»Who is the Merovingian?«

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alot of the reason the characters can be fooled and tricked, is because of their obvious and intentional flaws,,,such as the things that are portrayed,,,like love, anger, revenge, and the need to "act the hero"....these are some of the characters flaws, and each character reacts to them differently, in their own specifically tailored way, not unlike the real world, where we are all, no matter how much we deny it, controlled by these impulses.

This is why Smith asks Neo what he's fighting for in the end. Neo responds indicates not being "led" by anything, exercising pure choice this time.

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This is why Smith asks Neo what he's fighting for in the end. Neo responds indicates not being "led" by anything, exercising pure choice this time.

ya, i totally agree with you, but if you look at it in a certain way, that clashes with what i said. i mean, of course, he made his own choice, but that choice, like all choices, was affected by his personality and character conflicts.
of course this, in a way would of course just be me saying that everyone is a slave to their emotions, and no matter how stupid that is, there is of course some degree of truth in it.
so in conclusion, yes of course he made his own choice, but it was affected by his own humanity, as all choices are....

....thats the same for all of us though, which in theory makes us all Emo....damn....

To me the Merovingian represents the elite families of Europe. Whether they were of a Jewish bloodline or not doesn't matter, right now in the present they are gentile's. To be able to see the analogy though first you have to be aware that The Matrix itself is an analogy for Jewish power and control within the western world. The fact that almost every newspaper and news outlet in America is in Jewish hands is what the Matrix refers to, the Jewish ability to shape our perception.

Just adding my own take on something mentioned earlier... Granted, almost all of this is conjecture, so I'm hoping to hear some critical thought on this as to whether or not there's weight to this theory...

I do think that the Merovingian was the previous "influence" agent that was meant to live among the humans in the second Matrix. As it proved to be a failure, he was determined to be deleted but refused, thus becoming the first Exile (parallel to Satan). Merv interfered in the Architect's workings in an attempt to shore up power in the Matrix--the only realm as an exile he could wield power in--which only lead to more exiles (the Twins, etc, were recruited from here). In this world, the Oracle "stumbled upon" choice as being the critical issue and presented these findings to the Architect with the plan to use choice to the system's advantage. The Merovingian would be used as part of the game since he was too powerful: he would provide choice for the programs. Zion would be created to provide choice for the humans. This is only why the Merovingian is so hell-bent on making things hard for the Oracle. He is jealous of her success. He is resentful of his part in her plans. He would like to see her fail to show that causality is the only real truth.

Why? Well, it was something that struck me about the commentary tracks in the box set: the reference to Godel's proof that a mathematical system can be either complete or consistent but not both made sense from the way the Architect views the Matrix as a harmony of mathematical precision (well, when not ruined by us pesky humans not accepting the program). Merv controlled the Matrix through causality which while consistent was not complete. When the Oracle replaced him, she brought completeness through the illusion of free choice, but inconsistency as the 1% saw through the illusion. But being intuitive, she learned that it was not the answer, and so designed the Neo One to be an agent that would not only break the cycle but understand its problems so that *hopefully* he would find the solution to the Matrix's incompleteness.

He is just one of those programs inside the matrix who has escaped deletion after its purpose being fulfilled..and he survives and thrives by building his own racket and finding similar programs who fear deletion...Over a period of time his powers grew and he started making his own little programs.. like lady with cake.. and started using his men to do all sort of bad things inside the matrix..

The path of the One is the source. He has to reinsert the prime program so humanity can go on living, otherwise there wold be a cataclismic crash that, combined with the destruction of Zion, wold result in the end of human race.
From the first to the fifth version all Ones decided to enter the Source and save huaman race at the cost of the Resistance (Zion) being crashed.
All cilcles got renewed, all Ones entered the Source.
So, if the Merovingian is a former One, how the hell did he escape from inside the Source?
Is he code-related to a former One? I don't doubt that. Smith was. He think of himself as a decendent of Jesus (the One)? Thats for sure.
But he coldn't be a One, or else he wold have to go to the sourco in order to the cicle geting renewed.

