»Deus ex machina«

I couldn't find a thread about the "Machine God" (Even though I remember one ... )

In Matrix 1, morpheus sais

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.... a single consiousnes that spawned a race of machines ...

Could it be possible, that he ( m god ) was one of the A.I. that was created during the 2nd Ren. ? (how about the "Squiddy" in the U.N. Building that exploded?

Some think that the `God' you are reffering to is Deus Ex Machina.

Hmm, I don't understand what you mean ...

Do you agree that the machine God (Deus ex machina) is the "conciousness" in animatrix?

Im not certain....but some people think so.

After thinking it over (and watching animatrix) I have come up with evidence (not really evidence, more like "info") that agrees with both possible conclusions ...

1.) Deus IS the consiousness. Possibly, the same "conciousness" spawned the machines ....

2.) Deus IS NOT the conciousness.

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the machines developed new, better A.I.

If the machines had a better a.I. would they have a god with "weaker" A.I. (ofcourse, if the conciousness was a program on a computer, and that consiousness programmed all robots e.t.c then this statment isn't valid)

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the 3rd installment was as BAD as the other 2 were good.

so i agree!

It's true! we Agree on everything




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Raksasha69 posts with a symbol of JC's face, but does not like best the film that is about how the only thing holding our collective consciousnesses together is love?
What is bad about that?
The Second movie is a dense, strange trip, but it is not really great without the Conclusion.

Are you guys just disappointed in the lack of direct explanation to obvious questions?
Or was the end too cheesy/hollywoody/wizard-of-ozzy/excaliburry for your tastes?

At the end of the day, the Matrix is essentially about escapism.
And love is the only lasting, true escape.

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I think they just don't understand it.
Just like alot of people hated Reloaded because of the Architect's speech.

The Source is a huge AI-conscienceness.
You can compare it to Skynet from the Terminator-movies. It's like an operating system as is Windows, but then much more intelligent and self-aware.

The Source has his origin within Deus Ex Machina who is the metal shell around it (the mainframe, which means a huge computer).

Please stop this bullshit MatrixArchitect...You are f*cking up this thread.

Since I like you (your Ideas) I will listen and remove a few quotes ...

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Raksasha69 posts with a symbol of JC's face, but does not like best the film that is about how the only thing holding our collective consciousnesses together is love? What is bad about that?

its not about "love"
its about the illusion of "choice"

what i dont like about the 3rd film is the fact that the good guys lost and the bad guys won.

a compromise with evil IS evil (so says GOD)

It was the worst ending possible ...

I was expecting "Made in china" at the end ...

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I think they just don't understand it.

you would think that but then youd be wrong.

to make such a blanket statment like "people who dont like M3 are morons!"

which is basically what people are saying when they say such a "cookie cutter response"

thats what EVERYONE says to the defence of the 3rd film.
and even to the 1st film.
and even the 2nd film.

as a matter of fact i understood EVERYTHING in the 3 movies, have read TONS of books about the movies, have studied the w-brothers, have the ORIGIONAL scripts (not the remakes) and even have read the comic books, and have the xbox game. and have the animatrix, and have the "matrix revisited"

and even have read SEVERAL books on the matrix and its philosophy.

so YES im WELL READ on this subject, not cause i hated the whole trilogy, or hated the 3rd movie, it is because i KNOW the trilogy and love the first 2.

Both humans and machines get the best deal at hand.

They cannot free the people out of the Matrix anyway. There isn't enough food and other stuff to keep them alive in the Real World.
And what is wrong with the Matrix? If you believe it is real, you could have some fun in live.
Beats eating that goo from Zion

People that want out, are free to go and Zion will remain intact.

Sounds to me it is a great deal, considering the circumstances.

I dont want to repeat myself as i have convinced people that they were wrong ALREADY.

i have not really convinced them that they are wrong, more like i showed them the light.

and if you dont believe me then goto these links.

