»Who is the Merovingian?«

CDHalo wrote:

The Merovingian is an actual real life reference to the alleged bloodline and descendants of Christ. Supposedly the bloodline of Christ is a well protected secret in France and descendants of Christ were safeguarded to France from Israel sometime after his cruxification. Also that most of the royality in Europe, primarily France but also Britian, comes from descendats of Christ, and that Christ was married, had kids, etc, that were taken to France. In the Matrix the Merovingian is refered to as one of the oldest AI's that there are by the Oracle. And he has also survived every conflict with Neo's predessors. He is not Neo and never was, he is a false-Neo, like the antichrist/antisavior, which is also part of the real life Merovingian legend that the antichrist will come from the same bloodline. The Merovingian knows everything, that is his business, being a traffiker of information. The reason why is because he has to know everything to maintain his power--cause and effect. Nothing happens without him knowing or finding out, hence he controls it all and maintains the balance, just like the architect maintains the balance of the entire Matrix. so the architect maintins the Matrix world from the macine world, and the Merovingian controls the Matrix from within the Matrix, but can move in and out of the machine world--or other programs if they are willing to deal with him and they have to because only he can do it...till Neo. So to the machine world the Merovingian is the savior, though not a savior in the upright moral sense, but he is their savior till Neo frees both the humans and the machine world...the ending of revolutions is Neo's freeing of everyone, AI and human, and making peace so the war ends between the macine world and zion. Just like in real life the Merovingian bloodline is a bogus hoax, claiming Jewish ancestry from Christ to a French bloodline of royality the Matrix Merovingian is a false savior. So in the Matrix its the same concept--a fake, but very real, Merovingian who appears to be all powerful because Agents cant touch him so they steer clear of him and his AI's, and he controls the link between the machine world AI's and the Matrix AI's so he is the savior between those because an AI faces either return to the source, deletion, or exile in the Matrix, so being exiled all AI's have to deal with the Merovingain sooner or later. Neo, the real savior, surpasses him by projecting himself into the Matrix without a direct link, just as Neo's self enemy, Smith, figures out how to get out. So ultimately the Merovingian is a fake Neo to the AI's. Just like Neo couldn't find the Oracle in the Matrix, neither could the Merovingian so he has to hunt her down as well. So Neo and the Merovingian are the same from opposite worlds, but Mero is a fake one, not the real one, and Smith intends to surpass even Neo. Hence the whole 'everything that has a begininning has an end' issue--the only way to end Smith is to end himself, and the Merovingian cant stop either of them once they reach a certain point beyond his, like getting in and out of the Matrix without his help, and Neo surpasses all by reaching the machine world without the Merovingians help, like the Mero helps AI's go to and from the machine world and must be dealt with.

This is a great post, and I like what is being said.

I said this before, that I don't think the Merovingian is a previous One. One of the main reason, among many, why I believe this is because of what is said in the "Reloaded Revisited" DVD. One of the production people says that the scene where Neo and Co. meet the Merovingian in his restaurant for the first time, there are five glasses set up, each representing each time he has met with a "One." So if he had had four glasses on the table, then you could say to yourself, maybe he was a previous One. There are five, and Neo is the sixth One. Just something to make you think.

Merv is not the previous Oracle because nothing points at another Oracle before the current one. Simple as that. There has always been one architect, and one "oracle" [being the name given to the program by believers in the matrix].

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CDHalo wrote:

