»my anti-Anti-One statement. dammit.«

DesmondE wrote:

NEO HAD NO CHOICE! What was he going to do? Let Zion be destroyed? Let all the people in the Matrix be replicated? He gave in to what he had to do as the hero in the story.

ah, and here we come to the crux of my point. the previous five Ones would have ended the movie in Reloaded, right? that's because (dun-dun-dun) things were different this time around. not just one or two things, either, which is why i think that the Anti-One-in-every-version notion is complete and utter tripe.

funny that you join the thread and make these long posts, but have yet to address the main point of the thread.

*waits*

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funny that you join the thread and make these long posts, but have yet to address the main point of the thread.

True, true, true, but yet neither have i but i do have to say i agree with you. things were different this time around. i dont think there was an anti one until neo merged with smith in the first movie.

I thought that Mr Anti One himself made a comment about that to himself in the second movie?
No?
"This is happening exactly as it did before"
And then, just as the camera reveals that there are 2 Agents, the other smith smiles and says, "no not exactly"

This would lead me to believe that he had been around before. And if a very important aspect of the plot was the existence of the "anti-one" is a direct result of the existence of "the one" I would believe there could not be one without the other. Isnt that the reason that they both disappear at the end?
And back to the "crux" of your point....
At what time in any of the movies, was it stated, who created the "anti one smith" or Neo for that matter. Why is it that you believe that the Architect wanted nothing more than to enlighten Neo when he arrived at the building that, by the way is inside of the matrix? The existing controls for the one were manipulation. Why else do you think the Oracle would know all the people. Humans reject the direect control by always fighting it. So a more suttlwe approach was found, where people were given a choice set inside parameters and by controlling those parameters they could influence the final choice that the humans would make. Its no secret. Our government uses the EXACT same concept for controlling our populations.
The one is an embodiment of humans ability to overcome when things are at their worst. Our greatest strength is hope. what separates us from machines is that we do hope. More importantly, we think illogically. Which is why the architect has such a hard time with the control systems that he uses. Or didnt you get that. There was this statement that came again and again beginnings and ends.
If there were no anti ones before why would there be one there now?
And why would the story pick up for us during the sixth?

and you point is?

DesmondE wrote:

If there were no anti ones before why would there be one there now?

i think that Smith's develpment as a balance to Neo and the Neo + Trinity love thing that kept Neo in the Matrix were both due to subtle (and some not-so-subtle) machinations (if you'll excuse the pun) of the Oracle. if you'd bothered to really read the thread, you'd know what i think.

but i guess you don't have time for all that, huh?

DesmondE wrote:

This would lead me to believe that he had been around before. And if a very important aspect of the plot was the existence of the "anti-one" is a direct result of the existence of "the one" I would believe there could not be one without the other. Isnt that the reason that they both disappear at the end?

and again, i've already addressed this. read the thread so i don't have to repeat myself so fucking much. but, since i guess you still don't have time for that, let me recap, in short: get a dictionary, read the definition of "remainder" and then come back to the thread and tell me that there was always a balance for the One. i insist.

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read the thread so i don't have to repeat myself

I think that desmonde writes so much in his posts that he is too lazy to read other peoples posts!

DesmondE is a clever guy.

I think you guys suffer from arrogancy.
Grendelvs, why do you allways have to downgrade people with your posts?
Maybe you are frustrated that you are wrong, just like you never really answered my last posts about the Anti One.

Smith is a reflection of Neo.
Neo is different from the other Ones, so Smith is different from the other Anti Ones. He thinks he is going to succeed.
That's the part about "well not exactly".
Or maybe he was referring to the fact that Neo beats three agents with ease, just like before.

It sure as hell is no solid proof that Smith is the first Anti One.

no, there's not.

however, it is a much, MUCH smaller stretch to suppose that this is the first time we've seen an Anti-One. and, i have some evidence to the contrary, but again, everyone is all ga-ga over "balance" that simple definitions of other things that we heard first have slipped away.

people pounced on the idea of the Anti-One without really thinking about it, and now you all are so in love with the idea that you're not willing to entertain the notion that there wasn't always an Anti-One.

again, i have no problem with the Anti-One this time around. none, whatsoever. however, if this time had gone as the last times, then the Matrix would have been destroyed because of the Anti-One.

