»Sati's purpose«

I guess bald then

Sorry my english is far from perfect.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

whahaha I must be your negative then Show me what you got Mr. Anderson. BTW nice haircut. How did you manipulate your residual self-image like that? I am getting bold, so I would like to know

hahaha..."manipulate my residual self image"...thats gold

it was initially a freaky distorted baby picture from a funny pictures website

a guy from another forum who is a graphic designer "manipulated" it with the neo stylings

i tried myself but it looked rubbish

Yes, it is very funny ...

Going back to the topic...

Weither the code washes over Sati or not.
Isn't it too much of a coinsidence that they show only her on screen when the Matrix refreshes?
You see the cat together with her on the same screen. De-ja happens when they change something. Could this change include Sati?

I got this quote from another thread:

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When Smith called the oracle mother. Was he saying that because of what the architect called her? Or because he knew just as she did that when she created the persona of Neo through manipulation, He would in turn create the persona of smith.

Credits go to DesmondE

Seems also like a good explaination for Smith calling the Oracle mom!

That's actually an interesting thought. The whole persona of Neo resulting in Smith thing...I definatly don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the Oracle being the mother of the Matrix as clearly expressed in my research.

If The Architect is the father of the Matrix, and the Oracle is the Mother of the Matrix, is the Oracle speaking figuratively when she calls Smith a "bastard" after he calls her "mom"?

Also, in M1, Smith does say the matrix is a "work of art", even though he despises it. Maybe he's being brainwashed by the Architect all the time.

This post is in reply to JamesWI's post about Smith calling the Oracle Mom and Sati being the Mother of the Matrix.

First up, I don't believe Sati is the Mother of the Matrix, but that's not the point of this post.

Now, just because the Oracle is 'like' a mother, doesn't make her The Mother of the Matrix.

We know the Architect is the Father of the Matrix, but we don't see him going around doing Fatherly things with his programs and plugins do we?

The Oracle is very motherly to all programs and plugins, everyone knows the Oracle. She gives advise to all. So this could be why Smith called her 'Mom' and not 'Mother'.

So if this is the case, then that leaves room for someone to be the Mother of the Matrix (to the Matrix and not it's inhabitants).

Does that help give you an angle JamesWI?

LOL.

Personally I never liked the idea of the Oracle being the Mother of the Matrix and everyone knows how much I detest Revolutions. This is just another reason I dislike it.

I believe the Oracle is embracing the whole anomaly thing in hope for better days, a solution to the dead end cycle/road that everybody is on. She can see and know a lot of things and her heart is for change. The Matrix is going through change and is on very dangerous ground because of her risky-ness (unbalancing) That’s why Smith says ‘you would know Mom’ cos she’s basically allowing thing to go this way. Kind'a like blaming someone for the inevitable.

I believe Sati represents the Hope of a new day

ill post it here as well seeing as nobody replied to it in the symbolism section

when neo awakens to see sati in mobil ave...as she comes into focus she clearly has a bright glowing halo surrounding her head that is very remicinent of the stained glass images of christ...

just an observation to fit into the discussion of her purpose

by the way marcdaniel...who are you having a go at with your signature...i found it amusing being in such small font size yet bright red

Sorry if anything I post has already been stated.
The thing that bugged me most, you said there is no evidence to support the Oracle(Which is NOT her actual name) as an intuitive program etc. Everything she does shows this, the way she knows waht is going to happen, that's her understanding human psyke (and the code) and predicting it, similiar to the architect. Who is this we? How did you get confused? Neo and the Architect are the we.

the anomaly wrote:

<snip> by the way marcdaniel...who are you having a go at with your signature...i found it amusing being in such small font size yet bright red

To tell you the truth I can't honestly remember who it was. I was always being told to re-watch the matrix again so I put that in as the sig. Sigs only recently started working for me so I dunno.

Maybe I'll change it soon

Love your work, James. I was talking about your theories with a friend tonight and noted your consternation regarding Dear Ex-Agent Smith's calling the Oracle "Mom." I suggested, and I hope that I didn't read it in this or another thread and forgot that it had, in fact, already been stated (I have a habit of failing to discern what thoughts are mine and which come from others)...

At any rate and potential embarassment, one can say that Smith uses this word in a ridiculing way. Much like you interpreted the Architect's "Please" as dismissal of "Oracle" as an appropriate term for the grandmotherly figure we all know, Smith may be doing the same, or, rather, the opposite.

That is, he may be calling her "Mom" to poke fun at her taking on this form, her avatar. Even after her previous shell was deleted, leaving her invisible or otherwise bodiless, she chose a similar one; she is, still, a motherly, sweet, old black woman: a great stereotype for the loving, firm grandmother figure. It does seem silly for someone known almost singularly as Oracle to take this shape. Why not an actual Oracle, a small, back-alley tarot card reader? Someone a person would expect an "Oracle" to be? Smith is an agent, and he looks the part. The Oracle, as she herself states in M1, is "not quite what you were expecting..."