To be deleted when you have no purpose is a rule from the Source (from God).

But just as with God, The Source let's you make up your own damn mind if you want to comply to this rule or not. A program can decide, out of free will, to escape to the Matrix.

Artificial Intelligence learns from human behaviour. Since the humans have the concept of choice, the machines/programs adapted this concept too.

To be chased by an agent (who is just a mere puppet) is one of the consequences when you choose to live as an exile. That's why the exiles mostly gather into one organisation. This way they are harder to catch and beat.

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aryan proleterian wrote:

merovingian is a bloodline of David & Jesus , so he is ... a jew, zion is also jewish, "matrix" is produced by jews... and so is the real matrix.... ...in a word, it is all a big jewish crap.

little bit idiot and little bit NAZI or more facist

Another Smith wrote:

I feel that the Merovingian represents everything that is 'bad' in the Matrix - Power, Greed, Lust, Selfishness, Pride etc.. He has power and wants to keep a tight hold on that power and his status. Remember ~ Absolute power corrupts absolutely.... LONG LIVE SMITH

i think you are right Another Smith. I believe and have stated before that the merv, represents the devil. it is only fitting that the matrix represents hell, and there is nothing in the matrix that he does not know about.

Very obvious. For those of you who know an amount of Greek Mythology, you might know that Persephone was the name of Hades's wife. I therefore come to the conclusion that the Merovingian represents a demonic figure.

Names don't tell the whole story. Or do you think he represents a descendant of Christ as well?

Sometimes I like to think of the Merovingian as just someone who is permantly jacked into the matrix, with power, maybe he sold Zion out in one of the previous matrices. When he says "I used to be like you" he may be referring that he used to be a red-piller, but somehow he made a deal with a former agent, and is now a superpowerful program. When he calls Seraph "wingless" could he be referring that maybe Seraph used to be in on his selling Zion out, but now working for the good guys? I like to look at things from a lot of different angles, and some times this seems to be the best one

stanley_125 wrote:

When Neo visited the Architect, The previous Ones apeared on screens on the walls of the room, None of them looked like the Merovigian. That doesn't mean he couldn't have changed his appearence or still someone elses body kinda like smith, but it just sounds very unlikely. Why would he do that? unless it was a necesity, but still that's just too much. There's only two or so more hours of plot left to see in the matrix. I really dont think they'll spend the time talking about the Merovigian being a previous One, and if he were, then they would at least have mentioned him in the cast list for revolutions. I also read the "How many Neos have existed? How many Zions?" section and that contradicts what i just wrote a little, but the TV screens to me show sometimes reactions of previous Ones, like in the part of the "4-3-2" predesesors, and sometimes is just the new (6th) neo, like when he leaves the room. People would have to read the section to see what i'm talking about, I dont want to restate everything. And that other part about some of the residents of Zion recognizing Neo, It could also be possible that they get freed from the matrix without ever seen Neo. And have hust been told about him by the oracle. I guess i'm going a bit out of topic here, but i just wanted to make sure my point has some backup.

They are the potential responses of Neo....his choices.

Some answers are very simple about the movie...the entire movie can almost be answered with a few key quotes...the problem is choice...some things never change, and some things do...it is what we are meant to do...know thy self...you weren't ready to be told, well who decided that...can't know the answers if you are not asking the right questions...this movie is about becoming aware and concious of all....Everything that has a begining has an end....

I have almost solved all mysteries of the movie...the person who wrote the intro to this website has no idea what he is talking about...if you have questions ask me and I swear I will have answers...