i disregard the argument that the One code that is reinserted somehow nullifys the powers of the Anti-One...preposterous! Smith's first power, replication, is just an extension of his original Agent properties. think about it...Agents use the system to jump from body to body. since Smith has been disconnected from the system, he has to have direct contact with his new host. also, Smith knows that if the host is destroyed, so will he be. it only makes sense for him to make copies instead of going from body to body. or perhaps, he found that he couldn't jump from one body to another through direct contact and ended up making a copy instead.

whichever the case, the replicating power is separate from his brush with Neo...whatever was left behind, the repication is not a result of that. unless, as i've said before, it's his new willingness to break the rules.

as obtuse as the Wachowski brothers can be, there are some very, very obvious things that they show us in the movies, be it through visuals or through different character's speeches (Agent Smith, the Oracle, the Architect, the Merovingian, whomever). one of those things is that Neo (or the One, rather) is unique. again, a remainder. something accounted for, predictable...and something that they know how to deal with and counter-act. the very purpose of the One is to first exist and then to stabilize the Matrix. the very idea that there was always something as a balance to the remainder is contrary to the entire speech that the Architect gave.

a lot of the other answers we have about the Matrix came from these speeches. if we choose to disregard the speeches as lies, or to assume that they left (important!) bits out for convenience's sake is to throw almost every other thing we know about the basic truths of the Matrix Trilogy into doubt.

every aspect of the trilogy has some sort of canon. some truth that is unassailable. the Architect's speech is one of them. if you don't accept that, then what's the point of debating? we have to have some basis of truth and canon for our arguments, or else we end up contradicting ourselves. a lot.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Maybe you are frustrated that you are wrong, just like you never really answered my last posts about the Anti One.

you mean this from the second page?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

The Architect puts (counter)variables into the equation. After he has put a program into the Matrix/equation, it will work it's way in the equation and affect other variables. As soon as the Architect has created a variable and let it loose into the Matrix, he cannot fully control it anymore. He has to wait and see what effect it will have within the equation. He programmed Smith to be frustrated/bittered/sadistic. The other agents don't have this problem. Just look at both films! The new agent Johnson (main agent) also has sadistic and frustrating facial expressions. So he is allready designed to counter the 7th One in the 7th cycle.

again, you're ignoring a basic truth. you keep saying that the Architect introduced the Anti-One to pressure the One into destroying Zion and reloading the Matrix. this makes absolutely no sense. and while some of your other arguments have some on-screen proof, where's the proof for this? if there would be any, it would be in the Architect's speech. but there's no mention there. we could look to the Oracle for an answer...just so happens that there is a snippet of the Oracle's speech that's in direct contradiction to your idea. or is that too inconvenient?

Grendelvs

If I have the time?
Please, youll get what you get. I dont take requests. I think you should stop insulting the intelligence of the people who are responding to your posts by condescending everyone with your obvious misunderstanding of both the subject matter and this nonsense about your dictionary and the meaning of the "remainder".
As the socratic method doesn't work for you and suggestive conversation is impossible for you. Ill spell it out as ironclad as possible.
There is no way you will ever know who was involved in, or what transpired in the previous versions of the matrix as absolute fact.
Now that that is out of the way lets et back to speculation as thats all we can do.
Were there other "Anti Ones"?
Possible. On one hand there may have been some other threat to humans that would require the dependance attachment to the One. But the architect says:

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Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One.

Sounds like there is a threat that is created as to promote this attachment to the one. What other threat would have been better than an "Anti One". Maybe created by the oracle. Who, sacrificed herself to strengthen the threat to an uncontrollable level.
But who knows.
As for the remainder thing. The statement was:

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Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here.

Lets look at it in parts.
Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix.
Neo is not the remainder, but the sum of the remainder. We know from "simple arithmetic" that the sum is the result. So the result of a remainder is not the same as the remainder itself.

He further backs this up with his next statement which is:
You are the eventuality of an anomaly,
you are what happens as a result of the anomaly.
Not the anomaly itself. Is this thing on?

which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision.
I think you got this part right?

While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here.
So the measures of control are what led Neo to this point?... Wait a minute. Didnt the Oracle tell him to go there in the first place? I wonder why she would have done that. You think that means that the Architect and the Oracle might have been working together? At least having sex on a regular basis? I doubt he would have said this if he was totally in the dark until Neo showed up. But he could have been lying.

