»A humble suggestion«

I admit, after seeing Revolutions the first two times in the theatres I was a bit disappointed by the finale, but let me say this. I recently watched the 3 movies again, back to back to back over the course of 24 hours, spread em out a bit and just let sink in slowly. (While I frequent these boards looking for more answers, and discovering new questions) I advise everyone to go back, and watch all three movies in order over a short period of time, short enough to grast it all, but long enough to let it all sink in, WITH OUT, and this is the crucial part... Without analyzing, questioning, and challenging everything you see... Watch it as an epic story unfolding before you... Do not look for hidden meanings and references. Just let it all sink in as it is. In doing this, I hope, like I have, you will find a deeper appreciation for this epic, and that disappointment will fade... Let's face it, with something as deep and loaded as the Matrix concept is... There will always be time to "dig deeper" as the phrase goes. Why not take some time to just let it all sink in, and appreciate it.

I strongly recommend it...

I have done this and it hasn't helped me.

Yeah, I found that the second time I watched Revolutions.

The first time I watched Revolutions I tried to understand all the lines and fit them into what I thought the matrix represented. This was annoying, especially when the lines are so dreadful on some occaisions.

The second time I watched Revolutions I just let it all sink it and enjoyed the visual beauty of the movie. The way it is portrayed is quite amazing. When I thought about what it meant after watching that way, I suddenly discovered that it all made a lot of sense.

Sometimes it's easier just to let it flow. Chill Winston!

So many people had a problem with Trinity's final scene... It was long, yes, but come on, after all the time that was put into developing her character, if she simply got shot, and died, or something to that effect and then Neo found out and just moved on, it would be very unrealistic... I thought the death scene was really well done and quite powerful...

I've only heard a few people say they didn't like trinity's death scene and they were hypocrits anyway cause they were LOTR fans.

Fatpie42 wrote:

I've only heard a few people say they didn't like trinity's death scene and they were hypocrits anyway cause they were LOTR fans.

I don't find it hypocritical at all.

I like LotRs. I can still believe the Trinity Death Scene (TDS) dragged on for too long. Most of the scenes in LotRs which went on for a period of time had purpose and added to the story or flowed to a point. The TDS just dragged on. We know she's dead, get it over with already.

Hypocritical... I don't think so.... but that's just my view.

Um trinity's death added to the story. If we take out of the many deaths in the LOTRs say, the King of Rohan's death? It was extremely self indulgent in portraying the death of a man we hardly ever got to know in the 5 hours he'd been in the movie. His character simply hadn't been developed.

Now look at trinity. You simply can't just throw a character like trinity in the trash. We have to say goodbye to someone who has been so close to us in the matrix trilogy. Her death was a real unexpected shock.
(Also you might notice that it is the only time we see Keanu mourning someone's death - I believe it represents the point where Jesus wept at the death of Lazarus - trinity represents Jesus' specific attachment to mankind)

LOTR's deaths rarely added much to the story. The only person who died in LOTR so we cared was Boromir (Sean Bean) - now THAT is how to do a death scene!

Fatpie42 wrote:

Um trinity's death added to the story. If we take out of the many deaths in the LOTRs say, the King of Rohan's death? It was extremely self indulgent in portraying the death of a man we hardly ever got to know in the 5 hours he'd been in the movie. His character simply hadn't been developed. Now look at trinity. You simply can't just throw a character like trinity in the trash. We have to say goodbye to someone who has been so close to us in the matrix trilogy. Her death was a real unexpected shock. (Also you might notice that it is the only time we see Keanu mourning someone's death - I believe it represents the point where Jesus wept at the death of Lazarus - trinity represents Jesus' specific attachment to mankind) LOTR's deaths rarely added much to the story. The only person who died in LOTR so we cared was Boromir (Sean Bean) - now THAT is how to do a death scene!

I did not say 'throw a character like trinity in the trash' - I merely said it was tooo long and drawn out.
Her death was, in my opinion, not a real unexpected shock.
It was, for me, extremely predictable and almost necessary given the situation the charcter was put in to at that point in the so-called plot.
Keanu mourning: Whoopy - I'm talking about her death not his mourning of it.
Oh joy, a Jesus reference. That's why we get this longwinded drawn out death scene. Oh yeah, hallejulah! - Good job Wbros... (sarcasm intended (sarcasm not directed at you)).

As for the King of Rohan: I believe Extended DVD will elaborate more on his charcter for us.

In any event: I believe Trinity's death scene was too drawn out and you do not. We can't agree on everything.