The Merovingian is an actual real life reference to the alleged bloodline and descendants of Christ. Supposedly the bloodline of Christ is a well protected secret in France and descendants of Christ were safeguarded to France from Israel sometime after his cruxification. Also that most of the royality in Europe, primarily France but also Britian, comes from descendats of Christ, and that Christ was married, had kids, etc, that were taken to France. In the Matrix the Merovingian is refered to as one of the oldest AI's that there are by the Oracle. And he has also survived every conflict with Neo's predessors. He is not Neo and never was, he is a false-Neo, like the antichrist/antisavior, which is also part of the real life Merovingian legend that the antichrist will come from the same bloodline. The Merovingian knows everything, that is his business, being a traffiker of information. The reason why is because he has to know everything to maintain his power--cause and effect. Nothing happens without him knowing or finding out, hence he controls it all and maintains the balance, just like the architect maintains the balance of the entire Matrix. so the architect maintins the Matrix world from the macine world, and the Merovingian controls the Matrix from within the Matrix, but can move in and out of the machine world--or other programs if they are willing to deal with him and they have to because only he can do it...till Neo. So to the machine world the Merovingian is the savior, though not a savior in the upright moral sense, but he is their savior till Neo frees both the humans and the machine world...the ending of revolutions is Neo's freeing of everyone, AI and human, and making peace so the war ends between the macine world and zion. Just like in real life the Merovingian bloodline is a bogus hoax, claiming Jewish ancestry from Christ to a French bloodline of royality the Matrix Merovingian is a false savior. So in the Matrix its the same concept--a fake, but very real, Merovingian who appears to be all powerful because Agents cant touch him so they steer clear of him and his AI's, and he controls the link between the machine world AI's and the Matrix AI's so he is the savior between those because an AI faces either return to the source, deletion, or exile in the Matrix, so being exiled all AI's have to deal with the Merovingain sooner or later. Neo, the real savior, surpasses him by projecting himself into the Matrix without a direct link, just as Neo's self enemy, Smith, figures out how to get out. So ultimately the Merovingian is a fake Neo to the AI's. Just like Neo couldn't find the Oracle in the Matrix, neither could the Merovingian so he has to hunt her down as well. So Neo and the Merovingian are the same from opposite worlds, but Mero is a fake one, not the real one, and Smith intends to surpass even Neo. Hence the whole 'everything that has a begininning has an end' issue--the only way to end Smith is to end himself, and the Merovingian cant stop either of them once they reach a certain point beyond his, like getting in and out of the Matrix without his help, and Neo surpasses all by reaching the machine world without the Merovingians help, like the Mero helps AI's go to and from the machine world and must be dealt with.

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And my guess is that Seraph is like a Knight Templar. The real Knights Templar were supposed to have protected the descendants of Christ. But when Seraph found out that the Merovingian was a false saviour he moved on to protect the Oracle. That would explain why, in Revolutions, Merv refers to his as "my little Judas". Seraph states that he protects that which is most important. He goes from protecting the Oracle, to helping save Neo, to protecting Sati: each of whom seem to be the most important people at that time. But I can't figure why Merv calls him "the prodigal child"; Seraph doesn't seem like the prodigal (recklessly extravagant) type.

But Merv is really analagous to Hades, Lord of the Underworld. Hades had a wife whose name was - you guessed it - Persephone. Hades held a prophet with whom Odyssyus had to consult with while on his journey. Not an exact match, but similar to the Key Maker. He lives in (Club) Hel, was protected by ghosts, has the Trainman working for him (ie, the Boat Man who gets you across the river Styx). Look at the train station. Mobil is an anagram for Limbo.

666Scorpio wrote:

But Merv is really analagous to Hades, Lord of the Underworld. Hades had a wife whose name was - you guessed it - Persephone. Hades held a prophet with whom Odyssyus had to consult with while on his journey. Not an exact match, but similar to the Key Maker. He lives in (Club) Hel, was protected by ghosts, has the Trainman working for him (ie, the Boat Man who gets you across the river Styx). Look at the train station. Mobil is an anagram for Limbo.

I never realised the anagram...

I believe the Boatman is named Charon - thanks to Archangel for that one.

I'd thought there'd be something to do with pomegrante seeds, or even Orpheus and Eurydice... Ah well, there's always fanfiction. O

By the way, in astrology, Pluto rules over the sign Scorpio. Watch your back, 666Scorpio!

Comet wrote:

By the way, in astrology, Pluto rules over the sign Scorpio. Watch your back, 666Scorpio!

At least I am not ruled by Uranus, or anyone else's for that matter.

But traditionally was it not Mars that ruled? (Pluto was only discovered 60-odd years ago). I have yet to see a Mars figure in the Matrix.

