»Neo, the One and the code«

Just thought I post a little something...having to do with the meaning of a word. It's constantly being suggested that the anomaly code has been inserted into Sati (which I whole heartedly oppose, read my post on Sati's purpose)...so...here goes...

The Architect says that the one returns to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code inserting the prime program...

The word dissemination means "scattering"

So, the One returns so that his code may be scattered...

Thoughts?

If the code is scattered how can it be inserted into Sati? I don't think it was inserted into her...

JamesWI wrote:

Just thought I post a little something...having to do with the meaning of a word. It's constantly being suggested that the anomaly code has been inserted into Sati (which I whole heartedly oppose, read my post on Sati's purpose)

i also oppose this view and believe our mutual misunderstanding was the root of our "arguement" in your other thread

it is strange that a being such as the architect who would appear to use such perfect language otherwise would use such an arguably ambiguous word

disseminate:to spread widely from latin disseminare meaning to scatter

perhaps the infomation that the code has gathered in its time inside its human host is what is scattered...after all the architect states that the "prime programme" is reinserted

perhaps this prime programme is the original code without all the neo has gathered

i argued before that when the code neo has is used to update the agents etc at the end of each cycle of the matrix...perhaps this is where that scattered information goes

just a theory

Yeah, I'm not really sure what it might mean, it is just a very interesting use of launguage (English grammar is a hobby of mine, even though I'm a musician).

It's things like that, though, that indicate to me that words and their meannings are very important to the Brothers and how they've put the story together.

Another example..."you touched the source"...interestingly one of the defenitions of "touch" is to meet without going beyond. hmmm...interesting implications. The oracle also says Smith is Neos "negative, [his] opposite" while both of these words have a common semantic understanding to most people (i.e. they simply reenforce the same idea to us) negative and opposite have VERY different meanings, both of which apply to the relationship of Neo and Smith, perhaps shedding more light on it? I'll have to disect the dialog regarding their relationship more...

JamesWI wrote:

even though I'm a musician).

sorry to deviate from the topic but what sort of music do you play

im a massive music lover and am just curious

you should stik some of your stuff online and post a link

Well this time the code wasn't disseminated remember?
I think Neo just let his body/mind be used by the Source to get rid of Smith.

With the new deal the people will keep coming out of the Matrix. So the anomaly-code remains a fact within the equation.

The anomaly is sort of there to compensate for the unbalancing of the equation ("sum of the remainder"). So when this code is preserved by Sati (with the help of the Oracle and Seraph) the equation can still exist as a balanced whole.
So Sati is more or less a container/reservoir for the equation. She is a peace-keeper/balance-keeper.

Mobil,

Excellent work!

I've never really thought about Sati being the container/resevoir of the One code. That's makes so much sense now that you've brought it up. She has to have a purpose in order to avoid deletion, so there we are. Also, if the One code allows for rewriting the Matrix as one sees fit, that would explain Sati creating the sunrise for Neo. Again, very nice work!

But on the other hand...
Neo glows when he is carried away at the end of M3, which would mean he has become part of the Source again.

But isn't Neo's anomaly-code only assigned to him in the Mattrix? Isn't that his variable assigned to him by the equation?

When he is in Mobil Ave station he has no anomaly-powers at all. So it seems to me the anomaly-code remains in the Matrix when Neo is out (as a part of the equation).
That would explain that his anomaly-code still resides within the Matrix after he died.

The fact that Neo glows could be the fact that Smith has returned to the Source. After all it's Neo body, but it was polluted by Smith (just as like with Bane).

GPieters wrote:

Mobil, Excellent work!

Thank you GPieters! Are you Dutch?

It also complies with the Prophecy. If Sati is really the mother of the Matrix (as is implied in the other thread) then she is also responsible for the Prophecy-system. To the machines this sytem has now failed, so Sati was first up for deletion.
Because Neo saved the day, Sati got the opportunity to take responsibility for the failing of the Prophecy-system. She gets assigned the anomaly-code in order to maintain balance.

She's not up for deletion becuase the prophesy system failed, she WAS infect up for deletion (let's not forget) that's why she was being smuggled into the Matrix. Does ANYONE have the third movie and can check if the code at the end DOES wash over Sati? I really doubt that it does...if I were on my computer I'd have checked already. A purpose isn't assigned to a program after it's made, every program that is made must have a purpose...theyt have their purpose WHEN they're created. Read the Sati's Purpose thread I cover all the Sati bases.

