»Basic Meaning of the Zion Rave Scene«

You've probably heard of all these theories regarding the Zion rave. The fact that it's a scene to show how human we are. The fact that most of Zion residents are African-American, and this parallels the history of slavery and freedom, etc.

But here's my basic opinion on the subject, which is whole lot less complex than "The fire is symbolic 'cause..." etc.:

Neo chooses to be with Trinity instead of the rest of Zion.
At the end, Neo chooses the door to Trinity instead of saving the entire human race.

Rave scene= foreshadowing

I think it was intentional. Why?
a) Neo remembers seeing Trinity wounded and falling towards the end of the love scene.
b) The music at the end of the love scene (which is actually Don Davis's basic Neo-Trinity love theme) is the same that is played when Neo resurrects Trinity at the end (I've only seen RELOADED once, but I've heard the soundtrack a thousand times, so that's how I know).
c) When Neo asks the Oracle if Trinity will die, the Oracle said, "You've already made that decision." Neo did...in Zion.

Comments?

some nice connections...

@ Dear BatmAngelus

Your argument is based on the conclusion that :

Quote:

Neo chooses to be with Trinity instead of the rest of Zion. At the end, Neo chooses the door to Trinity instead of saving the entire human race.

The Architect:
An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth.......She is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.............Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously. . .. . .the source of your greatest strength
and your greatest weakness.

Neo: She starts to fall, and then I wake up.
Oracle:Do you see her die?
Neo:No.
Oracle:You have the sight now, Neo.You are looking at the world
without time.
Noe:Then why can`t I see what happens to her?
Oracle:We can never see past the choices we don`t understand.
Neo:Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?
Oracle:No, you`ve already made the choice.Now you have to understand it.

Neo does not choose Trinity over Zion, or instead of it.I cannot find any plot point from which I could draw the same conclusion as you did.

I have highlighted the word "Hope", Neo "hoped" to undertake an action which would in result in saving both Trinity and Zion.What would be the point if Zion in saving Trinity when she is destined to die in 24 hours?

The Oracle says, Neo has already made the choice...- Many argue there`s no reason to believe that Oracle is always right or says the truth-, but in this case either way this is the truth.
She does not say that she knows what choice Neo has already made, only that he has "made" the choice, since he saw "Where the path of the One ends".
Oracle says the reason Neo cannot see past his choice is because he does not understand his choice.....
Like Neo, Oracle can only see and prophesize up to the point "the One" reaches the Source or "Where the path of the One ends".
On the other hand Neo could not see past his choice -which was a determinant of Trinity`s life- at that point.
Neo could not see if Trinity lives or dies.....In the dream he only saw her taking lethal injury while falling from the Skycraper.....reason enough to "make one believe" that she`ll die..........
There`s no spoon.....
At the end of his conversation with the Architect, Neo understands his choice, therefore he sees past his "choice"..........

This may sound vague, nevertheless is as far as the movie wants us to understand withouht conclusions based on "Speculation".

Your reasons are also not convincing.........
1)The movie begins with Neo`s "Dream".......The Love sequence is not the End of the Rave sequence, they ran parallel to each other.
2) Although a very weak argument -no offense please-, the music is not the same, after carefully listening for 6 times after reading your post, the undertones at the end of of the Love scene after the conversation between Neo and Trinity when the camera zooms out, sounded somehow like the "undertones" exaclty before the restoration scene.At least I can not draw anything on that point.
3)Why?......Even if he made the choice in Zion, what revelance is there to the issue, he did not undestood his choice, he could not see "past" his choice, and he could not see "past" his choice at the even very beginning then again in Zion..........

This is my argument.......On this basis I cannot agree with you.

Would you also please comment on my argument.

Regards,

Atreides

Big argument here. No offense, but I think you went a little too far (6 times???)...

Re: my evidence

1) I wasn't talking about Neo's dream of Trinity in the beginning. I remember him seeing a shot of Trinity fall (from his dreams) in his mind's eye towards the end of the love sequence.

2) Same tune. Different key and different notes. But the same tune, unless I've mistaken parts of "The Matrix Reloaded Suite" on THE MATRIX RELOADED: ALBUM for other parts of the film (remember, I've only seen RELOADED once).

3) I never stated that Neo would know or understand the choice. Point was that he MADE the choice with "Trinity over others" and that's why the Oracle says, "You've already made that choice." I agree that Neo doesn't know what she means and still doesn't understand that choice UNTIL he has the conversation with the Architect.

I was given the impression that if he chose the other door, then he wouldn't have been able to save Trinity, but he would've saved the human race and re-build Zion. Clarify that for me if I'm wrong.

I was saying that choosing Trinity over Zion in the Rave Sequence kinda parallels him saving her instead of the HUMAN RACE. I wasn't trying to say that he chose Trinity over ZION in the Architect scene. If I gave that impression, then I'm sorry.

Not sure what you mean by, "What would be the point if Zion in saving Trinity when she is destined to die in 24 hours?"

So, story-wise the Zion rave/love sequence really has nothing to do with the Architect scene, but SYMBOLICALLY it does, IMO.

P.S. This was also prominent in the beginning of the first one. Why have Neo arrive late to work if his boss wouldn't foreshadow what was to come? ("You think the rules don't apply to you"- Rhineheart) Same goes with the scene beforehand with Choi ("You are my savior, man, my own personal Jesus Christ"- Choi.) Sure, Neo needed to see the white rabbit, but the scene could've gone differently and could've still have had the "Follow the White Rabbit".