But Scorpio's significance is in what he did:
The hunter Orion had killed pretty much killed everything that could be killed and he defied the Gods to send him a beast that he could not slay. In comes Scorpio: rather un assuming and all. Orion laughs, Scorpio stings him and they both end up as constellations. (Did Orion smush Scorpio?)

While Sati is the "last Exile" (all though more will come), then Merv might be the first "Exile" and I put it in quotes because it may have been part of a plan.

He may have been a pre-Oracle who tried to figure out the nature of humans but failed.

He may serve the program equivalent of Zion in that those who do not accept it will be released and put there, only to be cleaned up later.

I don't think he would know this. He is entertainingly narcisistic (did I spell that right?) .

When he came to the Matrix "he was like you" (ie Neo in Persephone's words). He was loving, or a saviour perhaps both.

But with reference to the Greeks he is Hades and the Lord of Hell, which is representative of the whole Matrix. The Question is, of the Machine world and the "Real" world - which would constitute the ocean and which would be the land?

DEM apparently controls the machine world as well as the real world. Where does that leave Merv?

66Scorpio wrote:

While Sati is the "last Exile" (all though more will come), then Merv might be the first "Exile" and I put it in quotes because it may have been part of a plan. He may have been a pre-Oracle who tried to figure out the nature of humans but failed. He may serve the program equivalent of Zion in that those who do not accept it will be released and put there, only to be cleaned up later. I don't think he would know this. He is entertainingly narcisistic (did I spell that right?) . When he came to the Matrix "he was like you" (ie Neo in Persephone's words). He was loving, or a saviour perhaps both.

I feel the same way about everything you said here and I couldn't agree with you more.

66scorpio wrote:

And my guess is that Seraph is like a Knight Templar. The real Knights Templar were supposed to have protected the descendants of Christ. But when Seraph found out that the Merovingian was a false saviour he moved on to protect the Oracle. That would explain why, in Revolutions, Merv refers to his as "my little Judas". Seraph states that he protects that which is most important. He goes from protecting the Oracle, to helping save Neo, to protecting Sati: each of whom seem to be the most important people at that time. But I can't figure why Merv calls him "the prodigal child"; Seraph doesn't seem like the prodigal (recklessly extravagant) type.

I think this is a great post. I think this could be a real possiblity explaining the Merovingian and Seraph's relationship.

66scorpio wrote:

And my guess is that Seraph is like a Knight Templar. The real Knights Templar were supposed to have protected the descendants of Christ. But when Seraph found out that the Merovingian was a false saviour he moved on to protect the Oracle. That would explain why, in Revolutions, Merv refers to his as "my little Judas". Seraph states that he protects that which is most important. He goes from protecting the Oracle, to helping save Neo, to protecting Sati: each of whom seem to be the most important people at that time. But I can't figure why Merv calls him "the prodigal child"; Seraph doesn't seem like the prodigal (recklessly extravagant) type.

I think this is a great post. I think this could be a real possiblity explaining the Merovingian and Seraph's relationship.[/quote]

But any idea on the "prodigal child" comment? The biblical story involved a son who wasted the family fortune but eventually returned to the family and was forgiven by his father. Seraph doesn't seem the type, so either he he had a very different personality when he first arrived in the Matrix, or else the Dubya Brothers goofed or purposefully only got half the allegory the same.

66scorpio wrote:

And my guess is that Seraph is like a Knight Templar. The real Knights Templar were supposed to have protected the descendants of Christ. But when Seraph found out that the Merovingian was a false saviour he moved on to protect the Oracle. That would explain why, in Revolutions, Merv refers to his as "my little Judas". Seraph states that he protects that which is most important. He goes from protecting the Oracle, to helping save Neo, to protecting Sati: each of whom seem to be the most important people at that time. But I can't figure why Merv calls him "the prodigal child"; Seraph doesn't seem like the prodigal (recklessly extravagant) type.

I think this is a great post. I think this could be a real possiblity explaining the Merovingian and Seraph's relationship.[/quote]

But any idea on the "prodigal child" comment? The biblical story involved a son who wasted the family fortune but eventually returned to the family and was forgiven by his father. Seraph doesn't seem the type, so either he he had a very different personality when he first arrived in the Matrix, or else the Dubya Brothers goofed or purposefully only got half the allegory the same.