There's a possability that there is no longer a need for the anomaly code. If you think about it, anyone who wants to leave can leave, so there's no escalating probability for failure...right? Humans will be able to leave without disturbing the Matrix if they choose to leave. I think it's the disturbance to the Matrix that creates the problem. Though I am still open to the possabilioty that the anomaly code is somewhere in the Matrix...just not with Sati.

I think the code was just the Matrix reloading itself...or maybe even it didn't reload, maybe it was just like the deja vous thing in the first movie...which is why they threw in the cat, as a clue that it wasn't a reload it was just fixing everything that was destroyed in the super brawl.

If the Matrix reloaded, would the people inside have the conciousness they did prior to the reload? If their conciousness is changed wouldn't that eliminate the need to relase anyone for a while? I'm purely speculating.

True the code wasn't disseminated when Neo was in the TV room...but if we believe, as it has been suggested, that there are two ways to get to the source, through the Matrix and through 01...then Neo was infact IN the source (or perhaps at the source) during the suber brawl and they delayted dissemination of the code until he had defeated Smith. In that case the anomaly code would have been disseminated and inserted back into the Matrix to eventually be carried by nother human...

Remember, it was nearly a hundreed years between the prophesy and the return of the One...so the anomaly code wouldn't need to manifest itself right away...it could very well hang out in the Matrix before the probability for failure reaches the point that the equasion needs to be balanced again. Which is probably why the Oracle says we'll see Neo again some time...

So there's no need for the anomaly code to be carried by Sati...it will eventually be given to another human, IF the need actually exists...we don't know. but it's suggested that it will be one day.

So, it's just plain not needed for Sati to be the balancer of the equasion.

And as discussed in the Sati's Purpose thread, her changing the sky has ntohing to do with the prophesied abilities of the One...I really suggest reading that thread.

I agree that Neo let his mind/body be used to delete Smith.

Also, we're told that Sati will be important, but not WHY. I don't see any suggestion that it's because she's the carrier of the anomaly code. the fact that the oracle says we'll see Neo again seems to indicate that she's infact NOT the carrier of the code.

I am a classically trainned pianist. I have a repertoire that expands every era from pre-Baroque to contemporary. While I play standard repertoire I tend to focus on obscure works and composers.

the scene i think is being refered to about the "washing over sati"

is when she is lying on the ground after the smith that assimilated her was destroyed

the broken ground around her starts to flip over and mend itself as the black cat that walks up to her disapears

thats the only thing i can think of that it is refering to

as for the equation being balanced

i too perused this thought

i think it is simply as the oracle said to neo in revolutions

"the result of the equation trying to balance itself out"

i think it may be the case that the code either evolved in order to solve itself or that the oracle manipulated neo in order to achieve the goal of the balanced equation

this is why the architect says to her..."youve played a very dangerous game"

to which she replies..."change always is"

perhaps she was becoming *bored* (for lack of a better word)with the cyclical nature of her own purpose...sick of the death/rebirth of both man and machine

who knows such things...only the wachowski brothers

A few things occured to me while in the shower...

The equasion cannot be balananced it is an integral error that "despite my scincerist efforts" he couldn't get rid of. IF the Architect COULD balance the equasion by placing the code in a program he would have, but he can't. Why can't he put the code in a program? Every tried messing with the code structure of a program? Can't do it. If you put something in the pgoram that doesn't belong there the program stops functioning or develops some very fatal errors. So, had the anomaly code been put into Sati, it would have seriously made her not function. This is why the code has to be carried by a human, becuase you wouldn't cause fatal errors in a human.

That is the scene everyone is refering to where the code "washes over Sati" but it doesn't...it simply doesn't, it goes under and behind her and whatever...yeah...I can see it very clearly in my head, it doesn't touch her...so the anomaly code wasn't inserted into her.

Yeah, the code needs a human, it can't be carried by a program...the Architect would have thought of that.

Neo, or the One carrying the anomaly code will be back, as the Oracle says...maybe in another hundred years like this time...

it's inherent to the programming of the Matrix.

Sati was initially created to investigate the human psyche (with a twist of love by Rama and Kamala).
She stumbled onto the solution, being the choice-system. The Prophecy is a system of control that is needed because of the choice-system. So Sati is also responsible for the Prophecy.
The Prophecy failed because Neo chose something totally different. So in the eyes of the machines the choice-system failed alltogether. That's why she is up for deletion.

I think Neo only carries the anomaly-code when he is INSIDE the Matrix. So if he wants to deliver his code to the Source, he has to do it through the 'software-way': enter the Source through the ultimate backdoor (the door of light). He already had this chance, but he refused.
His code is inserted temporarely into the Source. This implies it is only a part of him: his equation-variable.