Dont know. But the point is that there are alot of possibilities and differing ideas about the trilogy, and one of the great things about them is that they are so open for possibility. They play out many different ways and you will get feedback from all angles. These people have been giving you all types of ideas that support and contradict your ideas, but it looks like you just wanted to try and shoot some people down for the hell of it. These people are just as intelligent as you and alot of them expressed ideas that had alot of meaning and really opened up the story for me personally and I am sure for others. This forum is not your place to rope off people so you can shoot them down . So far you are working on getting yourself embarrassed and you are really showing your ass with this whole "you people are driving me batty" bullshit. These people in here deserve alot more credit than you would give. I mean, your thread started with a question that cant be answered, and then you take a stance that people should answer the question or not be as good as you, who doesnt know the answer himself? I have noticed that there are more and more like you everywhere I go these days. Some advice, hop off your high horse and listen to what people are saying instead of throwing back in their face what they are not. Open your mind a little and these people might teach you something.

Bravo DesmondE; very well said.
BTW, I agree with you on Neo NOT having a REAL choice.
I like the cause and effect statement from the Merovingian.
Neo's choices are all effects from different causes.

Grendelvs wrote:

whichever the case, the replicating power is separate from his brush with Neo...

It is not. It is a result of bending the existing rules thanks to the inprinted code from Neo.

Grendelvs wrote:

i disregard the argument that the One code that is reinserted somehow nullifys the powers of the Anti-One...preposterous!

It does! After Neo disseminated his code, he is no longer the integral anomaly. After the proces, he is just another variable in the Matrix; a variable without any special powers.
Smith is a copy/projection of this same variable. So his powers will stop working. His anomaly-inprinting will be worth zero within the re-newed equation.

Grendelvs wrote:

we could look to the Oracle for an answer...just so happens that there is a snippet of the Oracle's speech that's in direct contradiction to your idea. or is that too inconvenient?

Tell me. I am getting curious!

DesmondE wrote:

If I have the time? Please, youll get what you get. I dont take requests. I think you should stop insulting the intelligence of the people who are responding to your posts by condescending everyone with your obvious misunderstanding of both the subject matter and this nonsense about your dictionary and the meaning of the "remainder".

you think i should stop insulting intelligence? i think you should read the thread before you chime your 2¢ in. common. messageboard. ettiquette. you don't give it to me, why should i extend any to you? more on the remainder later, as you have cleared something up. indeed. heh.

DesmondE wrote:

As the socratic method doesn't work for you and suggestive conversation is impossible for you. Ill spell it out as ironclad as possible. There is no way you will ever know who was involved in, or what transpired in the previous versions of the matrix as absolute fact. Now that that is out of the way lets et back to speculation as thats all we can do..

again, i'm not saying that we know for sure. i have NEVER argued that. but, there are very strong hints that are given to us that this time around is different. as already stated in this thread. *ahem*

DesmondE wrote:

Were there other "Anti Ones"? Possible. On one hand there may have been some other threat to humans that would require the dependance attachment to the One....Sounds like there is a threat that is created as to promote this attachment to the one. What other threat would have been better than an "Anti One".

a threat created? the rebels in Zion that enter the Matrix and the One are the threat to the Matrix. you go on and quote the Architect's speech at me and rant about how i don't "get it" but it seems that you've missed the obvious there. they need to be gotten rid of to re-stabilize. what's the need for the possibly bigger and uncontrollable threat of the Anti-One when they already have all the controls they need?

and much thanks for this:

DesmondE wrote:

As for the remainder thing. The statement was: Quote: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably... here. Lets look at it in parts. Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Neo is not the remainder, but the sum of the remainder. We know from "simple arithmetic" that the sum is the result. So the result of a remainder is not the same as the remainder itself.

thank you. the sum of the remainder. as we all know, the "sum" of something means not just the result, but the total of the result. feel free to correct me, but i think you'll find that's right. if the One wasn't the only by-product of this process, then he would not be the sum of the remainder.

priceless. thank you very much for elucidating the semantics and further backing my stance.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Grendelvs wrote: whichever the case, the replicating power is separate from his brush with Neo... It is not. It is a result of bending the existing rules thanks to the inprinted code from Neo.

