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Who knows what what the ocean of code is, but I expect that there are is more than one city in the entire matrix, (there are billions of people plugged in) and it would appear that this city is important for it is hidden in the code. Notice it isn't moving while all the other code is. Also if you freeze frame it, you will notice the highways leading into the city and the off and on ramps from where the freeway chase took place in reloaded.

Now if this city is in fact important enough to hide in all the code and could be a back door into the matrix, then could not the link between worlds be located here? Could not this be the link for the train man? Gumpred Could not programs access this code inorder to enter the matrix? As was stated, this Trojan program is for beginners to hack with. The crews of the hovercrafts are all experienced hackers and can do it through other means, but what about simple programs seeking to hack other programs? Perhaps they need to use a trojan program. And Megacity is their link into the bigger world of the matrix.

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equivalent golden code in title sequence and machine city  

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I confirm what Qbosch observed earlier in this thread:

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after the explosion we go through all the orange lights and when we get to the end before it goes back up, we are looking down on machine city. Freeze frame this and and study the structure and then go to the section where trinity and neo just broke through the clouds above machine city and are falling back down. You will notice the same circular patterns.


Amazing!

Now this doesn't necessarily prove that they are the same, since the nature of fractal patterns is that they repeat their patterns on different levels. But there is no doubt a connection between them, so what implications does this connection lead to! Shocked

Time is always against us... I will have to elaborate later... I'll be back! Cool

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Inflationary fractal universes  

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If the explosion at the beginning of revolutions was a car-engine ignition in the mega-city then it would be in green-code, not orange.

The explosion is far more likely to represent the birth of the machine-world, in a big-bang type explosion of orange "AI code". The fractal nature may well have been inspired by this article wired.com...
(...But then the letters expand so much that for billions of years to come, each race of people in the universe will be living in the corner of just one letter...)

We see the orange fractal code actually used to represent the machine city when Neo and Trinity fall back to the surface, as pointed out above

The "bull-like" symbol is the mega-city (as shown in a dvd feature), but why it is that shape is unclear - it may be deliberately ambiguous. It looks like a balance, or even a grail cup which would be symbolically relevant, but then it also looks a bit like the Chigaco Bulls emblem and other things pointed out in this thread and elsewhere. Will we ever be told?

Incidentally, there is another article where the special effects team say the fractal patterns were influenced by seashell shapes, and the sentinel design also is marine influenced. Not sure what this would imply symbolically.
EDIT found the article, from Cinefex, (some discussion here forums.matrixfans.net...)
"The idea was that the origin of life for the Machine World could be represented as fractals...in the same way that the origin of life could be represented as a single-cell organism in the sea...The machines had a crustacean undersea aesthetic combined with the fractal logic of the city layout"

Wikipedia's a good a place as any to learn a bit about fractals (plenty of links to follow)
en.wikipedia.org...

EDIT Another very interesting and relevant wired article
wired.com...

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[quote="upanishad"]If the explosion at the beginning of revolutions was a car-engine ignition in the mega-city then it would be in green-code, not orange.

but if the orange code represents machine consciousness, and there are programs designed to govern the behavior of every facet of the matrix (as the oracle suggests in reloaded) the explosion we see could just be a representation of the conscousness of the program that is responsible for starting car engines. it's doing its job, so we can't see it unless we dig deeply into the green code that is its shell. in other words, the orange code is the building blocks for the green code. after all, the explosion of orange code and the fractals in the title sequence are both shown to be part of the megacity glyph when the camera pulls back. a bit anticlimactic i suppose, but seemingly valid nonetheless. lemme know if i forgot to take anything important into account here.

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If you look carefully (pause frequently or take one frame at a time) you will see that the letter or number (reversed 7?) that's orange or yellow by the orange pattern gradually turns green when zooming out!
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This could support one view someone had that the orange (or yellow) is present when in high concentration or intensity: for example Seraph.

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zynxamek wrote:

If you look carefully (pause frequently or take one frame at a time) you will see that the letter or number (reversed 7?) that's orange or yellow by the orange pattern gradually turns green when zooming out!
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Really? That's interesting!

It can also point out the the Matrix is written in higher programming language then the rest of the Machine world. I mean, the gold code is the 'matter' of the machine world, like atoms are the mater of reality. Matrix is a program also from the point of view of AIs in machine world.

zynxamek wrote:

This could support one view someone had that the orange (or yellow) is present when in high concentration or intensity: for example Seraph.

