»my anti-Anti-One statement. dammit.«

maxius wrote:

Neo is left-handed. In the first film he signs for the Fed-Ex package with his left hand.

Very sharp observation!
Thanks alot for sharing it.

Very cool to know that he is left-handed like me

DesmondE wrote:

For the kid and Grendelvs. There is also a sentence that follows up the one about the remainder/sum. Other than the fact that remainder is representative of a number or amount, and there would have been no need to say "the total of the total amount left over is what you are". I think he says "I have an equation that I use to keep control over human minds. But for some reason I cannot account for every possibility so as to predict the behavior of the human mind." There is a factor in the human mind that is outside of the realm of his logic. If that remainder was neo he would not have a problem with it. They could have ended the story a long tme ago. But if Neo is the result of that factor then what the architect is saying is that he cannot control the human factor. But he can control the result of that variable existing. Which has lead the resulting entity to the TV room, namely Neo. Please tell me you see that. I dont think that could be any more plain.

dude, you're repeating what i've said minus one detail. the resulting entity, the One, is the total of the remainder. you said that there'd be no need to say "the total of the total amount left over is what you are," but that's just what the Architect said.

you also said "There is a factor in the human mind that is outside of the realm of his logic. If that remainder was neo he would not have a problem with it." well, they didn't have a problem with the previous five Ones, according to the Architect. they meekly went into the night, choosing to save the greater part of Mankind. but Neo is different. why?

DesmondE wrote:

But I think that the major point that keeps coming up to put this thing to rest is that there would be no reason for the one to exist had it not been for the Anti-one...Neo's purpose is to be the figure that battles evil to for the benefit of mankind. WHo was the evil in the movies? Smith. And since we dont know what happened in the previous versions. WHy not take the simplest explaination.

i've repeated over and over that we know what the purpose of the One is. it's given in the Architect's speech, even. the purpose of the One is to exist (to sum up the anomaly) and then to reload the Matrix and disseminate the code and stabalize the equation.

the simplest explanation is that this didn't happen this time around because of machinations by the Oracle. she:

1) gave Neo a reason to defy the actions of his predecessors (Trinity)
2) gave Neo a bargaining chip in Smith.

if Smith was the reason that Neo stayed then why did 01 allow the whole brawl? as soon as they had Neo in direct connection, they could have done the code-dissemination right there and gotten rid of Smith that way. they had millions of connections to Smith, why not use those?

the simplest explanation is that things are different this time around, which includes the presence of the Anti-One.

Grendelvs wrote:

if Smith was the reason that Neo stayed then why did 01 allow the whole brawl? as soon as they had Neo in direct connection, they could have done the code-dissemination right there and gotten rid of Smith that way. they had millions of connections to Smith, why not use those?

Quite simple.
Read two posts back...

indded i never noticed that he was left handed....weird huh?

the anti-one apears first thing in m2...way before neo even knows about the architect...thus this matrix was different in how smith evolved AND how neo evolved this time around...i think it has to do with the way neo killed smith to begin with...that's the only way smith could be different...part of neo's code imprinted onto him...which is saying that the previous ones did not kill smith in this same fashion..who's to say they killed smith at all? the previous versions could have just stopped the bullets, bitch slapped smith and went to the phone...

u could then say neo realized what the matrix was but never obtained the full power of what he could control...ie diving into smith...this is also hinted at when the architect says "that was faster than the others" and merv says
"Merovingian: Handle us? You'll handle us? You know, your predecessors had much more respect" and "Merovingian: Okay, you have some skill" as in the other "ones" handled this conflict much less impressively further showing this neo is more confident and possibly more powerful than the others...

this all showing that the anti-one could have been in earlier versions just not as powerful as the anti-one we get to see...and never getting to his full potental, same as the other ones when they choose the right door

There is definitely enough lack of evidence to support your statement that there were no Smith's in the previous versions of the matrix. But the contemplation on the subject is dry and essentially useless to the story, and from what I can gather from this thread we are concentrating a little too much at the finger.

On one hand Smith's purpose in this version seems to be related directly to the story line that we have seen in the matrix. He lost his purpose upon his rebirth before reloaded. He found his purpose in his desire to destroy Neo. We can track his existence as the "Anti One" in the last 2 movies. Of course he wasnt the "Anti One" in the first movie(at least at first glance). His power grows in direct relaton to Neo's, and from what we know, this incarnation of Neo is different.

On the other hand, which I affectionately refer to as Tina, we have the possibility that the Anti-One, existed each time that Neo did. Neo is representative of one. He is the beginning and the end. I would naturally reference him as a point in the cycle. where beginning and end meet. A brief point in the cycle that is central to any change or progression. Smith Represents the many. Hy is the embodiment of all individuals and he is actually the catalyst that pushes everyone into the change or progression. Neo is the one who has ascended or reached god(the source). Certainly there is no human mind in the matrix that is ready to accept the source. The source for humans represents a control in that it takes away our individuality.

As if all of existance were one energy and that while we may be different manifestations of that energy, we are still the same. Just as you and I are different now, we can trace where we came from to the same source. It is reasonable to believe that we will also return there in the future. What we hold onto when we face death is the notion of self and the value that we assign to it. Ego

Smith represents the humans in this subjective reality, and at the same time he is gaining power at the same rate as Neo. His purpose is to destroy Neo, has taken his purpose away. But he is still there, "apparently free" he is the embodiment of all that humans would want to be. What smith started to realize is that he was not free. He was as much a part of the story as Neo was, really.Without Smith, Neo would not be.
"The path of the one is defined by the path of the many."
E Pluribus Unum—"Out of Many, One."

We know that the reason for the equation is for the matrix to be able to deal with human minds by being able to reasonably predict human behavior. The parameters of the equation are the problem that the architect has problems with. The "remainder" is a concept or representation of something. In an equation the remainder itself is variable as we cannot even calculate it without first going through the equation. It is not a part of the equation. The reason that Neo exists is that people who are outside the logic system of the machine understanding, need to be brought back to the fold. As humans reject the possibility of no choice, they must be guided through their own choice.
Fact:
You must have at least 2 options to make a choice.
The choices must be different.Even if only slight difference.

Neo and Smith are the same Entity. They are the conflict that influences the change that allows us to grow.
Hasnt the conflict between good and evil allowed us to grow?
It is not the existence of good alone that influences us to follow a righteous path. It is the contrast between the 2 paths and how they appeal to us. The Architect and the Oracle seem to have the same goal in this scenario. To bring about a new cycle, although their reasons for doing so are different. The Architect must renew the cycle to maintain the levels of control afforded to him by his calculations. The the "remainder" is outside of his control but his ability to destroy it is not. The Oracle is trying to acheive a coexistance between man and machine. This growth will occur after the change.
Smith is an integral part of this change. He does not defeat neo, he consumes him, just as he does all the people in the matrix. He takes them into his being. There are so many Smiths but they are all the same being. When all the inhabitants of the matrix are brought into smith he consumes the one. The last one. Taking all back to the moment before creation when we were all one. Then the new day starts with the sunrise that is heralded by Sati(self sacrifice). So it is a joint effort between Neo/Smith that create the full circle. Smith must have existed in any version of the matrix that included Neo.

you're right. the One is really the Half, and should henceforth be only referred to as such. penalties for failure are being contemplated.

whatever. pack of monkeys.

no he is not half....allthough this is the anti one thread, why am i in here anyways? *leaves shell of another standing here looking confused*

i'm sorry, what was that again? oh, damn these slippery buttons.

if any of the admins or mods are reading this, please get ready to remove me from the rolls here. i'm going back to sea in five days.

where are you stationed?