Neo is connected to (the centre point of) the Source.
So when Smith copies himself into Neo, the Source absorbs him. Neo has been taken over as a human at that point. It's the same situation as with Bane. His brain has been polluted with neural structures from the conversion of the program Smith.
The Source destroys/absorbs Neo's (brain)cells in order to get Smith. Smith has then returned to the Source. Because he shares one conscienceness with his clones (they are in fact one program), they all die.
Neo has died too...he has left the Matrix forever, leaving his anomaly-code inside it.
Sati has to take care of it now.

The Oracle referring to Neo coming back: "I suspect so...some day". She suspects, she does not know.
I think she is referring to his soul reincarnating into a new human being.
And even if the anomaly would return, it sure as hell would not be Neo; it would be a different human.

The Architect didn't give the anomaly-code to a program, because the anomaly-code FIRST has to be created by a further unbalancing of the equation.
Also, the Architect never wanted to create a balance in which the humans had the free choice of going to Zion. Only after this deal was made, he had to come up with another solution to balance the equation.
After the brawl with Smith it is still the sixth equation up and running, with the anomaly-code still being unsolved.
Sati was created out of love, so it's quite safe to assign the anomaly-code to her. Plus she is being protected by the Oracle and Seraph who are together very powerfull. So it's quite safe for Archie to assign the code to her. He has no other way!

The program Smith got altered too. He became part of the equation thanks to the actions of Neo.
It's not really an alteration of a program. It's making her part of the equation. She becomes a variable/factor within the equation as a program.

Offcourse this could all be bullshit.
Maybe the anomaly-code was just solved entirely because Neo and Smith joined together and they got killed.
I am just expanding on your theory about Sati being the mother.
It's fun, is it not?

That's one hell of a good theory/explanation Neo, well done!

Thank you m'am

Hmmm I didn't even notice it was my 300th post.
That's kinda fun...a new theory at your exact 300

I'm glad my Sati=mother is finally getting through to people *wink*

it's interesting, but I'm not sure I entirely buy it, not becuase I have anything to disprove it with that I haven't already spouted out in earlier threads...I don't currently have any information that would contradict...I mean I have already said some things that I think make parts of your theory not possible, but that is from my perspective...we have different intuitions, my intuation based on my current understanding of the Matrix tells me something's not adding up. Though you are quite possibly right.

It is a rather clever expansion on my Sati theory.

I want to discuss some of the technical factors of the Matrix interface...I'm starting a new thread. See you all there...

Neo wrote -

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a new theory at your exact 300

This could start a new thread all of its own

The significance of a new theory at post 300...

After reading all of the posts, i got to thinking!

because Neo never went back to the source to Scatter the anomly code, but latter sacrificed himself inside the matrix, this means the anomly code stayed inside the matrix, which someone as already pointed out.

Plus someone else said about Sati purpose may have to balance out the code because of what Neo did.

This a theory that came to me while reading this tread. What if after Neo sacrificed himself and the code scattered through the Matrix and not returned to the source, the code was then placed inside Sati (Code washing over her scene) to keep the matrix from collapsing and to balance thing out?

My theroy may be Bullshit, but it is just a theroy

Indeed...

The anomaly-code is never solvable. They just can start a new equation by inserting it.
Because the anomaly-code has to be linked to a choice (that's where the whole system is build upon), they just can't let a program take it to the Source.

Neo had his choice, but he refused to let a new equation get unleashed.
My theory is (and most people don't like it) that Smith was used by the system to put the One under extra pressure. This time things got out of hand and Smith stayed in the Matrix.
Neo made a deal that pleases both worlds: the humans are free to go out if they want <--> Smith is terminated from the Matrix. After that, Neo died and the anomaly-code had lost his carrier.

About the Smith-thing the Oracle says that it is the equation trying to balance itself out. This does not naturally have to mean that the anomaly-factor has been solved. It was just positive affecting negative and vice versa. One of them had to win...Smith did at first...he balanced the equation out into 100% negative. But then Neo and the Source saved the day.

As I said above, a program cannot bring the anomaly-code to the Source because it is based upon human choice. But a program can become the carrier/preserver of the code. I think this is Sati's purpose now!

Who were the other Ones? Where they computer programs who represned a human figure, inorder to carry the Anomly code. Because from what i can gather the One has to have a connection to the human race, (ie feelings, etc).