? convenient that you left this part of my post out of your quote:

Grendelvs wrote:

unless, as i've said before, it's his new willingness to break the rules.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Grendelvs wrote: i disregard the argument that the One code that is reinserted somehow nullifys the powers of the Anti-One...preposterous! It does! After Neo disseminated his code, he is no longer the integral anomaly. After the proces, he is just another variable in the Matrix; a variable without any special powers. Smith is a copy/projection of this same variable. So his powers will stop working. His anomaly-inprinting will be worth zero within the re-newed equation.

you're asking me to take your supposition as fact. first that Smith's replication is not a logical extension of his previous properties as an Agent, and second that once Neo "disseminates" the code he carries that he won't be able to do the things he can do before. i think that when he joins with the Source, he dies. it seems to me that he chooses the 23 people before he joins with the Source. and as for Smith...well, i already said what i believe.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Grendelvs wrote: we could look to the Oracle for an answer...just so happens that there is a snippet of the Oracle's speech that's in direct contradiction to your idea. or is that too inconvenient? Tell me. I am getting curious!

you said that the Anti-One seed is planted by the Architect. right? the Oracle says that Smith (our cuddly Anti-One) is a result of the system trying to balance itself out. there is a difference there, however slight. semantics and wording appear to be very important to the W. Bros, so it would seem irresponsible of us to so lightly disregard a potentially large discrepancy.

Grendelvs wrote:

a threat created? the rebels in Zion that enter the Matrix and the One are the threat to the Matrix. you go on and quote the Architect's speech at me and rant about how i don't "get it" but it seems that you've missed the obvious there. they need to be gotten rid of to re-stabilize. what's the need for the possibly bigger and uncontrollable threat of the Anti-One when they already have all the controls they need?

They don't have the controls they need!
Programs don't lie; it's inefficient and much too irriational.
So the Architect has to offer a deal...
He can't offer Zion, because it has to be destroyed.
So instead he offers the One a chance to stop the Anti One in killing the entire human race.

Just imagine that you are Neo. You have been fighting your ass of to reach the Source. Then this old fart tells you that Zion cannot be saved. Would you further comply to his wishes? You wouldn't! You would tell him that he can shove it up his ass. But when he starts talking about the destruction of the entire human race, you suddenly are more prepared to listen to him.

Neo knows that he is NOT going to cause the cataclysmic system crash. He has been flying around in the Matrix for a while and he has not inflicted any real damage. Also, when he is offered a choice to go back to the Matrix in order to rescue Trinity, then this tells us that the Matrix will remain functioning when he opens the 'wrong' door.

The Architect doesn't mention the Anti One by name or by function. Why should he? It is in his parameters to talk this way. He doesn't even want to talk about the name of the Oracle.

Grendelvs wrote:

you're asking me to take your supposition as fact. first that Smith's replication is not a logical extension of his previous properties as an Agent, and second that once Neo "disseminates" the code he carries that he won't be able to do the things he can do before. i think that when he joins with the Source, he dies.

"TEMPORARY dissemination of the code you CARRY, AFTER which you will be required to select..."
Sounds to me that he will live to see the events.
The sacrifize of his life is only needed to wipe out the ENTIRE integral anomaly, after which a re-balancing of the equation won't be needed anymore. The anomaly-factor 'took care' if itself and was entirely solved from the sixth equation.

Grendelvs wrote:

you said that the Anti-One seed is planted by the Architect. right? the Oracle says that Smith (our cuddly Anti-One) is a result of the system trying to balance itself out. there is a difference there, however slight. semantics and wording appear to be very important to the W. Bros, so it would seem irresponsible of us to so lightly disregard a potentially large discrepancy.

I allready explained that one. Check page 2.
The Architect puts in the variables, then it's up to the equation to work things out. So the Anti One is still the result of the equation balancing ITSELF out.

he's already said that Neo's responses were going to be different this time because he was experience this great love of mankind (that is an important of the One) in a different way.

even if there were no Smith, no Anti-One, no other tangible threat, Neo would still go back to the Matrix to try and save Trinity instead of taking the right-hand door.

you don't think so?

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

"TEMPORARY dissemination of the code you CARRY, AFTER which you will be required to select..." Sounds to me that he will live to see the events. The sacrifize of his life is only needed to wipe out the ENTIRE integral anomaly, after which a re-balancing of the equation won't be needed anymore. The anomaly-factor 'took care' if itself and was entirely solved from the sixth equation.

ah, right. missed that. i don't have time to look up the script while i'm at work. heh.

even so...it was shown in The Miller's Tale that Zion has a very strong oral tradition. how would the story of "a man that could shape the Matrix according to his will" continue if the original Zionites didn't see it for themselves?

NEO: i can fly.
POTENTIAL ZIONITE: show me!
NEO: well, i can't fly right now.
POTENTIAL ZIONITE: *rolls eyes*

you see what i mean? i think that the One keeps his powers until he dies, but before that, he points the Zionites at the Oracle, who promulgates the Prophecy of the return of the One after he dies.

Grendelvs wrote:

he's already said that Neo's responses were going to be different this time because he was experience this great love of mankind (that is an important of the One) in a different way.

