»Neo is not the One«

If the oracle is right then Neo is the not the One.
Also Morphus says "The One will end the war." but he didn't, the the Matrix still stands therefor the war is still going on.

Hello there Bakujin!
Welcome to Matrix-Explained!

But the war has ended... Neo and Smith both back at the source...

The War is over .... .... .... For now ....

i am in agreeance with Another Smith.

You see Neo made a deal with the Machine God, that if he beat Smith the war would end. Which it did.

So there fore NEO is the One.

I believe Neo did fulfil the prophecy, as it was never said that he would completely end the war, but rather...

'Hail the destruction of the Matrix... end the war...bring freedom to our people'.

‘Hail’ means to ‘summon’ or ‘call’

He was its beginning, it's anouncment, its call, as those who now want out will be freed

A first step towards peace, a breakthrough.

I wrote something about this in another thread. I will paste it here...

The Prophecy was true all along. The man who was born inside the Matrix, was the anomaly unleashing the new equation. He freed the first people for the new Zion. So this is true.
Remaking the Matrix as he saw fit is kinda true also. He can manipulate the air in order to fly, he can let weapons fly to his hands, he can stop bullets, he hacked Smith to oblivion in M1, etc.

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After he died the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people.

His coming did indeed hail the destruction of the Matrix, because he also brought Smith to the game. If he wasn't stopped, he would destruct the Matrix.
The war will end...This is also true in a way...
When Zion is destroyed, the machines have won and the war ends. There will be a temporary truce in order to let the 23 people be freed and let them build up Zion.

So the Prophecy is just true for each cycle. It's just a little misleading in order to motivate the humans.

Conclusion: Neo was the One

so essentially "the one" is not the saviour of humanity as the oracle made the humans believe but rather it marks a series of events which all fall at roughly the same time but are caused by different forces

the destruction of the matrix as mobil_ave_neo says and i have also stated COULD be interpreted as the actions of smith

the ending of the war was initiated by neo

the only part of the prophecy that is debatable entirely is the "who had the ability to change whatever he wanted...to remake the matrix as he saw fit"

there is not indication that neo could do this...although after smith assimilated sati/the oracle etc he could suddenly fly/see the future/change the weather to lightning

given that there is nothing in the dialogue to PROVE that sati had a purpose or was given a purpose and by the fact that if she had a purpose then she would have returned to the machine world...then we can assertain that she was able to "change the matrix as she saw fit" by evidence of the sunset/sunrise and also given that we are told by the oracle that a programme has already been writen to "govern the birds,the wind,the trees,sunrise and sunset" then we can conclude that she is the fulfilment of the last part of the prophecy

heres another funny link....

there is reference to the zelda games in the matrix by way of zee(zelda) and link

so what if neo represents link from the legend of zelda(triforce of courage)smith represents ganondorf(triforce of power)and sati represent zelda(triforce of wisdom)wisdom is also refered to in the zen buddhism state of sati

and in zelda it is the triforce of wisdom that rules the other 2

hahaha

problem solved

The Prophecy says a man and not a woman or a girl.

And what would be the efficiency of this?
So you think that the Prophecy was really thought up by the Oracle, but after five cycles she was very dissapointed about the humans? It became a routine job for her and she decided to manipulate a little more in order to see if her Prophecy would really come true?

Could be...but still it is not man...it is a program and in female-form.

And why would Rama and Kamala only start to make a baby when the One makes a different choice? It doesn't end up.

I agree with you about the remaking of the Matrix. He is manipulating it more than remaking it. He only 'plays' with the rules. And destroying Smith was not really remaking, but destructing.

Maybe the brothers just made a little detail-error in M1. They never knew if they would film part 2 en 3 and 'remake' sounds better to the audience than 'manipulate'.

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When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit

The Matrix-program is the choice-equation and the rules within it. Maybe they mean that he can choose whatever he wants without the interferrence of the equation and/or that he can remake the rules of the Matrix in order to do whatever he pleases, like flying.
With "change whatever he wants", they could also mean that he has the last decision about the Matrix: will it crash or will it be restarted?

Morpheus: When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit.

Whatever he wanted? ...as he saw fit?

Have you ever considered this may be more like remembering something Legendary than something that’s fact? It could be exaggerated a bit. I can imagine the stories of Neo being exaggerated to future generations. Heck, we only have to look around the Many matrix forums that there are to see people going further with what Neo did already.

Good point. The story could be manipulated by the founders of each Zion.

But I was defending it as if it came out of the mouth of the Oracle. And programs do not lie, it's not efficient. She may mislead, but not lie.