66Scorpio wrote:

But any idea on the "prodigal child" comment? The biblical story involved a son who wasted the family fortune but eventually returned to the family and was forgiven by his father. Seraph doesn't seem the type, so either he he had a very different personality when he first arrived in the Matrix, or else the Dubya Brothers goofed or purposefully only got half the allegory the same.

Well the Merovingian did say, "The prodigal child returns. Are you here for the bounty Seraph?"

What I think is that the Merovingian thought that Seraph had returned to him with Morpheus and Trinity (who the Merovingian had a bounty out for.) And since it is assumed that at one point Seraph worked for the Merovingian, he now returned and wanted to make it up to him by capturing Morpheus and Trinity, which was not the case. This is probably why he calls him the prodigal child.

Jack Frost wrote:

Merovingian is a bloodline of French royalty said to be from the bloodline of Jesus. With all of the Neo/Jesus references, this is an obvious clue. However.... The Merovingian did say that he had faced Neo's predecessors, so please add the poll option of "Just a criminally minded AI exile who used his knowledge to form an evil underground empire"

Almost right...The Merovingian were a group of ruling nobles who precided over europe between 448 - 751, the founder of the Merovingian was Meroveus (quel Suprise).

More details to be found all over the internet, but these are good places to start:

I posted this in another thread and thought it would do nicely here.

Merovingian is basically the devil. Why? Because Jesus was a "Neo", well at least in the Matrix movies. Jesus is exactly what Neo is...someone who can do whatever he wants in the world, miracles, bring people back to life, etc. Also, Jesus was sent to make people believe in God, or the Matrix. Jesus gave people a choice to believe in something that gave meaning to their lives. Neo does the same thing. He can do as he pleases in the Matrix. The code he carries is the same thing...the architect says that he is reinserted into the matrix to spread his code. His code is choice. Jesus was doing the same thing, giving people a choice. Once Thomas Anderson is freed, and does not believe anymore, than the code must be reinserted into someone who does believe. This would explain why Jesus is never seen again after his time, because someone else is the one, this time its Thomas Anderson. Also explains why morpheous says that they have freed more people the past 6 months since they have in the past 6 years. Because Neo is no longer in the matrix, and anderson no longer believes in the matrix, thus its time to reinsert Neo(code) into someone else who believes in the matrix.

This leads to Merv. When do we see him in the movies? We see him trying to stop Neo from reaching the source. Why? Because he wants revenge on the Oracle. See Merv is an exile program that was once the reson why the matrix existed. He was causality. But in the beginning, that failed and so did the matrix. He states,"we struggle against it, we try to deny it...causality...we are forever slaves to it. " He still thinks his programing is the reason for the matrix to exist. That is why persephone says that merv was once like neo, he was once the reason the matrix exists, because without neo the matrix fails. So when the Oracle figured out that choice was the answer, Merv was no longer needed, thus he became an exile. Merv hated the oracle for this. So he tries to stop every "Neo" from reaching the source. See, if a "Neo" were to fail, the Oracle would have no more purpose. She is the one's guide to the source. Than the Oracle would be deleted. Sweet revenge for Merv.

So Merv, was and is the devil. Back in the days he was prob called the devil. Like the other older programs were called ghosts, vampires, angels (seraph), etc. It was just a name given to Merv in an attempt to explain his existence by humans(coppertops). He was the anti-christ, the one who fights against Jesus. What the W. Bros are trying to say is that programs are the reason for vampires, the devil, people dissappearing, miracles, ghosts, deja vu, jesus, etc. Ahhh, it all makes sense now, all these stories in our past have happened because of programs, the matrix and the one.

This explains Seraph. He protects that which is most important. So, he used to protect Merv back in the days. He was the most important program, until the Oracle figured out choice. Now since she is Neo's guide to the source, Seraph protect her.

Soopaman wrote:

I posted this in another thread and thought it would do nicely here. Merovingian is basically the devil.

Really good explanation.

