»Pi«

And after that, it just gets annoying. Generally ignorant people hang out in groups, because the smarter people get so sick of listening to their BS that they just LEAVE.

(By the way, since we are talking about Pi, has anyone read The Life of Pi? I've started it, and I want to hear some oppinions about it)

Splintey

[quote="(By the way, since we are talking about Pi, has anyone read The Life of Pi? I've started it, and I want to hear some oppinions about it)

Splintey[/quote]

no, what is it like so far? i'm trying to see what books i should get once i leave school, as i really want to explore myself before i conform to the contancy that every longs for (job, house, kids but not neccessarily in that order)!

Well, it's about a boy named Piscine (after a POOL, incidentally), and he practices several religions. His father owns a zoo. When his family and their animals and himself move to England (I think? England?) by boat, he gets stranded on a boat with a Tiger, and a bunch of heravores. The Tiger (obviously) eats all the other animals, and Pi has to figure out a way to get back to shore without being eaten next.

I've only read a little bit, but I've liked it so far. It was a bestseller or something.The author's style is very unique. Instead of every couple of chapters ENDING the point made, and beginning a new point, he just continues. It's quite refreshing, actually.

Other novels I would recommend: Ahab's Wife (famous guy's wife in Moby Dick's tale, and her life) , Shadow Mountain (about wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone), Middlesex (about a girl's family's genetic history, and why she is not "like" the other girls), Chocolate (BETTER THAN THE MOVIE, I SWEAR), Lord of the Rings series, and the Golden Compass Series (by Pullman).

Glad you're interested, friend! (^_^)

Splintey

humm..i dunno if someone already wrote this, if so i apologize!


the firsts didits of pi are: 3.1416, and i think that neo had exacly 3.14 minutes to save the world when he took his decision (trin or zion).

3+1=4, 3 beeing trinity and 1 neo equals 4. what 4 is reprenting, i simply don't know.

thoughts?

Pi is a never ending equation. I don't think it is represented in the Matrix at all.

-Genesis

Here is some contreversial Pi stuff:

When KeyMaker/Morpheus is talking about building in Reloaded:

Quote:

I do not believe in chance when I see 3 objectives, 3 captains, 3 ships.

And 1 Trinity (who happens to be Three)

Quote:

Ghost: How long will that take? Keymaker: Exactly 314 seconds.

pi x 100

Quote:

Soren: Time? Vector: 3 minutes. Binary: Almost there. Keymaker: It is time. Trinity: Find the others. Link: Got Niobe right there, they're already out of the station. Trinity: What about Soren? Link: There, they're still inside, but... Trinity: They're not moving.

As soon as the time hits THREE, TINITY goes in.

thanks for pointing that out splintey! and i have to find some more info on this number thing, i read something pretty interresting that a french author wrote, i soon as i get it, i'll post it!

Hate to break it to you guys, but I just checked the scene in question...on my computer with enhanced brightness...bane/Smith doesn't carve the symbol for Pi on his hand...he carves two parallel lines...no Pi symbol to be found...

yup James, thats what I was sayin last week, but they think they all know that its pi, so just let them think that

Like I stated many times before, we are ALL correct in this matter. Cal and myself agree that there is no pi carved into Bane/Smith's hand, but Splint has shown a very good point, so we are all correct.

-Genesis

That has to be one of the most rediculous things I've ever heard. If there's no Pi, there's no Pi...no matter how right you want to be.

Also, 314 isn't Pix1000...it's already been established that Pi is a repeating decimle...anyway...

farewell thread...

jamesWI, i stongly suggest that you visit this website, it contains the first 10 millons or maybe a bit more of the firsts digits of pi. study it as long as you want, pi does not repeat itself. if you think about it, maybe that's why scientists are making a big deal about this number, and why it's considered as one of the biggest mysteries ever!

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.jp...

Yes, JamesWI, I suggest it too before you go and make fatal accusations.

-Genesis

Yeah, I agree, it's lines. No PIs. But I'm glad that you like my little numerology. Can anyone else find anything like that?

has anyone else seen the movie pi? about some guy finding out that pi is the name of god...if i remember right....

Trinity isn't god. Neither is bane. Neither is Smith. Is it true that PI has less significance in nature than PHI?

Splinterinyourmind wrote:

Is it true that PI has less significance in nature than PHI?

Splintey (if I may call you that)-
read the post I JUST posted on the "other" pi thread:
matrix-explained.com...
It's not real thorough, but any description of phi is naturally long and difficult!

I also recommend reading the book, The Golden Ratio by Mario Livio; IF math does not bore you to death, that is. Livio makes it interesting enough, but my eyes always start to glaze over when numbers come into play, no matter how interesting they may be! But once I got through it, I definitely felt enlightened about phi. It's a good one! cheers!

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Splintey (if I may call you that)-

Of course you can call me that! That's my name. (^_~)
I will check it out. It sounds awsome.
I ask simply because I read the Divinchi Code, and was astounded to hear so many connections with PHI and nature. hmm...
Thanks for the URL.

Splintey

Someone asked back there the posible relationship between the devil and the pentagram.

Maybe, the main reason, it's because anything that was a simbol of wisdom simply threatened the authority of the institutions and it's power - Socrates and Jesus are good examples...

Since the rule over mankind it's easier to keep mantaining persons under the boundage of ignorance (and some do thank this to happen - blue pills ) we could say that anyone who is a "light bearer" is considered as the devil by the sistem...

Than, remember that - the devil - it's a composite character in Judeo/Christian tradition - mainly the log of the several cultures that interfered with the rule/path of the literalist church (or, we could say, empire)...

Anyway - basically:

The pentagram is one of the oldest icons related to both esoterism, sacred geometry and the bible.