Hugh?

When did the Oracle say that?

"...as if"

I am not saying she said it. I assumed that Morpheus quoted alot from her.

Morpheus: When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. After he died the Oracle prophesied his return and that his coming would hail the destruction of the Matrix and the war, bring freedom to our people. That is why there are those of us who have spent our entire lives searching the Matrix looking for him. -taken from M1

The highlighted bit is the prophesy, as for the rest...

dude...i cannot believe that you just made an allusion to Zelda.

that reeks of awesomeness.

to mobil_ave_neo

about your first line after my last post

prohecy does say a man...but that is in relation to the previous version of the matrix

and given that my argument that the prophecy is a way to control the anomaly and was never expected by the oracle to actually come true

then there is no reason that the fulfilment of the prophecy cant be a woman/programme whatever...

Grendelvs wrote:

dude...i cannot believe that you just made an allusion to Zelda. that reeks of awesomeness.

wht thank you

hahaha

I think it is a bullshit allusion though

The Prophecy always came true...

The One returns to the Source and ends the war.
There is a temporary truce in order to let them rebuild Zion, which is needed again for the machines to use it as a reservoir.

Now the only difference is that the One went to the Source on a different path. And the truce is now meant to last longer.

He took a harder path --> the truce will be longer

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I think it is a bullshit allusion though

i agree...and i came up with it

but its simply another way of interpreting the story

i do think the "zee" and "link" thing is a solid reference though

Did you read the Prophecy-part yet?
I think it was my fault...I was adding it later by edit, so I think you just missed it.

Mobil_Ave_Neo said:

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The Prophecy always came true... The One returns to the Source and ends the war. There is a temporary truce in order to let them rebuild Zion

Wtf?

No truce mate, they get slaughtered! They die fighting! No change in the war, it will just build up again after Zion is restored.

There is a temporary truce after the slaughter.
The machines let them build up a new Zion.
They could also squash them, but they need them to be a reservoir for the unbalancing of the new equation.

Whatever you call it, the dissemination of the One ends the war temporarely.

hmm.... strange way to view it.

A Truce is usually an agreement between both parties.

And the War was ended because the Machines won!

I agree that they allow Zion to be Rebuilt as a result of the Anomaly not being solved.

OK I agree. Truce is too much of a word to use in that situation.

I have been thinking...

I think that the Prophecy is honest.
"Listen to me, Neo. You can save Zion if you reach The Source"

Would the Oracle lie? I think not. Going to the Architect is the first step. It is all about choice-making; the problem is choice.

The One CAN end the war if he really wants it.
The predecessors just failed!

The problem with whether Neo was the one or not depends, in part, on what you regard his function to have been.
Try this for an idea:

On the one hand, the Architect makes it clear in Reloaded that the function of the one is to return to Zion after its destruction with several other humans from the matrix and to then rebuild. The cycle starts again, the one is "woken up", tries to end the war but elects to return to Zion when given the choice and so it goes on. Now as I have argued elsewhere, this points gives the impression that the function of the one is simply a system generated programme to control the anamolay that arose - in other words a system re-boot. From this point of view Neo is not the one (the one who will end the war) as none of the previous "ones" brought about the freedom of humanity etc. The one is simply "another form of control" as Neo puts it.

On the other hand Neo is the one from the point of the view that he does not follow the path of the other "ones" in electing to save Zion (and thereby enabling the system re-boot). Instead he chooses to save Trinity. This leads from a reloading of the system to a revolution within the system. Further, the chaos caused to the system by the Smith programme results in a deal being struck between Neo and the Machines and the (temporary) end to the war.

In conclusion: Neo was not meant to be the one in terms of ending the war - the whole idea of the one was a clever solution to an inherent system problem.
However, by default he ends up becoming the one who ends the war because of his connection to Agent Smith. Smith revolts against the system therefore Neo has to do likewise in order to stop him.

Does that make any sense?

Neo did not destroy the matrix, that is true. But he did everything else on that list. He brought freedom to the people of Zion and ended the war. The one thing that happened with Neo which never happened before was that Zion was not destroyed (yet....)

According to me, Neo is a kind of "artifical" One, meaning that the Oracle waits for a guy that she will lead ot get the power of the One (we see with the orphans that Neo is not the only one with a gift).

I think that the Kid was meant to be the "natural" One (he left the Matrix alone, wich is impossible even for Neo). But somehow the machines can trick the equation.

Notice how the Kid knows where Neo is, when he comes, etc. For me, he is just feeling the code somehow...