»The Theatrical trailer«

I hope this is redundant in some way, I don't want to feel different.

1) The "SPEAK" machine has the face of the architect. Freeze frame and see for yourselves.

2) Neo uses his powers alot, ergo no EMP from the famous Hammer for those dumb enough to disregard the facts.

3) The Merovingian likes eyes. He wants the oracles eyes, and in Enter The Matrix he is obsessed with the eyes of the people he captures.

4) The orange Matrix code shows Smith with his sunglasses, so this is not the image Neo sees when looking at Bane.

5) The war is a big part of the movie, and for my part that tells me that Zion is real and that the battle means something.

6) The skies are clouded in every shot except for one. So they are probably above the clouds in that shot.

7) The subway scene includes the girl mentioned in the Dolan script, and so I guess I should read that again to see what her purpose was.

8 ) The Trainman fights Neo and runs away.

9) I don't think they will explain the batteries thingy.

Regarding point No.2 ~ yipee no more "the Hammer did it" suggestions, nice one EMP!

What about the other points? Any thoughts?

KnnKnn? Hyphen?

emp wrote:

What about the other points? Any thoughts? KnnKnn? Hyphen?

Point No.6 No more Matrix within a Matrix blah, blah, blah....Point No.3 eyes, never thought about that, thanx for bringing that to my attention. I can't comment on the other stuff EMP, I've been steering clear of the spoilers and trailers as much as possible ~ but thanx for the info! xxx

I had a pretty close look at the trailer, and you can see some of the things I've discovered here:

emp wrote:

1) The "SPEAK" machine has the face of the architect. Freeze frame and see for yourselves.

Look more like a babyface ("Dancing baby"?).

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2) Neo uses his powers alot.

At least it looks like it in the trailers.

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The Merovingian likes eyes. He wants the oracles eyes

As long as he didn't mean "Bring me the Oracles Is" (if she has many personalities).

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The orange Matrix code shows Smith with his sunglasses, so this is not the image Neo sees when looking at Bane.

Don't get the conclusion here.

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The war is a big part of the movie, and for my part that tells me that Zion is real.

Yep, me, too. And it supports the JB scripment ('Kid is the One')

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The skies are clouded in every shot except for one. So they are probably above the clouds in that shot.

And they somehow use a ship design as in Animatrix.

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The subway scene includes the girl mentioned in the Dolan script, and so I guess I should read that again to see what her purpose was.

1) With a beard? Come on. It is The Architect. Looks a little like Santa.

2) We see him do the same thing as in Reloaded, but even more powerful. I don't think the Hammer is there.

3) No, this is a opportunity for the actress change to be realistic. They are not hunting down a pack of Oracles.

4) Just that it's probably not a power that Neo has in real life.

5) Wasn't that an extended version? I read somewhere that the original has little about him, just a little scene where he is in a Mech, stopping some sentinels in a heroic way. The original mentioned three lines in the desert, the girl and her family, and Neo helping the machines fight Smith.

emp wrote:

1) With a beard? Come on. It is The Architect. Looks a little like Santa.

I don't see a beard, it looks like a giant baby. And I like the idea of the machine god having a face of a baby.

emp wrote:

Neo helping the machines fight Smith.

and Smith wins, enters Neo and the machines unplug Neo and Smith dies.

knnknn wrote:

emp wrote: 1) With a beard? Come on. It is The Architect. Looks a little like Santa. I don't see a beard, it looks like a giant baby. And I like the idea of the machine god having a face of a baby. emp wrote: Neo helping the machines fight Smith. and Smith wins, enters Neo and the machines unplug Neo and Smith dies.

Pleeeaaaasssssee don't say that sob sob

Another Smith wrote:

knnknn wrote: emp wrote: 1) With a beard? Come on. It is The Architect. Looks a little like Santa. I don't see a beard, it looks like a giant baby. And I like the idea of the machine god having a face of a baby. emp wrote: Neo helping the machines fight Smith. and Smith wins, enters Neo and the machines unplug Neo and Smith dies. Pleeeaaaasssssee don't say that sob sob

Don't be sad. The machines have a copy of Neo's mind and DNA, and can just speedgrow (TM) a new body and copy the old Neo into it.

