nonetheless. Would help on the overlappings of the worlds or constructs.

your talking about the same technology like the holodeck in star trek correct? uh oh...its out...

btw i read in popular mechanics or some other science mag that scientist have bonded matter onto a light particle thus making the holodeck a possibility....i wil try and find that article..

Very good explanation Inevitability. Just as I allways thought, you just brought out the juicy details about the procedure.

Inevitability wrote:

Neo has a connection to the Source (Machine Mainframe) enabling his power within the Matrix. This develops and Neo attains the Machines signal in the real world. Although this may be a reasonable possibility explaining how Neo’s connection works, what it doesn’t explain is why Neo has the Sources power inside the Matrix in the first place and why he can bend much of it to his will. Although he doesn’t seem to actually have ‘control’ outside of the Matrix, why can he still stop machines?

He has a connection with the Source because he originated from it. The whole Matrix has been coded/written by the Architect, but it was compiled to active data by the Source. That's the way in works in the programming-world. A programmer writes source-code after which it can be compiled into an executable program.

So Neo has the potential within him to also bend the rules within the Source. When he uses the key to go to the Architect, he enters the Source. That's his first contact with the Source and that's why he now understands it's signal; he has seen it and discovered it when he entered the door of light.
He only starts to feel the Sentinels after he directly returned from the Architect/Source. So this HAS to be the point where he discovered and understood the Source(-signal).

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His fight with a gatekeeper (agent Smith M1), may have gained him a key, contributing to this connection.

That's a plausible argument, but I personally don't think so.
Neo hacked Smith, it was not the other way around. So Smith did not inprint anything upon Neo.

Neo feeling Smith coming at the beginning of M2 (and feeling other things as well) has nothing to do with the Source. He's a god within the Matrix. He can fight an agent blindly. So it is most logical that he feels things that are approaching him.

The gift Smith gave Neo is purely symbolic. It indeed implies that he now no longer works for the system and that he is going to bother him (after building up a larger army of Smiths).

mobil wrote

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He only starts to feel the Sentinels after he directly returned from the Architect/Source. So this HAS to be the point where he discovered and understood the Source(-signal).

i didn't think the architect's room was the source...the only reason being, is that the architect say once he chooses the right door then it will LEAD him to the source, so i'm not sure when neo could have "touched" the source..

Ya we know.

But Mobil meant that thats the point at which Neo felt the Source. Because he was interacting with the system so greatly- going to the Architect's chamber, coming back from it- thats why his connection to the Source grew stronger.

The Architect's chamber is probably an individual program, like the Matrix, running separately from the Matrix.

Now that Inevitability has explained this in a detailed way, I thought of something while I watched a part of Revolutions.

When the Sentinels are in Zion, they receive the broadcasted command from Deus Ex Machina that they should apply to a truce.
The Sentinels are able to communicate with the Source all the way down in Zion, while the rebels must fly to a higher surface in order to communicate with the Source/Matrix.
So apparently the broadcasting strength of the machines is much better then the broadcasting strength that the rebels use.

So now that we know that broadcasting signals from the machines can reach Zion and that the the head-plug is still sensitive to signals when they are not plugged in, this could explain some things...

This could explain why the machines and the Oracle know certain things that happen and are going to happen in the Real World.

This does not mean that Zion is another Matrix. It means that the machines could be able to send certain signals that subconsiously influence the people of Zion.
The Zionites do not interact with it, they just get 'whispered' certain things into their subconsious minds.

This could also explain why Cypher did not kill Tank in M1 and that Neo was saved in the nick of time.

Any opinions on this?

Thats a very good idea,
wish id have thought of it
I think thats a good theory and could possibly be done by the machines but I dont beleive that it was done in the movies because if they could do that zion would have been destroyed by itself ages ago, Also they bargain with cypher when they could have just subconsciously puppetered him to betray his fellow rebels. Also neo can only receive the broadcast when he is at broadcast level. The sentinals that recieve the transmissions in zion must have a much wider reception (they have to use sattelite receivers to get the broadcast and supports my last point)

Still great stuff!