Yep he knows about Neo's love, because he has been monitoring him hasn't he. It doesn't have to mean that the Architect understands the emotions of TRUE love. He thinks of it as irrational, so he cannot account for it in his calculations and predications.

And why would he still try to pursuade Neo by saying that she is going to die and he cannot stop it? Why would he bother if he allready knows that Neo is not going to comply?

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even if there were no Smith, no Anti-One, no other tangible threat, Neo would still go back to the Matrix to try and save Trinity instead of taking the right-hand door. you don't think so?

I agree on that. But that has nothing to do with the Anti One being around everytime.

Grendelvs wrote:

even so...it was shown in The Miller's Tale that Zion has a very strong oral tradition. how would the story of "a man that could shape the Matrix according to his will" continue if the original Zionites didn't see it for themselves?

You have used this argument before....
But it's indeed vague.
But like I told you before. What would be the use then?
Let's say that Neo reaches the age of 70. He can be active all the time, because his mind his free. Even as a grandpa, he can fly in the Matrix.
So then Neo would be active for about 40 years. Then he would inflict a hell of alot of damage to the system. He allready freed a huge amount of people in six months, so imagine what he can do in 40 years.

The legend is true. The One freed the first of us (the selectable 23 people). We don't know the rest. We don't know if Morpheus and the Hammer-crew live on (I personally think so).
So it could just be a (partial) true legend that is told on. Just to give the people hope and a reason to survive.

Thanks again Mobile, you already know that we see eye to eye on alot of things we have discussed. I actually followed your posts over here to this thread, after my little break from the forum I had to find an anchor somewhere.

Grendelvs, like I said. No reason to keep this going. You dont worry about what ettiquette I use. You just keep posting what will be of use to you. If I want to quote every cartoon from the 1980's it will never be anything that you can do anything about. Save that energy for typing some of those ideas you have in your head here so we can get into what your saying. I am ready when you are. I have the entire thread in my binder already. Has been for the last few days. believe me. I have read it all and even highlighted everywhere. I just wont comment on everything I read I may dismiss some but, hey, some of it I am still figuring out. No big deal.

Ill let you have the last words there so we can just not waste everyones time making this something that it isnt.



Ok about the matrix warriors and Neo beign gotten rid of.
Lets just put that thought aside for now. just for a second. Lets just suppose that the process a has gone on for some times and now this time the oracle and or the architect decided that it may be possible to make peace between humans and machines. ( I know that people's fingers fired up just from that buthold up)
So now lets suggest plan that the oracle and or architect need to have a threat to the machine world and the human world. so that the one can make peace. One and AntiOne are pawns for this same end but its still anoble one. This would definitely give great credit towards the First Anti One being the one from this version.
So now there is a bargaining chip for leverage against the machines. And a way to start towards peace instead of the same cycle over and over. Of course it would take some risk and this time the end could not be calculated but again the "dangerous game"

just a thought
I think that one thing that is also important is that Neo and Smith were linked in more ways than is apparent at first glance. Both in a coma at the same time. Wake up at the same time from the coma. Neo can jack into the matrix without being plugged in. Smith can do the reverse. I dont believe that Smith and Neo cancel eachother out. I think that they give eachother purpose. So maybe that supports the previos anti one possibility.


And I will have to correct you again on the sum
sum is the result. If he didnt want to say that then he would have said your life is the remainder instead of the sum of the remainder. The rmainder is the difference between 2 numbers or whats left from the division of numbers. But the funny thing about the remainder is it allows the equation to operate normally. It isnt part of the equation unless it is whats left from subtraction, in which case it is the answer and not the rmainder that we were talking about in this context. The sum is the result of all numbers involved. Thats why when you are in grade school sums are your addition flashcards.

Multiplication = product
Division = Dividend
Subtraction = residual
Addition = sum
I guess that about SUMS it up huh? The SUM of this post seems to be that point has been made. The SUM of my steps outside of the building here will result in my getting home. Very cool how that works. Now give that one a rest.
Later

DesmondE said:

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I guess that about SUMS it up huh? The SUM of this post seems to be that point has been made.

very convenient that "sum" in the sense that you just used it in also means "total" or "whole of", isn't it?

nah, that couldn't be it. because then "sum of the remainder" would also mean "total" or "whole of the remainder" and that would go competely for me.


DesmondE said:

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If I want to quote every cartoon from the 1980's it will never be anything that you can do anything about.

actually, there is something i can do about it.