The answer is in the movie...the Oracle says "he is a powerful and old program"...btu Merv thinks he is much bigger and more important than he actually is..."he doesn't know himself " ...his real purpose or "Karma" or "what he is meant to do" is to hold the keymaker from "the One"...until "the One" is ready to continue his journey to the source...thats why Merv is familiar with "Neo's predecsors" thats why he is bored and so is Perceph....to kill time and to gain power to cure boredom while he waits he has been bringing in programs to the Matrix...it is only a game to him, why.., because its the same crap over and over...cause and effect...but through time he has become more powerful and ultimatley more fed up with the game....its his business to know he is a trafficer of information...he is a good example of how over time things are changing in the Matrix...with both programs and humans...everything that has a begining has an end....which is why the Oracle decides to play the dangerous game..or takes a risk...of allowing more choices for NEO...to help him awaken and bring about and ending for a new beginning. Ask me I am Verdis (hows your Latin)

verdis wrote:

I have almost solved all mysteries of the movie...the person who wrote the intro to this website has no idea what he is talking about...if you have questions ask me and I swear I will have answers...

Mmmm...o..k..I agree with you about the OP but let's see if what you say about yourself is true.

I don't know if this has been said yet, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. The Merovingian Is suposed to be a diabolical figure, more than likely representing the Mythological Greek Lord of the underworld. However, he was suposedly in charge of the second creation of the Matrix. The first matrix was suposed to be a eutopia, but people could not live in a world without some sort of pain or anguish. So a second matrix was cereated, this one failed as well because it was full of torment and discord. The merovingian was in charge of creating the nightmare creatures that romed this world. IE werewolves, ghosts, vampires. After that matrix failed as well, he was suposed to be deleated along with it, but mangaged to escape deletion. And now serves as a trafficer of illegal programs. As for him or any other character in the matrix being a "One" this is extremly unlikely and near imposible. The one is an equation put into the matrix, once it's balanced what it needs to it is discarded until it is needed again. That's why the oracle tells Sati that she's sure they'll see NEO again in the future. It may not be him physically, but all the components will be present

You left out of the poll: A program that use to run the matrix.

To which I vote: aye.

Meroveus wrote:

just another theory of control and power, as told from a chrisitan point of view. welcome to the forum

Thank You for the welcome.
I really wasn't trying to come at this from a strictly religious point of view. I don't consider myself religious but I do consider myself a spiritual being. The information I was drawning upon comes from folks who probably are religious to an extent.
A really good quote I read about theories and conspiracy theories to be more specific.
(Paraphrased from memory)
If one fact can be demonstrated to support a (conspiracy) theory then that theory is no longer a theory, it then has a high probablility of becoming a fact.

Firstly, I'm not bored really and secondly I don't consider myself a loser. People who are addicted to crack et. al. are losers and believe me I've had my fair share of trying to help those to get away from it..
If you look at temptation from a religious perspective it is seen as weakness, evil, etc. I saw no indication that Neo was tempted to use his abilities in a negative way or out of weakness. Please remeber this was a Holywierd Production and NOT real life as we know it. And yes I still stand by by quote that the majority of humans can be made quite easily to buy anything. Look at the Gov cover story for 911 for instance. I don't buy any of it but that's just me. Such is the power of illusion. It's not THE truth but it has a truthiness to it. And since 911 we have seen the same tactic used again and again. It seems to work everytime. When the old matrix ceases to function as it was designed then a new one must be created to keep the sheep in line. That's how I would do it anyway if I were them. Always one step ahead of the game

----- Isadora ----- wrote:

