»Cypher in the Restaurant?«

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it impossible for Cypher to have been in the restaurant to plot with Agent Smith? First, he would have required an Operator to run the upload; second, the ship would have to be at "broadcast depth" in order for Cypher to enter the Matrix (in the next scene, Morpheus gives the order to bring the ship up to broadcast depth, indicating that in the previous scene the ship was not at a suitable level).

Any ideas on how Cypher could have met with Smith?

a couple of answers:

CYPHER IN THE MATRIX: there is actually a thread on this in the Questions forum, and some plausible answers. go check it out.

BROADCAST DEPTH: it's also possible that the the time between scenes was sufficient for Cypher to move the ship from place to place without waking anyone.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it impossible for Cypher to have been in the restaurant to plot with Agent Smith?

Not in my eyes.

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First, he would have required an Operator to run the upload;

Again not in my view: IMHO he can do the upload himself. Read the links below for my theories.

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second, the ship would have to be at "broadcast depth" in order for Cypher to enter the Matrix (in the next scene, Morpheus gives the order to bring the ship up to broadcast depth, indicating that in the previous scene the ship was not at a suitable level).

Once more, in my opinion, he doesn't have to go to broadcast depth as he ain't hacking the Matrix, instead, he's been invited in for a meeting with Smith. Please read the links below for my theories.

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Any ideas on how Cypher could have met with Smith?

Absolutely...

Here are a couple of links which could aid in explaining this:

matrix-explained.com...

matrix-explained.com...

OK, what broadcast depth means is a location at which it is safe to hack into The Matrix. They can hack into The Matrix from anywhere, but it wouldn't be safe, because the sentinels might spot them and the ones plugged in get killed.

Now, Cypher didn't have to bring the ship to "broadcast depth" in order to jack in. It's safe because the machines know Cypher's in. And since Cypher is going to help them out, it wouldn't be very smart to kill him wouldn't it? The restaurant he and Smith are in might have been very close to an exit, and he could have set up a timer so that he would get a call from the "operator" at a given time. Let's remember he's a programmer.

I was reading a chat interview with the Wachowski brothers on

oscargabrielp wrote:

OK, what broadcast depth means is a location at which it is safe to hack into The Matrix. They can hack into The Matrix from anywhere, but it wouldn't be safe, because the sentinels might spot them and the ones plugged in get killed.

i'm a submariner. i was stationed on two different subs, and it was the same on both. if we wanted to transmit radio or recieve radio, we had to be high enough in the water so that there wasn't any interference.

it's the same with the hovercrafts...they float around in metal tunnels under rock, and the power plant is on the surface. so, in order for the signal to be clear and not distorted or blocked, as kilometers of rock and metal will do, the hovercrafts have to be high enough so that the signal can get out unimpeded.

You're probably right, but you can see that in The Final Flight of The Osiris, they make an emergency hack into The Matrix, and they surely aren't at broadcast depth. Look at this piece of script:

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Thaddeus: Zion, Zion has to be warned. Jue: How? Thaddeus: Someone has to get to a drop point. Operator: What? Are you crazy? We can't broadcast now! Thaddeus: We have to. Jue: I'll go. Thaddeus: There is not much time. Jue: I'll make it.

Wasn't that just after they'd been to the surface to see the machines diggin'?

Wouldn't that suggest they were at or pretty near "broadcast depth"?

I think the "we can't broadcast now" was more about the number of squiddies about to toast their ship

no as someone already clearly put it, broadcast depth is not a specific "depth" or anything. Its just where its pretty safe to not have to worry about sentinels. Broadcast depth refers to any location where the probability of a sentinel attack is very low

marl64 wrote:

I think the "we can't broadcast now" was more about the number of squiddies about to toast their ship

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oscargabrielp wrote:

OK, what broadcast depth means is a location at which it is safe to hack into The Matrix. They can hack into The Matrix from anywhere, but it wouldn't be safe, because the sentinels might spot them and the ones plugged in get killed.

also to note, this is ignoring the limitations of technology. i've yet to see any type of signal that can penetrate miles of rock, dirt, iron ore and pipes.

just saying...

Good point Grendelvs I too must say that occured to me as well. But like the quote goes...

"Old men like me don't bother making points, theres no point"

are you old cause i see old as 60 or older you cant be that old

well no, I'm 18. I just felt like saying the quote. Has no real connection to me.

ok i get it. Thats cool.

but for all intesive purposes... my back feels like its 70.

yah after i work out sometimes my back gets like that. knotts and junk.

So what are going to conclude from this?

i think this post is pretty much dead!

It's absolutely possible for Cypher to jack in all by himself.

yep just set everything up and make the exit phone constantly ring and in you go!

This was solved since the 5th post on this thread.

ok good to know!

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no as someone already clearly put it, broadcast depth is not a specific "depth" or anything. Its just where its pretty safe to not have to worry about sentinels. Broadcast depth refers to any location where the probability of a sentinel attack is very low

No offense or anything but if that is true then why, in Reloaded do they say "squiddies got all the best spots" if this statement is true then there are some spots that are better than others, right? this is probably because of one of two reasons first one that supports your idea... maybe there are just some spots that are less often occupied by sentinels...ok...the other reason might be because they get better broadcast signals at different places... you can choose to take it whichever way you like but i like to think that broadcasting is like someone (cant remember who posted it, so sorry to whoever did...) said. they said that the matrix was like a big wireless LAN and the Nebuchadnezzar is like a laptop with a wireless network card. Thus, broadcast depth is the furthest limit that a signal can be transmitted to the Matrix (the furthest distance you can take your laptop and still get internet access).

this jsut has nothing to do with anything in this topic so far.
just wondering... do they ever hafta just take a piss? if they have to piss in the real world, do they stop and take one in the matrix? i know the guys in the restaurant in MReloaded were peeing, but like, what about freed minds?