Back to the point I think that the idea that Smith becomes to powerful for the machines to control is lame. Why would the machine AI allow there to be a posiibility for a program from the matrix to threaten the AI's existence? That would be like a 3.5" disc with MS-DOS coming to kill you.

emp wrote:

Another Smith wrote: knnknn wrote: emp wrote: 1) With a beard? Come on. It is The Architect. Looks a little like Santa. I don't see a beard, it looks like a giant baby. And I like the idea of the machine god having a face of a baby. emp wrote: Neo helping the machines fight Smith. and Smith wins, enters Neo and the machines unplug Neo and Smith dies. Pleeeaaaasssssee don't say that sob sob Don't be sad. The machines have a copy of Neo's mind and DNA, and can just speedgrow (TM) a new body and copy the old Neo into it. Back to the point I think that the idea that Smith becomes to powerful for the machines to control is lame. Why would the machine AI allow there to be a posiibility for a program from the matrix to threaten the AI's existence? That would be like a 3.5" disc with MS-DOS coming to kill you.

I LOVE YOU EMP..heeheeehee x x x

emp, you don't seem to have an understanding of what a virus is. A virus doesn't have to be a huge program to do alot of damage.

If the architect wanted to make another Smith, could he do it? Of course he could, and with not alot of trouble either. All Smith would have to do is figure out the code sequence which the Architect would use to copy him and he would be able to copy himself. If he can then copy himself onto whatever he wants, what would happen if he copied onto the source code for the matrix? Uh-oh for the Architect.

Hmm... i don't get the point: where do you see Neo getting killed by Smith? Another point: If the Merov. collects eyes (whatever reason for), and if he somehows manages to capture Neo, this would explain why Neo weares a blindfold: he lost his eyes in the Matrix, ergo, he lost his capability to see in the real world. (Could there be any connection to his appernace without sunglasses in the Matrix?)

emp wrote:

The "SPEAK" machine has the face of the architect.

But the Architect said, that they won't meet again.

Guest II wrote:

Hmm... i don't get the point: where do you see Neo getting killed by Smith? Another point: If the Merov. collects eyes (whatever reason for), and if he somehows manages to capture Neo, this would explain why Neo weares a blindfold: he lost his eyes in the Matrix, ergo, he lost his capability to see in the real world. (Could there be any connection to his appernace without sunglasses in the Matrix?)

Good point, because we hear in one of the trailers, "give us Neo or everyone dies" or something like that

I'm pretty sure that in the trailer the ship that is falling from the clear sky is about to crash and thus can not be above the clouds. Maybe this means the humans or machines have finally figured out a way to clean up the sky or the war has ended and the atmophere clensed Total Recal style? Most obvious reson to me why neo is blind-folded infront of the 'SPEAK' is that he's developed some real power in the real world against machines and they can't take the chance of him knocking out the big ol' SPEAK cos he's the real world manifestation of the architect. Maybe this is the reason behind Merov's obsesion with eye's, he knows the power they can hold as he was a previous one (or something). What do you all think. Bollox or something that has been covered months ago?

1) I see a baby's face, too.
2) I'm wondering what the Merovingian's beef is with the Oracle.
3) It looks like Kid is giving the exposition to the people of Zion this time.
4) Above the clouds? I don't know. Nor do I recognize the ship.
5) Looks like the power is coming from the fetus fields.
6) Neo trapping Smith inside of himself and sacrificing himself for everyone would bring full circle the fact that originally he went into Smith, AND give more parallel to the Jesus complex(infinite love) aspect of Neo.
7) I'm also wondering about the "very special child of two programs" mentioned in the game. Rama-Kandra is pretty obviously the father who sold out the Oracle. I would love to know why she is so special.
I do believe that the flaming orange smith with sunglasses IS what Neo sees when implored to, "look past the flesh and see your enemy."
9)Even though, he's really not that bad...when you get to know him.
10)Smith laughing...did he just absorb the Oracle? Seraph? Neo?
11)How long until November 5th?