Quote: They can trick us, fool us, and make a lie the truth. The power of illusion/virtual reality. The only way this works is if we as humans buy it. And these days that isn't very hard to do ... get a human to buy something ... yeah, i agree. problem is though, temptation is just another part of human nature, or actually a big part of it these days if we think about it, and temptation goes hand in hand with this,,,,i mean if all us humans are this gullible, then it seems like we all just wanna be fooled by {[insert reason for temptation]}, hence temptation and our own gullibility (is that even a word?, lol) cross paths, which just makes things worse. also, peoples natural curiosity comes into this, and because most people have a naturally inquisitive nature, then thats this whole thing already set in motion by the fact that we're all just susceptible to our own flaws. most of us (while talking about the problems and cliches of control) need some measure of control in our lives, which finally brings me to the matrix. (now this is my opinion and i'm probably wrong, but whatever) of course control is abused when a certain lever of power is attained by those who assume that control, and alot of the movie has some symbolism of fighting against control as a rebellon, even though it is mostly portrayed through the eyes of the "good guys trying to save the world and stop the naughty bad people from beating everyone and taking over the world" (god i hate that cliche....am i the only one?). of course, to some extent, that is used as a kind of shell to stop people delving into the deeper meanings and philosiphy of the film,,,but anyway, going off topic, so moving on.... alot of the reason the characters can be fooled and tricked, is because of their obvious and intentional flaws,,,such as the things that are portrayed,,,like love, anger, revenge, and the need to "act the hero"....these are some of the characters flaws, and each character reacts to them differently, in their own specifically tailored way, not unlike the real world, where we are all, no matter how much we deny it, controlled by these impulses. and of course, that brings me back to the start, of why we are al so gullible and easy to fool. so there we are,,,,after i finished that, i realise now that i didnt even sonday anything about the merovingian like i should've, but either way, i'll leave everone to per that for a while. also, yes, i'll say it again...this is just my opinion and it's probably wrong, so tell me anything you wanna correct me on if thats the case....

The key to your statement here IS about Neo's choice .
He chose to make a decision that was beneficial to HUMANITY.
He chose OTHERS over SELF. He in essense, sacrificed himself so that his fellows could continue as I imagine, because of my belief in re-incarnation that he would be back sooner or later.
I didn't see any conflict in his choice. He knew from the start what he would do according to his alledged character flaws, the choice he would make and that was to lend himself in service of others before the self. I really don't think he wanted to be a Hero or a Martyr. He saw himself as a humble regular human.

----- Isadora ----- wrote:

Quote: This is why Smith asks Neo what he's fighting for in the end. Neo responds indicates not being "led" by anything, exercising pure choice this time. ya, i totally agree with you, but if you look at it in a certain way, that clashes with what i said. i mean, of course, he made his own choice, but that choice, like all choices, was affected by his personality and character conflicts. of course this, in a way would of course just be me saying that everyone is a slave to their emotions, and no matter how stupid that is, there is of course some degree of truth in it. so in conclusion, yes of course he made his own choice, but it was affected by his own humanity, as all choices are.... ....thats the same for all of us though, which in theory makes us all Emo....damn....

Very astute observation all of which is undeniable. It could be that this film is very subtle programming to let the masses know just who the masters are. I kinda feel the frustration of Mel Gbson and his quandry. He knows, but what can he do even with the kind of cash he can toss around. Money talks but more money talks even louder. And yes, The Merovingian reeks of Royal oppulence, arrogance and superiority above all others. But like I said in my very first post here on this forum is that once challenged they crumble like a house of cards. Because they have no REAL power to back up their position. The money they create through the FED is worthless, backed by nothing but a false promise. Sound familiar ?
The movie is very allegorical to todays reality or should I say un-reality for those who have awoken.

WhatheMatrixis wrote:

To me the Merovingian represents the elite families of Europe. Whether they were of a Jewish bloodline or not doesn't matter, right now in the present they are gentile's. To be able to see the analogy though first you have to be aware that The Matrix itself is an analogy for Jewish power and control within the western world. The fact that almost every newspaper and news outlet in America is in Jewish hands is what the Matrix refers to, the Jewish ability to shape our perception.