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"Muuh! This is a very exciting time"

Very plausible indeed. Funny I was thinking of the same thing today.

I had thought about this when making the Post. But I don’t think this is happening, because firstly we see the sentinels respond at the same time as Neo does when he senses the Sentinels, as if the connection becomes two way and they’ve just picked it up.

So why couldn’t they pick up before? And detect the other crewmembers?

Also when they got real close to the Neb in M1 and even scanned in its direction they would have been able to detect the crews neural transmitters/receivers etc.

I think the equipment within the head was not intentionally designed to work outside the Matrix, as there was no need.

Neo being ‘powered’ by the Source, the Machine Mainframe undoubtedly has great potential in obtaining this signal as he grows in his awareness of the AI and feels its presence more strongly.

Inevitability wrote:

I think the equipment within the head was not intentionally designed to work outside the Matrix, as there was no need.

The systemic anomaly was inevitable and predicted to happen. So why not adjust (some) plugs to help this out?

They won't interfere with Zion too much. Zion is needed to grow. Without it, each 'Morpheus' would not be found/motivated and in the end the One would not be found which is crucial for the Matrix to function.

The machines might just interfear on important moments, which are crucial for future events.

Moments like:

-Councelour Hamann supporting Morpheus and Neo (he has a plug too)
-The Kid bringing the spoon, preventing Bane from stabbing Neo
-Neo's repeating dreams of Trinity falling. This is needed; by these dreams he advises Trinity not to go into the Matrix, which is exactly what the machines want.
-Neo deciding to go up above the clouds

Also in M1 the things could be plannend. They didn't want to 'whisper' into Cypher that he should kill the crew himself. This not what the machines want; they want the One to be found.

Cypher's betrayal was needed. He initiated the great event for Neo into becoming the One.

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Also when they got real close to the Neb in M1 and even scanned in its direction they would have been able to detect the crews neural transmitters/receivers etc.

Doesn't have to be. In the end the Sentinels are also 'stupid' programs which only can do things that they have authority to. Maybe they are programmed (the orange-code) to ignore this type of signal and only scan for body heat.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

When the Sentinels are in Zion, they receive the broadcasted command from Deus Ex Machina that they should apply to a truce. The Sentinels are able to communicate with the Source all the way down in Zion, while the rebels must fly to a higher surface in order to communicate with the Source/Matrix. So apparently the broadcasting strength of the machines is much better then the broadcasting strength that the rebels use.

I don't think the signal from Zion is able to reach the surface. It is close to the Earth core and wireless signal are not really going through that mass of matter.

Sentinels in Zion may have connection with the Source simply via another sentinels: from one to another, all the way down.

Nevertheless, this is wonderfull thread. Inevitability, you have done a good deal of thinking and i almost completely agree with you. Even the thing with Smith's earplug is somehow plausible, at least that it symbolizes Agents' connection with the source.

About the Mobil Ave, Neo maybe connected to the RSI software in his plug - like that he broadcasted and received only from himself. Some kind of short circuit. When the ship get to the broadcasting depth, Neo awaken into the Mobil Ave - he recieved a signal of programmes traveling into the matrix. They were in the Machine network (golden glow) and it could be that they were just waiting for a Trainman - a program that would encode their signal into a matrix-compatibleble form.

titek wrote:

Sentinels in Zion may have connection with the Source simply via another sentinels: from one to another, all the way down.

Nice one.
I believe that’s what we see in Rev – one sentinel transmitting to the other to facilitate communication.

I already explained all that in another topic. Except that I explained Neo had powers in the matrix because the anomaly and the program they call "the one" are two different things. The anomaly comes from a bug in the matrix while the One has been created in the source to beter control the anomaly.

Btw, Neo collapse because, by destroying sentinels, he just cut the link, wich is as if he got disconnected suddenly ("you should be dead,but you werenot ready" said the oracle).