He may also be calling her Mom for her role in raising the several Zions and Zionists and Ones. Someone, I'm sure, has noted her role in manipulating circumstances to produce incarnations of the One that will return to the Source.

We've been led to identify this literal-looking mother or grandmother with the Mother of the Matrix, but I think it would be a delicious irony to find that this was just another example of the Matrix pulling the wool over our eyes, blinding us from the truth of the matter. We see the manifold levels of the system's control over the characters--the Machines are always running the game, generally manipulating all humans as mere pawns to achieve their ends. Wouldn't it be delightful to find that this control is working its mojo on the audience, too? Leading us to accept the more obvious conclusion (that the Oracle, looking the part, is the Great Mom), when the real one is the least obvious (that Sati, a little girl, has dominion over weather and was the very intuitive, psychologically-astute program who brought the 2nd Matrix and all subsequent ones into a more successful existence?

Ah, well, perhaps more reasons will come to me (either through my own mind or my forgetful reading of other people's very often remarkable posts).

~D.

I find the "Sati as 'Mother of the Matrix'" theory very interesting. I think it's definitely plausable, but I'm not totally sure. Surprisingly, JamesWI initially had Smith's "Mom" comment as a troublesome spot in his theory, but eventually suggested a reason behind it which I do believe is highly likely:

The Oracle created Smith.

I've wrestled with an overall aspect of The Oracle for quite some time and that is we know she had some direct influence in the "change" to the cycle. She purposely caused things to happen which brought about the Peace. How do we know this? Because of her exchange with the Architect at the end of Revolutions:
"You've played a dangerous game."
"Change always is."

If we trace back the "cause" of the Peace, it's quite simply the Smith Virus which allowed the Peace to occur. Without the Smith Virus, there wouldn't have been a reason for Deus Ex Machina to strike a deal with Neo. Ergo, The Oracle had a direct hand in the creation of the Smith Virus.

Now the question is: how did she do this? There are a few possibilities, but one that seems very likely is that she created Smith. She created Smith and placed him in the system as an Agent. He was an Agent doing regular "Agent" work for a while (and that's all he knew), but he didn't know his destiny was to be overwritten by Neo which would somehow trigger the start of the Virus (which he, himself, admits not understanding how it happened).

How did Neo jumping into Smith start the Virus? It could be as simple as the Oracle having the Virus pre-programmed awaiting a certain "trigger" (i.e., Neo's defeat of Smith at the end of M1). Some even theorize that the Oracle (having forseen the upcoming battle between Neo and Smith), placed special code in the cookies she baked for Neo.

Regardless, I feel fairly strongly that The Oracle created at least the Smith Virus and most likely created Smith himself (which completely explains his "Mom" comment). Her self-stated purpose is to "unbalance" the equation. The One is the remainder of an equation trying to balance itself. Some aspect of The One combined with The Oracle's intentional creation (Smith) to drive that creation to be exactly what she says: The One's Opposite.

I suppose it's even possible that all of the Agents are her doing. There's not really much evidence for it. But Neo suspects that The Oracle is just another Machine program designed to be another method of control. Creating Agents to drive-out The One at each version of the Matrix would fit in well with her design. However, in previous Matrix versions, she didn't create a virus. She simply fulfilled her role in guiding/causing the One to be found and eventually have him/her end-up in The Architect's chamber.

As Smith says: "It's happening exactly as before."
but this time, there's a Virus: "Well, not exactly."

So, back to topic...

That's why I believe Smith calls The Oracle "Mom". That doesn't necessarily mean that Sati is the Mother of the Matrix, but it definitely doesn't work against that theory.

On that specific topic, my concern is with the whole Balancing vs Unbalancing aspect. It seems to go too well with the Father vs Mother correlation. The Oracle states that the Architect is trying to balance the equation and her job is to unbalance it. Still, that's probably my strongest argument for The Oracle being the Mother. I think JamesWI's theories have a lot of possibility. I need to do some more thinking on that one.

JamesWI wrote:

Even if Sati's name didn't imply her purpose as the Mother of the matrix, the fact that WHOEVER the mother of the Matrix IS would be facing deletion is almost as pertinant without the name. The mother was a program designed to study human behavior, with the impending destruction of the entire human race the mother would have been facing deletion. The ONLY program facing deletion in Revolutions is Sati...

Damn straight.

However, I don't think Sati is the mother of the matrix....yet. She will be. She's the Oracle's new understudy. The Oracle is the mother of the matrix now, and she has taken Sati under her wing implying that in the future she will be the next Oracle, or mother of the matrix, and not the next One.

The Oracle is the mother of the matrix because even though it was technically designed by the Architect, the idea for how it should be designed came from the information the Oracle recovered during her study of the human psyche. That's why Smith refers to her as "Mom". She laid the blueprints for his creation and the Architect set them into motion.