But I am dissapointed

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Both humans and machines get the best deal at hand.

no they dont cause EVERYONE says it was a "compromise"

did the humans get TOTAL freedom?
NO.
did the machines still get mankind in chains?
YES.
machines got what they wanted, but made a "temporary" compromise that will evenutally lead back to another "NEO"

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They cannot free the people out of the Matrix anyway. There isn't enough food and other stuff to keep them alive in the Real World.

yes they could, there is air, and with the machines help they COULD make the sky "blue" *if technology can take the sky away, im SURE that HIGHER technology could 'Bring it back' you HAVE to consider that its "possible" especially since theres a "blue sky" just beyond the layer.

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And what is wrong with the Matrix? If you believe it is real, you could have some fun in live

Matrix is a PRISON, and besides, WHATS WRONG with living with the machines in the REAL world. squiddies and the cool ships DONT exist in the matrix. its like 1999 there in the matrix and in the REAL world it has BETTER technology and the chance on making the REAL world BETTER than that of the "matrix"
GOD FORBID something like a "happy" ending come to pass.

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Beats eating that goo from Zion

last time i checked there was BASKITS of food (breads and stuff) presented for neo after they got outside of the elevator.

the goo is ONLY in the ships and not there in the ZION, where it is "still warm"
(IM sure they have greenhouses and stuff like that)

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People that want out, are free to go and Zion will remain intact.

80/20 rule, meaning that 80% of the people will want to be free, which means only 20% of the machines left to get energy.
theres NO WAY that the machines will let that happen, which will result in another NEO and another war.

and even if that DOESNT HAPPEN? then the only thing that the humans have to go on is "the word of a lier"
-what do you think i am human?-
*dont you just love it when someone answers a question WITH a question?*
-shouldnt he answer the question- straight out?-
NO, cause hes lieing cause he LIED before about the doors.
and the humans ONLY have his word to go from. THATS it.
and where supposed to trust a program that lies?
i dont think so.

I am not even going to read it.

It's a perfect and brilliant story by the WB-brothers. I am going to respect that.

The programs never lie.
Only the Oracle sometimes out of goodwill.

The humans f*cked it up in the Second Renaissance.
So what's the problem?

The Matrix is a prison yes, but most people never feel like it is.

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I am not even going to read it

Satan worshipers say the same thing about "the bible"
(I know some)

but i guess EVERYONE has their "opinion"

but i dont like going on "blind faith"

but thats just me.

The rules of God are in your soul and hart if you go deep enough.

So you don't even need the bible to be a religious person.

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The programs never lie. Only the Oracle sometimes out of goodwill. The humans f*cked it up in the Second Renaissance. So what's the problem? The Matrix is a prison yes, but most people never feel like it is

i dont want to repeat myself as i have address EVERY possible comeback that you or anyone will come back with.

i have shot them ALL down.

and if you dont want to goto those posts and try to "diswade" or "disprove" them then i cant help you.

truth is that programs DO lie.
if you lie out of "goodwill" is it still a lie?
to say NO is ignorant.

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The humans f*cked it up in the Second Renaissance. So what's the problem?

i already explained the problem.
genocide is only worse then slavery when you imprison the people involved and then KEEP their ancestors who had NOTHING to do with it.

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The Matrix is a prison yes, but most people never feel like it is

the same thing is said (by some) people in REAL prisons.

or let me give you THIS example, if your FORCED to live a life in disneyland and you were NEVER allowed to leave would you still want to?
YES.

or this: if you were watching a movie *like the 3rd matrix movie* would you like being FORCED to watch it FOREVER? consistantly being replayed over and over and over?
NO.

cause theres a point when you want to "return to reality" (psychologically proven)

and NOW everyone is going to know its "fake"
and even if they DONT then how do they have a CHOICE?
THEY DONT.
if you dont KNOW of the alternative you dont have a choice.
(by definition)

and if you dont have choice, what do you have?
(gee... uh... the opposite of choice?)
you have FORCE.
and FORCE is wrong.
even if your FORCED to eat ice cream. (not everyone likes ice cream)