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Originally, I also thought it is like that. It resembles quite a lot the AIs in Gibson's Neuromancer and the 'density' symbolizes the higher degree of complexity -- and that could be an AI. But in Revolution, there was so much of the golden code and it wasn't 'dense' all the time. All the machines seems to share the golden code ... or rather golden network?

Still, the density in matrix may point at complex programs - like Oracle and Seraph - or it means a program that originates from the machine world that was exiled into the matrix (or came there voluntarily). But is it the case of Oracle? She used to be a program designed for investigation of human psyche and that has nothing to do with machine world. Humans do not live there.

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Green code Matrix and interface?...  

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I like your idea titek:

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It can also point out the the Matrix is written in higher programming language then the rest of the Machine world. I mean, the gold code is the 'matter' of the machine world, like atoms are the mater of reality.


I have given this orange/yellow inside the green some thought. Now AI is artificial consciousness according to Morpheus:

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We gave birth to AI, a single consciousness that gave birth to an entire race of machines.


So the green code in the Matrix could be seen as somehing like a interface between the human consciousnesses (of all those plugged-in) and the machine consciousness(es) which we see as the golden/orange/yellow fractal pattern or glow.

But this green code interface doesn't only need to be utilized for controlling the plugged-in humans. It could also be seen as a way for the machines of learing about humans, in the aim of evolving into beings more human-like. Here, of coarse, the Oracle is a key player.

Maybe the Matrix was so successful for the machines learning from human behaviour, that this led to the machines living and interacting in the Matrix? Maybe Rama-Kandra's powerplant is actually the control-room for the bioenergy powerplant in the real world, because it's actually easier to maintain it from inside from a more human-like emulation as the Matrix?

Just some thoughts...
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Precisely. I think that matrix is that 'something' in between humans and machines, where both can interact on equitable level. However, it wasn't so equitable so far because humans were forced to be there. After the Revolutions, some better kind of the balance was probably reached.

I am not sure if machines really strive to be human-like but at least some do - like Rama-Kandra, Kamala and Sati and also Merovingian and Persefone. In the later case, it could be just because of the long-lasting dwelling within the matrix, that Merv aquired some human features (if he wasn't the One, of course, I don't really agree with this theory now).

I think Oracle used to be the first program that aquired some human features, simply because she had to inquire a lot about the human mind. The thing that entertains or bothers your mind a lot is changing it. Even without noticing. Just remember Saruman in LoTR (in the book, I mean, in the movie Saruman appeared as much simpler character), he used to study the evils of Sauron so deep that it corrupted his mind and while fighting agains him, he didn't realize he become alike.

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Well, as I said, if you accept the hypothesis that programs are stored in human brains, then it would explain all what you discussed above.

As you said, " 'something' in between humans and machines...

Neo:"there is no spoon"
Merovingian:"there is no lipstick!"
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Man and Machine come together in Program!  

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Yes Apocryphe, that's the logical conclussion! Programs: the missing third. We're talking so much about machines and humans that we tend to hop over the programs.

Maybe the evolution of Man and the evolution of Machine both find fulfillment and peace with eachother by melding together into the Progam Reality which Neo made possible. (This sounds wild, but ok...) Maybe a melding together of human code DNA with machine code into a new code, Neocode! the orange explosion! (So the DNA pattern someone saw might not have been a coincidence). And then this code, this code of revolution, is inserted and reloaded into the Matrix! The underlying code thus becomes both human and machine, a forum of code and program where humans and machines can truely understand and live together!

First the code-pattern is seen only in the car where Neo is, code which Link can't read:

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Morpheus: Can't you see him?
Link: No, sir. We were reading something but I couldn't tell what it was.

But then at the end of M3 this new revolutionizing code is infused into all of the matrix

Any thoughts on this?

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Qbosch wrote:

after the explosion we go through all the orange lights and when we get to the end before it goes back up, we are looking down on machine city. Freeze frame this and and study the structure and then go to the section where trinity and neo just broke through the clouds above machine city and are falling back down. You will notice the same circular patterns.

Thus, we see the power source of machine city, then the city itself, and then zoom back out to look at mega city in the matrix which is just as grain of sand in an ocean of code.


Exactly my thoughts. Well put.

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