The pentagram is the seal of Salomon (not be confounded with the seal of David - his father - which was the six pointed star - or the double tringle, simbol od both masculine and femenine with all the four elements within);

The pentagram is in the old testament - god gives Salomon the seal of the "small" universe - the microcosmos - he gives Salomon the rule over Mankind...

The pentagram is also linked with the pitagoric mistic school, the sacred geometry and the measures (including the golden rule, Phy, and the Fibonacci Sequence);

The pitagorics had as a simbol the Pentalfa - the alpha five times, or the five pointed star.

In it - the pentalfa - we may find the golden measure, the ratio of Phy - it is one of the keys to the measures of the world - and it was thought to be the "seal" of the architect of the universe.

It's also linked with the number 666 (the pitagorics studied and defined the mathematical ratios of sound - they discovered the whole of the musical tone (octive in english maybe?) was ratio 888 (Jesus name is a greek riddle to say - "888") while the perfect fifth of the tone was 666 - this is linked to the number of man (the pentagram - as we see it in the picture from Leonardo da Vinci, "the Vitruvian Man" shows how the human body is based upon the golden measure and it's link with the pentagram);

The pentagram is also the simbol of the Goddess - in her form as Venus, as well as the simbol of Lucifer (the light bearer, wich name was taken from the planet that had this name before the classical culture changed it to "Venus");

Venus's name, because it's the first "star" to appear and the last to desappear (and it's the most brilliant astral corps in the sky after the sun and the moon) was named the "morning star" (as his "crescent form") and the "evening star" (as it's decreasing form) - and we could say they become the "alter ego" one of the other and may even be assumed as two different entities that compose a whole - something as a "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde, so to speak;

The orbit of Venus traces a perfect pentagram in the celestial sphere in each 8 years.
The atrologers from the ancient time noticed this and linked it to the measures from the earth that were connected to the divine proportion (ex. Phy) - thus to the man and many elements from nature (from sun flowers to sea shells - nautilus);

The simbol os the pentagram (or pentacle, depending of if it is defined inside a circunference) it's linked to the wiccans as well as the western druidic cults.

We trully do not know much about these ancient cults - the wicca is an "echo" of the past preserved in some oral traditions by - mainly - female groups of priestess, that were severelly persecuted in the middle age and which knowledge seems to be a "residual" translation from the essence of the druidic cult;

The druids were smashed under the Roman rule (some authors say Julius Caesar invaded Gaule and then Britain only to learn their knowledge and then terminated them);

The fact is, we know allmost nothing from them, since they did not write their knowledge - they iniciated neofies in the tradition of "mistery schools" but had no temples more than the Oak forests and the previous megalitic stone structures adapted to their ceremonies.
We know from them, mainly, what Julius Caesar biographers tell us - and that's, obviously, adapted to theyr own end;

If you notice this, Julius Caesar invaded Egipt, was initiated in the ancient knowledge - changed the Roman calendar in order to follow the egiptian way of counting time (sirius based sistem) and smashed the druids cause they were "the head" of the celt's resistance...

Everything is connected...

Midnight of 2000 the star Sirius was on the edge of the piramid of Keops - the changes of the calendar during time lead to the amazing "coincidence" of the return of the "old ways" from egipt...

Look at the top of a catholic cathedral and you'll find an eye, and a triangle...

Things are as they were - we believe things change when they didn't change so much...

Uroboros bites it's tail my friend...

Cool info! Hey, I THINK I remember reading something about a pentagram in the Davinchi Code (book by Dan Brown, if you haven't read it, READ IT NOW!). Is the symbol possibly related to Paganism or the Sacred Feminine? (since Davinchi was involved with Paganism...)
(read post over again)
Yep, it sure does. So the next question is do you think that the W. Brothers put one in their movie, and if so, why? Trinity didn't have red hair...(Mary Magdeline had red hair, and she's VERY connected to the sacred feminine)
Was it an accident?

Splintey

sorry i'm a bit late in mentioning it Splintey, but i have read The Life of Pi.. sort of.. its kind of annoying actually.. i started reading it.. and at the time i started.. i didn't really have a lot of time to get into it.. but just as things started to get interesting.. i lost the book and i can't find it now! how frustrating is that? but from what i read of it.. i thought it was a really cool read.. and very thought provoking too

Yes, the beginning WAS a little slow, but it's SO good and so funny, and it makes me happy. I love Richard Parker and when he gets seasick. (BTW, if anyone hasn't read it, go do so now, it's a great book). And some of the culteral stuff that the author hints at is REALLY acurate, like at the end (tell me when you're finished and then I'll elaborate). I really hope you find your book, but until then, there's always a library! (^_^) What part have you gotten to?

Splintey

... the thread ends asking you which story did you want to believe in - the "fiction" of Pi or the "reality" the Japanese inspectors were trying to confirm...

Our friend Cypher would, certainly, choose the first.

How about you?

Splintey.. it's been a while since i lost the book so its hard to remember exactly where i got to.. if i find it i think i might have to start from the beginning again... but i definitely got past the part where the ship sinks and Pi is stranded on the lifeboat with Richard Parker and the others... i can't quite remember how far past that i got... i know the book must be around somewhere.. i kinda gave up looking for it a few months back but u just reminded me about it, so i'm now on a mission to find it again!

Good good! I really hope that you find it, it's a great book.
As for the Japanese inspectors. PLEASE don't relate that to the Matrix. Just DON'T. It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the Matrix. It's like relating rubber chickens to the Matrix, or string quartets, or ping pong, or water-slides. IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE MATRIX. Although Matrix made with rubber chickens as actors would be entertaining...*shakes head* Nevermind.
The Japanese inspectors was a brilliant peice of righting, because it represents something that happens all the time. Truth. And quite funny truth, at that.
Splintey