I also beleive that he potentially could be the devil. I've said this many times before.

Neo being Jesus....

I think you are christianising it too much, Look at reloaded when they first go to Zion and they get off the lift - he is treated as a messiah by many different creeds and faiths, not just christians, that makes it obvious that he is this deity figure in the eyes of Zionists and there is no need for speculation here.

Neo & The Merovingian being Jesus and the devil?

Its a typical superhero/arch nemesis senario, just like all good fiction the bible has this story too, but I don't think you can say that they are "this" character or "that" character.

The Merovigian is, in my opinion (pure speculation time) the creator of an earlier version of the Matrix - there is no hard evidence for this, but he keeps programs from the earlier version, he claims to have "survived neo's predessesors", He claims to know (and have an enmity for) the oracle, just as the new architect does and he is the only character to write code (CAKE!).

What of Persephony?
She could have been the old Oracle after all, she knows exactly where The merovingian is and what he is doing when she goes fetch Neo and she knows exactly where to be when the lift stops with them in.

Just a theory for you to argue over..

[/img]I think you are christianising it too much, Look at reloaded when they first go to Zion and they get off the lift - he is treated as a messiah by many different creeds and faiths, not just christians, that makes it obvious that he is this deity figure in the eyes of Zionists and there is no need for speculation here.[img]

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The Zionists are offering there prayers to Neo, why? So he can take care of their loved ones in the Matrix. They see him as a deity figure because of his abilities. That is the extent of Neo's purpose. Architect said,"to disseminate the code you carry..." To spread his code to everyone. That is his quality in the Matrix, he makes everyone believe, because he believes. Once Thomas Anderson stops believing, everyone else stops believing in the Matrix, which is why Morph says,"we have freed more people in past 6 months, than 6 years." Coppertops(people in matrix) stop believing, the Neo program is not spreading, thus, they need to reinsert the Neo program in the Matrix into someone who believes. He affects the beliefs of the Zionists.

See, Neo affects the beliefs of everyone inside the Matrix, and he takes that quality out into the real world. i.e.: He makes morpheous question if the prophecy is real at the end of Reloaded, He makes Niobe believe he is their savior, she gives up her ship when sorren wouldn't. He doesn't do it on purpose, he just affects everyone around him, that is his purpose. In the very beginning of the first matrix, Trinity tells Cypher that it doesn't matter what she believes, chyper told her that he can tell she doesn't believe in the one. Then Neo influences her and at the end she says she is not afraid to believe she would fall in love with the one. She has to believe she is in love with Neo, so what she believes in does matter, that is why he comes back to life and becomes the one at that moment.

The messiahs of the different creed and faiths were problably, in the matrix world, previous Neos. They were who the people followed. Who people were influenced by. There is no religion in the Matrix, people just make that up to believe in their lives in the Matrix. Coppertops back in the day saw Neo(messiah) do some miracle(rearrange matrix) and were influenced by that miracle, Neo gave them fake choice, most followed him, some chose not to. Remember Architect says that there is no real choice, just appearance of choice in the Matrix. To free yourself, you have to really believe in choice.[/img]

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ok...but that statement only confirms what I said about Neo being viewed as a deity figure, it still doesn't establish him as the writers trying to portray the character as a "specific" deity figure.

we are coming off topic here, maybe we should transfere this to a different thread.

That did you think to my Merovingian Theory?

Meroveus wrote:

ok...but that statement only confirms what I said about Neo being viewed as a deity figure, it still doesn't establish him as the writers trying to portray the character as a "specific" deity figure.

Agreed. He is in essence an Avatar, which JC, Krishna, et al, are also.

Meroveus wrote:

That did you think to my Merovingian Theory?

That Mero was the creator of the original Matrix? This has merit. It might be interesting to see a prequel to the Matrix films, that examined the creation / downfall of the 1st Matrix.

Meroveus wrote:

What of Persephony? She could have been the old Oracle after all, she knows exactly where The merovingian is and what he is doing when she goes fetch Neo and she knows exactly where to be when the lift stops with them in.