So if it was so and the previous 5 Ones were computer afamations posing as humans, which had the code inside them. Then could it be possible for Sati to be the next One as well.

The reason why a said that Is the fact that Sati changed the sky at the end of M3. Because she may be the next One? Or because the code was inserted in her for the purpose of balancing out the Matrix?

And JamesWI before you say anything about Sati being the Mother of the Matrix, this is what i believe and may beliefs do not require anyone else to believe in them!

I hate to do this... But I disagree with all of you on this one. Infact, you're all assuming something and you know what you say about the word assume. Neo hasn't been given any special code... The part of the "anomaly code" that was written into the program was that there must be a balance. Neo is not a program, he is human... Therefore the matrix is a program, he is the user, actually, a user. Much like you or I use a calculator. Haven't you ever gotten a response of "err" on you calculator when you tried to do something that wasn't computable by your specific machine. Neo is the one, because he has been "tagged" the one. He was "tagged" this when he refused death, the programs ultimate form of control. The "anomaly code" doesn't exist in the matrix, it wasn't prewritten. Only Smith's corruption and the Matrix's "mirror code" which it has written over to Smith as a vain attempt to balance it out. Think about it; Neo was shot, killed, gets up, destroys Smith. The system doesn't understand this action, this choice. So what does it do? Only what it can do... The exact opposite. "I knew the rules, I knew what I was supposed to do... But I was compelled to disobey." So Smith refuses death, and now must destroy Neo. Smith's destruction wasn't because Neo was directly connected with the Source. It was because he completed his new purpose. He destroyed Neo(or absorbed), thus ridding the system of the anomaly.

Both were simply "tagged" as opposites, Smith was actually "re-written" or corrupted in this process. Neo remained the same though, he was the problem all along.

Now I know what you're saying... If Neo just stayed out of the Matrix, then this would have been all avoided? Nope. Smith's (-) was already in action, he couldn't stop until he completed his "purpose", til the equation was balanced. That's why he entered Bane, not because he wanted to kill humans, it was because he wanted to find Neo in the realworld, destroy him there. Of course if he had done that, the rest of "him" wouldn't have known and the system would have crashed indefinately.

Why did this need to happen at the source, at 01. The machines were gonna purge Smith one way or another. Once everything began they needed Neo's (+) to cancel out Smith's (-), this happens every cycle(not always with Neo and Smith of course), at the source Neo's "tag" can be dissemenated(big word for spread) through the whole program cancelling out all of Smith's "tag".

To further add, Smith seems to be able to absorb memories, "cookies need love too" when he rewrites someone, so it is possible that the part of Neo that overwrote him was the ability of choice during their first collision. Thus making the "one" actually two, whose to say every cycle is the same. The anomaly could have been brought out, or targeted, many different ways each time.

"your life is the remainder of an unbalanced equation INHERENT to the programming of the matrix"

please explain with regards to your theory

TheChosenOne:

I like your theory very much.

From the transcript:

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"Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision"

The minds that do NOT accept the program are the eventuality of an anomaly.
They were variables in an equation. They went to Zion, so the variables got removed from the euqation, which disturbed it: it was unbalanced.
The remainder are the rebels. Thanks to their non-acceptence of the program, they can bend certain rules. The sum of this remainder is one person who has the qualities of bending ALL the rules by utilizing his believes, his will and his sixth sense.
He is the sum because the remainder (=the rebels) helped/drived him to believe!

Smith could then indeed be a reaction of the system to this 'strange' occurance. And his purpose is either to destroy the anomaly or drive him into the Source.

the anomaly wrote:

"your life is the remainder of an unbalanced equation INHERENT to the programming of the matrix" please explain with regards to your theory

simple, let's imagine the programming looks like this 1+2=3... Ok?
Well the system is providing the 1 and Neo provides the 2... However the equation is not nearly as simplistic as that and cannot be solved. When Neo refuses death, an obvious part of the equation for human life inside the Matrix. The system is unbalanced, it cannot compensate for this action. Atleast, that's how I understand it...

Architect wrote:

You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

They knew this was going to happen eventually, so yes they prepared the "path of the one" but I doubt the Architect would have created this "code" to make it more possible if his sincerest efforts were to eliminate it.

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99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice,

Notice he says TEST subjects meaning that if could have been 100 or 1000
99.9 percent would insinuate that it was closer to 1000. Meaning that the people of Zion are not necessarily the anomaly. They are just excerising the choice given. Still accepting the program, but Neo is that .01%(Interesting how machine city is also called 01, coincidence?)