»Downloading Music? Stealing, supporting or convenient!«

This is awesome. I knew that even the voice of Reason could not convince any of you that what you are doing is wrong. The power of "want" is so often more powerful than the intellect. Keep pointing the finger at the music industry, and everyone other than yourself. It will make you feel better.... temporarily.

Stinkz wrote -

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The power of "want" is so often more powerful than the intellect.

Just what are you trying to say? YOU can be very rude at times.

Who the hell do you think you are insulting our intelligence?

If I want something, I get it....If it is free to me that's even better...If people are willing to share with me that's just great...Don't you EVER insult my intelligence.
I can be just as insulting, especially to someone who likes to make people think that he is as pure as the driven snow...give us a bloody break

Are you a moron?

How old are Stinkz, because you remind me of my grandfather...are you and my grandfather maybe friends?

so are you telling me you don't download music? Because you might hurt the feelings of the music industry? Sucking out all of there money?

''Wow a great song maybe I should download it...but what about the poor music industry....I might hurt theyr feelings, guess i'l just go and complain about people stealing with my non stop BS''

what is the problem, do you feel like you have to take up the glove for these people. This is not stealing, just like I say'd in my previous post

''is taking a picture of a page in a book and then reading reading the text from the picture stealing? Because you didn't buy the page? sure it would if you would later claim that you wrote this page and tried to publish the page. and copy/paste....stealing?''

The point is that if you take a book and write your name over the name of the author and then claim that you wrote the book is stealing but you are not doing that with music when you download it unless you would then claim that you wrote that song.

Sorry if you are not getting my point, kinda hard for me to explain because of lack of vocabulary

So I'll just try to make it simple, you say that downloading music is stealing,
and almost everybody else disagrees with you....and when that happends you go and insult people. You have no good thesis to prove we are wrong. Nothing.

Stinkz:
You moron. There are still laws against it, making it illegal. That is the reason they can still profit on music and videos.

There are also laws againt all kinds of stuff...like drinking when you are not old enough....but there is no bitching about that. The only problem in Iceland with underage drinking is just because drinking degrates the person that is drunk. But when the police see a 16 year old guy drinking, there is no fuss. And your parents usually don't mind cause they drank them selfs....

The only people that complain are old people. So please tell me Stinkz, how old are you, do you drink, if so, how old were you when you started drinking?






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Pawnatron wrote:

The only people that complain are old people. So please tell me Stinkz, how old are you, do you drink, if so, how old were you when you started drinking?

The correct question would be whether Strinkz has ever used a VCR to tape something from TV. Because that would be stealing in his definition.

stinkz wrote:

This is awesome. I knew that even the voice of Reason could not convince any of you that what you are doing is wrong. The power of "want" is so often more powerful than the intellect. Keep pointing the finger at the music industry, and everyone other than yourself. It will make you feel better.... temporarily.

ive never downloaded a song or film that i can buy legally IN MY LIFE

and if i did or not...it still doesnt excuse the music industry from exploiting children does it...it child labour and its illegal under any other profession

"Aggression against other thinkers...."

Calling yourself a "thinker" for justifying your actions is your first mistake. Even the most naiive of children do this.
If you were truly a "thinker" you would be able to reason outside of your self-centered biases and realize the truth. The truth is, it is not just big-name companies that benefit from cd or video sales. And, even if they were, that would not justify stealing their profit.

Also, I would hardly call name-calling "aggressive."

Þú ert nú meira fíflið Stinkz....

Hey....I once saw a video with Bill Hicks called 'It's just a ride', then later i saw another video. And it was really funny. Then later at school i told a friend a joke that Hicks sayd....is that stealing? Because now my friend dosn't have to buy the video, he can just ask me to tell him all the jokes

Nice one Pawnatron!

stinkz wrote:

Calling yourself a "thinker" for justifying your actions is your first mistake. Even the most naiive of children do this. If you were truly a "thinker" you would be able to reason outside of your self-centered biases and realize the truth. The truth is, it is not just big-name companies that benefit from cd or video sales. And, even if they were, that would not justify stealing their profit.

Let's count the invalidations:
*Calling yourself a "thinker" is your first mistake
*justifying your actions
*Even the most naiive of children do this
*If you were ... a "thinker"
*you would be able to reason
*self-centered
*biases
*you would be able to...realize the truth
*The truth is....
*stealing

Stinkz, this thread must drive you really mad, right?

You don't answer any of the questions but merely continue to talk about how other are wrong and how you are right.

Well, it will make you feel better.... temporarily.

But on the day of judgement, Christ will ask you: "What did YOU do to fight against unjust laws? I made art so everybody can enjoy life, but you support those who charge you for reading, listening and breathing. Stinkz, you will not be allowed to listen to music in the heavens until you pay for it. But unfortunately there are no trousers in heaven and thus no pockets"

Knn wrote -

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But unfortunately there are no trousers in heaven and thus no pockets"

This is very true

I agree that downloading of music is fighting the SYSTEM not giving-in to it.

unjust laws? Hahaha. What injustice is the music industry doing to you? Are you entitled to be provided with any and every type of music for free? It's a shame the founding fathers missed that inalienable right when forming the Constitution.

stinkz wrote:

unjust laws?

1) The laws are unjust because the music industry was lobbying the hell out of the MPs.
2) Unjust because the criminalize nearly every youngster
3) Unjust because the music industry forbids you to drink water for free, but doesn't make other water (even for money) available
4) Unjust laws because they punish the majority and favour monopolies
5) Unjust laws because the copyright is waaaay too long
6) Unjust because you cannot even upload music that is not longer available. If I were king (hehe) I would make a strict rule: If a title is not available for longer than 2 years, then off the copyright goes.