I really don't think she's a previous Oracle because the Oracle was in the matrix before Persophone and the Merovingian arrived in the matrix, and the machines run very efficiently. What I mean by this is that they would never create two programs with the same purpose unless they were going to delete one of them, and the Oracle wasn't trying to be deleted by the machines. Had Persephone been created before the Oracle then I could have believed this, but that's not the case.

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Oracle was in the matrix before Persophone and the Merovingian arrived in the matrix

Just because the oracle appears in the first film, doesn't mean to say that she is the Original oracle, remember I suggested that Pers and The Merv have hidden in the matrix to escape reabsorbtion, what you say in that quote doesn't change my theory, or make it wrong.

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and the machines run very efficiently. What I mean by this is that they would never create two programs with the same purpose unless they were going to delete one of them

well no, they don't really run efficiantly, the matrix is filled with rogue programs that refuse to return to the source and in the end it gets so bad that they have to rely on a human to clear up a rogue programme that gets out of hand.
As for the current Oracle, She is hiding just like all the other rogue programs, if the source could delete her it would have, along with The Mero and all the other rogue programs in the system.

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Had Persephone been created before the Oracle then I could have believed this, but that's not the case.

Do you have any evidence to back up this statement?

My theory is that, just a theory, Whats yours?

I don't view Persephone as a previous Orace but she's definetly a predecessor to the Oracle. She is designed to study emotion so there is a definite link between the two. Mero is obviously the Matrix Devil(PErsephone was the wife of Hades + Club Hel) and I believe a creator of an older version (the 2nd not the 1st). SO in his own right also a predecessor to the Oracle, perhaps that's why MEro and Persephone are together...

Here's an idea that no one has thought of yet. I have read ALL 4 pages of this thread and not one mention of this. I just read an article or more accurately a snippet from a book about the Holy Grail by Philip Gardiner.
According to some new popular beliefs through some new research and revelations, the Holy Grail represents either of three things ... (imagine that 3 eh ?) ... (1) the blood of Christ caught in a legendary cup and (2) a cup that Christ drank from along with his followers at the last supper. ( It was really the 1st roast hosted by Dean Martin that never made it on TV ) and (3) the bloodline of Christ via Mary Magdelagne and children.
A couple things things come to mind here ... some have stated that the Merovingians were a line of Kings that were direct descendants of Christ and others have said that the Merovingians were part of some secret society that was based on Luciferian principles, Illuminati and yet some have stated that the Merovingians/Illuminati were protectors of said Christ bloodline. Ok so there are a lot of different ideas about this scenario.
First off, all this stuff is pretty much ancient history and much of the evidence is non-existent/lost or very spotty at best. So we pretty much have to take all this on faith or BELIEF. This is the dangerous area here ... Faith/Belief ... taking this ALL on FAITH ?
OKee Dokee eh !
The Gnostic's ( Pagan ones that is ) spoke of a knowing ... did they not ? More later about Gnostics. For now ...
In his book he (P. Gardiner) states that Christ never existed in the sense that modern religion says. He was a character/construct from an earlier time that of course was as real as one would expect when contemplating spiritual matters. However, the story had been assimilated by subsequent civilizations and changed/distorted on down thru the ages. Religion is just another control program people !
Hence, why it has to change over long periods of time to suit the mindset of the current control subjects. There are many characters akin to Christ all throughout the acnient world ... Bhudda is the 1st that comes to mind but there have been many many others. So it isn't a real leap of faith so to speak that the story of Christ is much older than we are led to believe. He is just the most recent version if you will. AND he did not necessarily need to be a real person at the time when they brought this NEW religion into being. The Roman Empire saw what was going on and realized that they had to come up with a new plan because people were rejecting the current version of the Matrix.
Are you with me so far ?
Basically human civilaization has been and probably always will be controlled by money and resources and power. Have money ? Got power ... have power ? Definitely have control. Oh ... and don't forget about knowledge/education. It's what many have been writing about for years now. The power of the money changers/bankers that have been steering the course of civilization for millennia now is what movies like the Matrix are all about. It's no accident that Art immitates Life.
Now if the Christ story as we know it from the bible is just a fabrication then ALL the speculation about the connections to the Matrix are skewed at best. Since the story goes back much further than when Christ was said to walk the Earth then the obvious connection to the Matrix would be that the whole idea of " A One " came from an earlier time. I think this is the idea they may be alluding to in the Matrix. The predecesors of the One ... a series of Matrix's ? or Zion's ?
That deeper meaning that some have alluded to here in some posts ? Looking at the darkside from a strictly Bibilical standpoint severely limits ones overall view of that side of the coin. Too many of the old writings are gone and lost. The burning of the Library at Alexandria was probably one of the worst things to happen to civilization. Things have been left out, hidden ... and we know how secrets are a trademark of the powers that be. One of the funniest things I read here was that the Merovingians were the Illuminati and that they were good guys ? *@&# !
Yikes ! Where has this guy been ?
The attitude of the Merovingian perfectly fits that of some humans here that seem to think they have some GOD given Divine right to rule over the Earth ... via bloodlines ? Excuse me for living my LORD
He actually probably believes that he IS GOD ! Something akin to what Lucifer seems to think too. According to the Gnostics, some inorganic lifeform created when the solar system formed, thought this very same thing ... that it ... I ... created ALL of this around me ... and in essense deceived even itself. Merovingian anyone ?
Being an adept at deception one can connect Merv to Hades/Satan/Lucifer ... I suppose.
He definitely represents some form of control and with a tight grip too. But as some have said that when challenged he crumbles like a house of cards. It's an illusion .. his power. So said the Gnostics about the Archons ... remember those inorganic beings they talked about ?
Something the Gnostics said about these beings is that they cannot posses what humans do. Hence, another allusion to the what the machines will never have ?
They can trick us, fool us, and make a lie the truth. The power of illusion/virtual reality. The only way this works is if we as humans buy it. And these days that isn't very hard to do ... get a human to buy something ...
something to think about here I think ...
XoFFoX
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Good post XoFFox and welcome to the forum!