Mobil Ave Neo said:

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I agree on that. (Neo leaving for Trinity, even if there were no Anti-One, for those that don't feel like reading the thread) But that has nothing to do with the Anti One being around everytime.

it may or may not...if Trinity is the basis for Neo doing something different than the previous five Ones, then (again) what use for the Anti-One as a prod either way? Smith (the Anti-One) wasn't planned on by the Architect, and is unique to this cycle. i think the Oracle had her hand in. cookies...mmm...cookies.

i don't think disseminating the ones code would eliminate the anti-one, because if this were the case then when neo went to the machine city deus ex could have just disseminated neos code to destroy smith, but this clearly wasn't an option available to him (he hasd to jack neo in to fight smith).

On the subject of "SUM of a remainder" i think it is just saying that neo's life has turned out the way it has because he is the remainder (or carries the remainder - code). Therefore i think neo is a remainder.

Grendelvs, please catch up here buddy,
you are flying off the deep end here and I really am opening the door for you to get back in. Look up the words in a dictionary. Nobody in this forum wants to see you in a battle of wits. But just for kicks Ill give you a little funny so as to lighten it up.
"Snarf!"
For the kid and Grendelvs. There is also a sentence that follows up the one about the remainder/sum. Other than the fact that remainder is representative of a number or amount, and there would have been no need to say "the total of the total amount left over is what you are".

I think he says "I have an equation that I use to keep control over human minds. But for some reason I cannot account for every possibility so as to predict the behavior of the human mind."

There is a factor in the human mind that is outside of the realm of his logic. If that remainder was neo he would not have a problem with it. They could have ended the story a long tme ago. But if Neo is the result of that factor then what the architect is saying is that he cannot control the human factor. But he can control the result of that variable existing. Which has lead the resulting entity to the TV room, namely Neo.
Please tell me you see that.
I dont think that could be any more plain.
But I think that the major point that keeps coming up to put this thing to rest is that there would be no reason for the one to exist had it not been for the Anti-one. You think that neo is the champion of freeing people from the matrix. They had that shit down far before he came along and I am sure they would hev done just fine without him. Given the evidence available to show neo, they could have convinced all kinds of people without the one. The agents were a factor in the first movie, Neo found a way to nullify that factor. More Smiths and agents in the second movie. New stepped it up another notch. Third movie, Smith is super powerfule and has rplicated all the people in the Matrix. Neo steps it up another notch.
Does Neo exist because of Smith?
Neo's purpose is to be the figure that battles evil to for the benefit of mankind.
WHo was the evil in the movies? Smith.
And since we dont know what happened in the previous versions. WHy not take the simplest explaination.

Agent Zero wrote:

yah i noticed in throughout the whole trilogy when it comes to neo making a choice he goes to the left. EVERYTIME. watch it, here i will list them 1. he is leaning to the left toward the door in his appartment to go with the white rabbit 2. when the agents come to his work he needs to go to the scaffold or the doorway. he turns to the left to go back to the door. 3. the pill, he chooses it with HIS left hand. 4. when he chooses to save neo he walks to his left to go jackin 5. he turns around to the left when he chooses to fight smith 6. when he runs away he keeps going to the left Tank: there the door on your left, your other left. 7. room 303 is on his left. thats just the first movie Now for reloaded 1. i can only think of one right now and thats in the architects room. the door to his left back to the matrix to save trinity. Revalations 1. uh....have to watch it again but you got the point right? TO HIS LEFT weird huh!

Neo is left-handed. In the first film he signs for the Fed-Ex package with his left hand.

TheKid wrote:

i don't think disseminating the ones code would eliminate the anti-one, because if this were the case then when neo went to the machine city deus ex could have just disseminated neos code to destroy smith, but this clearly wasn't an option available to him (he hasd to jack neo in to fight smith).

The dissemination would not eliminate him. Just make him powerless.
He would loose the ability to copy himself further on.

What happens to the people he allready assimliated is not known.
It's plausible to assume that the following things could happen to them:

1) Their minds get 'resetted' to function within the re-newed equation
2) When the new equation starts, they get disconnected from the system and die
3) They stay Smiths and will be dealt with by regular agents. Smith's army was still acceptable when Neo was at the Architect. It's not impossible to deal with him, when he can't copy himself anymore.

So he is not eliminated, he just becomes powerless.

Deus Ex Machina cannot offer him this option anymore. Neo allready MADE that choice.
Also, when the above mentioned options #2 & #3 would be the case, then Smith's army has grown much too powerfull in order to do it through dissemination.