I am pretty sure copyright laws will change. And the (even greater) idiocy of patent laws, too. But that's another thread. Actually I should make a website purely dedicated to patents and software patents (which are forbidden in most of the countries).

You never once answered the question, oh intelligent one. What injustice is the music industry doing to you?

stinkz wrote:

You never once answered the question, oh intelligent one. What injustice is the music industry doing to you?

*Creating a bad, lawyer-soaked atmosphere
*Creating audio-CDs that I cannot copy onto my computer
*Criminalizing everyone (wrong target, dear music industry) while at the same time not offering legal possibilities.

knnknn wrote:

*Creating a bad, lawyer-soaked atmosphere

I'm sorry, this is not the music industry's fault; its the P2P industry's.

knnknn wrote:

*Creating audio-CDs that I cannot copy onto my computer

So now they are at fault for creating new technology?

knnknn wrote:

Criminalizing everyone (wrong target, dear music industry) while at the same time not offering legal possibilities.

I'm sorry, they aren't criminalizing everyone. Only someone who was a self-centered downloader could see the criminalizing of himself and his friends as the criminalizing of "everyone."

Stinkz wrote -

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Only someone who was a self-centered downloader could see the criminalizing of himself and his friends as the criminalizing of "everyone."

That's me - - - A Criminal and a self-centered one at that...

stinkz wrote:

If you were truly a "thinker" you would be able to reason outside of your self-centered biases and realize the truth.

Wow, talk about google.com....

Hey how about a "Pot & Kettle" Emoticon for just such an occasion.

stinkz wrote:

knnknn wrote: *Creating audio-CDs that I cannot copy onto my computer So now they are at fault for creating new technology?

Stinkz, such answers of yours show me that you didn't follow the discussion regarding crippled CDs lately. I cannot copy an audio CDs that I have legally bought onto my harddrive because the music industry on purpose creates faulty CDs.

I still don't know why you protect these guys. You didn't give any answers so far.

Do you own a TV set? Or does your religion say it's a waste of time? Do you do sports? Or is the end of the world too near to waste your time with that?

knnknn wrote:

I still don't know why you protect these guys. You didn't give any answers so far.

I'm not "protecting" anyone. I have no ties to the music industry. I just believe in the principle of Justice over the principle of Self-interest which has become so popular. I know that a "just man," in the platonic sense, would do unto others as he would have them do unto him. That is the right way to live.

knnknn wrote:

such answers of yours show me that you didn't follow the discussion regarding crippled CDs lately.

There is hardly any justification for calling them "crippled." They work in every known audio device.

knnknn wrote:

Do you own a TV set? Or does your religion say it's a waste of time?

No one needs "religion" in order to see that TV is a waste of time.

stinkz wrote:

I'm not "protecting" anyone. I have no ties to the music industry. I just believe in the principle of Justice over the principle of Self-interest which has become so popular.

I am thankful that you admit that Jesus' legal torture and crucification was just and noone sinned.

stinkz wrote:

There is hardly any justification for calling them "crippled." They work in every known audio device.

This is wrong and shows me that you didn't follow the cases indeed.
Not only don't they work in older CDplayers, they fail often in car CD players and moreover the errors on some them have been artificially increased, so that they will fail much sooner than uncrippled CDs when the error correction has to deal with those artificial errors AND real scratches.

knnknn wrote:

I am thankful that you admit that Jesus' legal torture and crucification was just and noone sinned.

Are you kidding me? This reply makes absolutely no sense, especially in light of my most recent post. I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand what Justice actually means

knnknn wrote:

Not only don't they work in older CDplayers, they fail often in car CD players and moreover the errors on some them have been artificially increased, so that they will fail much sooner than uncrippled CDs when the error correction has to deal with those artificial errors AND real scratches.

Is that... whining i hear? You can complain all day, but it's not making me feel sorry for you. I deal with the same problems, and once again, its the P2P industry's fault. If you weren't stealing, there would be no need for copy-protection. Never thought of that one, did ya?

what does the p2p networks have to do with the music industry producing deliberately faulty and short life discs and so force people do buy multilpe copies of the same cd?

you may remember that the cd was heralded as a medium that would not fade as audio tapes did...the record companies thought..."hey...thats not good...that'll reduce our massive profit margins...i know...well make them deliberatly faulty..marvelous...big pat on the back and another big fat pay check...great"

I have been informed by someone 'within the computer industry', not to waste my money on a new CD/RW or a new DVD/RW anytime soon.

The CD & DVD format is changing and the RW's on the market at the moment are not going to be worth the metal and chips...

I was going to invest in a brand new drive with a huge capacity, but I'm going to hold -back for the time-being until I get more insider information...

I will of course keep you all informed...

stinkz wrote:

knnknn wrote: I am thankful that you admit that Jesus' legal torture and crucification was just and noone sinned. Are you kidding me? This reply makes absolutely no sense, especially in light of my most recent post.

Stinkz, I simply don't get you. On the one hand you protect the music industry because some of their wishes are chiseled in laws and thus punishing uploaders is simply justice, on the other hand you deny that Jesus' torture and prosecution was legal under the laws at that time?

the anomaly wrote:

what does the p2p networks have to do with the music industry producing deliberately faulty and short life discs

Wow. I really thought you guys could see something that simple. I once again have overestimated you.
If downloading and file-sharing were not an issue, the companies which sold the most reliable CD's would get the most business. However, because of people's blatant disregard for property rights, the music industry is forced to create faulty CD's in order to make profit at all.

knnknn wrote:

some of their wishes are chiseled in laws

Once again, you assume that any law which doesn't happen to be to your liking is held in place by the wishes of big companies which are only there to rip you off. Justice is not necessarily what the laws are; you know this. However, neither is Justice merely whatever is in one's own interest.