just another theory of control and power, as told from a chrisitan point of view.

welcome to the forum

Meroveus wrote:

just another theory of control and power, as told from a chrisitan point of view. welcome to the forum

I agree

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They can trick us, fool us, and make a lie the truth. The power of illusion/virtual reality. The only way this works is if we as humans buy it. And these days that isn't very hard to do ... get a human to buy something ...

yeah, i agree. problem is though, temptation is just another part of human nature, or actually a big part of it these days if we think about it, and temptation goes hand in hand with this,,,,i mean if all us humans are this gullible, then it seems like we all just wanna be fooled by {[insert reason for temptation]}, hence temptation and our own gullibility (is that even a word?, lol) cross paths, which just makes things worse. also, peoples natural curiosity comes into this, and because most people have a naturally inquisitive nature, then thats this whole thing already set in motion by the fact that we're all just susceptible to our own flaws.
most of us (while talking about the problems and cliches of control) need some measure of control in our lives, which finally brings me to the matrix. (now this is my opinion and i'm probably wrong, but whatever) of course control is abused when a certain lever of power is attained by those who assume that control, and alot of the movie has some symbolism of fighting against control as a rebellon, even though it is mostly portrayed through the eyes of the "good guys trying to save the world and stop the naughty bad people from beating everyone and taking over the world" (god i hate that cliche....am i the only one?). of course, to some extent, that is used as a kind of shell to stop people delving into the deeper meanings and philosiphy of the film,,,but anyway, going off topic, so moving on....
alot of the reason the characters can be fooled and tricked, is because of their obvious and intentional flaws,,,such as the things that are portrayed,,,like love, anger, revenge, and the need to "act the hero"....these are some of the characters flaws, and each character reacts to them differently, in their own specifically tailored way, not unlike the real world, where we are all, no matter how much we deny it, controlled by these impulses. and of course, that brings me back to the start, of why we are al so gullible and easy to fool.

so there we are,,,,after i finished that, i realise now that i didnt even sonday anything about the merovingian like i should've, but either way, i'll leave everone to per that for a while. also, yes, i'll say it again...this is just my opinion and it's probably wrong, so tell me anything you wanna correct me on if thats the case....