Great so the extended DVD will solve everything. Why'd he bother releasing these half-made movies? It's a pretty lame excuse.

If we ignore the extended DVDs there is absolutely no excuse for the length of the death scenes in Return Of The King. And that's assuming that the extended DVDs DO produce this 'miracle cure'.

Fatpie42 wrote:

Great so the extended DVD will solve everything. Why'd he bother releasing these half-made movies? It's a pretty lame excuse. If we ignore the extended DVDs there is absolutely no excuse for the length of the death scenes in Return Of The King. And that's assuming that the extended DVDs DO produce this 'miracle cure'.

I didn't say it will solve everything.

I still believe the death scene in LotR's was much better than M3. Just my view though.

But keep attacking it, makes no difference to me. I believe the M3 death was too drawn out, boring and predictable, you don't. Nothing either of us can do about it. Each to their own, we're all different. This still doesn't mean it's hypocritical which gets back to why I originally replied.

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I've only heard a few people say they didn't like trinity's death scene and they were hypocrits anyway cause they were LOTR fans.

I really don't understand this statement...
Fatpie what's wrong with you? This isn't like you at all!

Why hypocritical ? How hypocritical ? Let's have the reason behind this kind of thinking please...
I know of many people who hated the Trinity death scene - many of them come here...and not all of them are LOTR fans!
I for one thought that the Trinity death scene was ok, she was afterall a main character and deserved a 'good'(!) death, Neo & Trinity were deeply in love they had to have a final moment together to demonstrate this.

Comon Fatpie...reasons please!

If you criticise trinity's death scene for being too long, then you are ignoring endless dull and overlong deaths for far less deserving characters in ROTK. I hate ROTK and have said so on several occaisions - didn't you notice? (especially the half an hour ending, with the jumping on the bed in paticular - *throws up*)

Ok - So this is your opinion...You have yours and are entitled to it.

You hate the scenes in ROTK and they hate Trinitys death scene

They also have their own opinion and are entitled to that too.

Evens stevens - as far as I can see....

The opinion you describe is criticising trinity's relatively short and extremely plot-relevant death scene while praising the series of long, pretentious death scenes in ROTK which have are mostly of characters who we never get to know very well.

I'd call that hypocritical.

I'm sorry you feel that way..

But it is still their personal opinions - nothing more nothing less.

Before Lord of the Rings fans( yes I am one, but didn't like Rotk) critize how long Trinity's death scene was, you need to look at how long and pointless the ending of Rotk is. I mean they spend the last half hour showing us absolutely nothing! Not even when in the book they come back and the shire is in shambles or anything. I agree with fatpie, how could you shorten the death of the 2nd most important character in the trilogy? I mean if Frodo or Aragon died, you're saying you would'nt want a longer part for their death? I don't think so.

The reason they are upset with me is because, in addition to what you said, I am saying that the deaths of minor characters in ROTK are too long and pointless.

Considering the ending that laster forever with nothing really happening and disgusting sentimentality, it seems pretty likely that the death scenes for characters like Frodo, Argorn, Sam or ANY of the hobbits would last at LEAST as long as it did for trinity.

Good point there - hopefully people will listen to your less extreme view - Trinity is the second most important character in the trilogy and you can't just throw her in the trash. She requires a certain amount of time to be mourned. If she makes a special set of last words then it is much better than having to watch Keanu mope after she is dead when he has a movie to end.

It's not unrealistic either. People don't die instantly - if anything she should have been still groaning in semi-consciousness when Keanu left. Perhaps she should have been spitting blood a bit as she spoke, but that might detract from the moment don't you think?

trinity is without doubt one of the most important characters in the movie, and her death is one of the most momentuous events in the movie, despite how predictable it might have been. therefore her death scene HAS to be emotional and highly sentimental. but it was done so badly, imho. just saying 'i wanted to say i loved u last time i died, but i couldnt, so i'm happy i could die now gulp' is pretty stupid. even if they just held each other and wept it would have been far better.

Fatpie42 wrote:

The reason they are upset with me is because, in addition to what you said, I am saying that the deaths of minor characters in ROTK are too long and pointless.

oh come on. i agree theoden's death was boring. but the scene where everyone at Gondor bows to the four little hobbits was so powerful. it was the climax of the story, the whole point of the book lies in that particular scene. M(1,2,3) has nothing even comparable. i beleive the whole point of the movie(and the novels) was just to show that scene.

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Fatpie what's wrong with you? This isn't like you at all!

maybe its triggered by may BSing on the 'no oscar' thread...