Ogami Itto wrote:

1) I see a baby's face, too. 2) I'm wondering what the Merovingian's beef is with the Oracle. 3) It looks like Kid is giving the exposition to the people of Zion this time. 4) Above the clouds? I don't know. Nor do I recognize the ship. 5) Looks like the power is coming from the fetus fields. 6) Neo trapping Smith inside of himself and sacrificing himself for everyone would bring full circle the fact that originally he went into Smith, AND give more parallel to the Jesus complex(infinite love) aspect of Neo. 7) I'm also wondering about the "very special child of two programs" mentioned in the game. Rama-Kandra is pretty obviously the father who sold out the Oracle. I would love to know why she is so special. I do believe that the flaming orange smith with sunglasses IS what Neo sees when implored to, "look past the flesh and see your enemy." 9)Even though, he's really not that bad...when you get to know him. 10)Smith laughing...did he just absorb the Oracle? Seraph? Neo? 11)How long until November 5th?

1) We need xreenshots and a vote! KnnKnn!!!!!
2) He is just pissed of that he is not in the original plan. He wants to be in the story too.
3) The Kid is doing what where and when?
4) I am pretty sure it is clouds at the bottom of the screen in the last frame. You can also see a smoke trail from where the ship has been. It rises vertically and turns downwards towards the camera. So they aren't above the clouds for long.
5) They won't explain the batteries thingy.
6) Yup.
7) The oracle speaks of her importance in Enter The Matrix, so I guess she is the child who creates the final bond between man and machine?
8 ) You may be right. Inside Bane is Smith with sunglasses, so the new powers (being inside and outside at the same time), makes him see the matrix code in the real world.

3) I THINK it is the Kid, who is giving the speech in Zion with his arms up in the air. Probably about how they all owe Neo or something.

emp wrote:

4) I am pretty sure it is clouds at the bottom of the screen in the last frame. You can also see a smoke trail from where the ship has been. It rises vertically and turns downwards towards the camera. So they aren't above the clouds for long.

Which raises the question if the sky is blacked to stop the sun getting in. Would there be any clouds?

Maybe more support for the "the sky is clean again" theory.

Then the deal at the end of the film could be the machine boss saying "OK, we'll let you out, but you've got to promise not to mess up the sky again"

I think that scene with the sky is important, because the scenes after the Nebechanezzar crashed are outside, and there is a breathable atmosphere and I didn't see anyone's breath coming out of their mouths.
Which means that there is air and warmth. The Brothers certainly aren't sloppy enough to let that just be a stupid mistake.

emp wrote:

4) The orange Matrix code shows Smith with his sunglasses, so this is not the image Neo sees when looking at Bane

The Orange Code exists ONLY in the Blue World. I come to this conclusion because of the scene where Neo (blindfolded) is walking in a corridor bathed in Orange Code. Since Neo is only blindfolded in the Blue World, the Orange Code is linked to the Blue World. Therefore.... the image of Smith (look at my picture) is of him in the Blue World. And the only time he is in the Blue World is while possessing Bane.

umm sorry to burst your bubble but that picture of smith is not of him in code, you would be able to see it clearly, it looks like fire a little bit to me, any thoughts on this?

I'm not sure about this one, from what I have seen I have been led to believe that this is SMITH in BANES body - as seen by NEO in the "orange" code...Something that Smith says to Neo He tells him to look beyond the flesh - could be a clue....

SHIP IN THE BLUE SKY
If you freze the frame you can see how there s a LOOP of smoke behind the ship in the shame of an upside "U" (a loop) meaning the SHIP went out past the darkened sky and now is going back down.

BABY FACE vs ARCHITECH FACE
When the lightining crashes you can see it's a baby face, but when it's darker and you can ALMOST see the architech it all depends when you freeze the frame.

I think it's a BABY