I can agree with this angle as well. He may well have been someone who figured out the program and used it for his own personal gain. Manipulator, Lyer, Conman, power broker, always seeking more, and deletion was absolutely out of the question for him. No ONE was going take away what he wanted most and that ambition included the role of the Architect himself, since he was sooo set on obtaining the eyes of the Oracle. To see all and to even surpass what the Architect had done and also what he (Architect) couldn't wrap his mind around. Which is why the Architect employed the use of the Oracle. To engage the randomness and human unpredictability that messed up his beautiful mathimatical formulas he thought would keep the Matrix from falling apart.
He figured he could figure out using Math, the behavior of humans ... ha ! what a Putz ! I'm not Jewish but I like that description.
It's very weird that I am writing here on this forum again. I had completely forgotten about it. I only stumbled onto it researching Merovingians historical data ... the real ones that is after hearing Philip Gardiner on Coast to Coast AM quite sometime ago.
I was doing a Google on something totally unrelated to this and a hit for my first post here ever came up. I had noticed that there had been some new posts ( not many ) in reply to my 1st. So I am glad to be back chiming in again after seeing in the real world, many of the mind-tricks used in the Matrix for real.
Another item of note: ( slightly off Topic but SSB )
I hadn't seen the latest Star Wars release " Revenge of the Sith" until it was already out on DVD. And so it was quite sometime after I had posted my first rant here. I was amazed at how similar that twisted storyline went regarding politics and backroom deals as in the REAL WORLD. After seeing both "The Clone Wars" and the next installment AND keeping up on current events in our REAL WORLD, that there was some rather disturbing analogies. Uncanny really ...
This is where THAT story ties into THIS story ... it's the same damn theme ! A web of lies and deceit in the pursuit of the ultimate goal ... ultimate control.
A lil aside ...
As a musician, and a self admitted perfectionist, I have been playing with some ... well ... non-perfectionist types. They asked me to form a group, a band. They wanted to do my material for the most part, which consisted of cover tunes since my original material required more than a three piece band and the fact that most of it was studio oriented. ( not easy to do live, but do-able ). I encountered the same resistance to change and at the same time the unwillingness to follow a program. Hmmm ... what a conundrum. LOng story short, I couldn't really work with them to get to where they wanted to be ... the top of the heap basically. I continu to play with them to this day but they still haven't learned anything new and STILL refuse to work within a program. BUT due to human nature they STILL manage to move forward, albeit a lil slower, but forward nonetheless. Funny thing is ... is that some of our regular party guests caught a rather curious affliction. They wanted to play music too. The wanted to be US. And they accelled at such a fast rate just by watching US and learning by our example.
It amazed me how fast these OLDER people ( not kids ) learned and became quite proficient at the basics. NOw they get up on stage with US ( the seasoned ones ) and hold their own. Moral of the story is that the old ones were too rigid in their ways and refused to grow out of their self imposed matrix. Where as the ones who were willing to learn and adapt became proficient to the point of being able to play with pro's to a certain extent.
I learned the art of music from a fairly early age (7 or and these newbies were already in their 30's !
There is an analogy here in this aside, to the Matrix. Don't be fooled, intimidated, led to believe only on someone elses word or your own ie. lots of people tell themselves ... I can't do it or they get some bad feedback from someone ... telling them they shouldn't quit their day jobs.
The only thing that held Neo back was his own self doubt. Slowly but surely he overcame that insecurity and was able to walk down his own path with no fear and not letting the fact that others before him had failed, and didn't let that interfere with HIS choices. He had some moments of doubt but that wouldn't change things a least not for him.
Another funny thing is that it seems many Holyweird stories portray a Hero/Protagonist, triumphing over the odds. And maybe that's a key here ... not triumphing over a nebulous, unseen entity called Evil ... but agianst the odds. Sounds like another money game to me. Didn't Han Solo say " Never tell me the odds". ?

Matrix Guru wrote:

He is just one of those programs inside the matrix who has escaped deletion after its purpose being fulfilled..and he survives and thrives by building his own racket and finding similar programs who fear deletion...Over a period of time his powers grew and he started making his own little programs.. like lady with cake.. and started using his men to do all sort of bad things inside the matrix..