»Zion might not be real.«

Hamman Sais (Matrix ReLoaded)

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... We are in a way plugged into them ...

If he didn't mean the obvious, what could he mean?



This might prove that there is a MwM ( or that I am crazy )

People matrix born, look in the matrix, as Zionites look in zion (no plugs). If the mind has to understand a reality in a reality, and has trouble, how can it understand a reality within a reality within a reality. So people born closer to the real reality have a greater chance of becomeing aware of that reality. Hamman is Zionite. Could he have become aware of Zion - in a matrix?

He is simply making an obvious reference to the ironic existence of the zionites and how they must rely on machines to exist. "Plugged into them" simply refers to the fact that Zion requires the engineering machinery to survive.

MwM is NOT REAL

By plugged into them, Hamman means that the Zionites still rely and depend on machines. Now THAT was obvious. Sorry for restating Azar.

I knew what he meant.

One of the points of the movies is Irony.

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<<Morpheus>> ... What is REAL, how do you define REAL? If real is what you can see, here taste or smell, then REAL is just electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

Then the fool says :

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<<Morpheus>> ... I wouldn't belive it untill I saw it with my own eyes ...

the w-brothers have been quoted in saying that its NOT a Matrix within a matrix.

so im gonna beleive them.

besides a matrix within a matrix is "just too predictable"

and i know that its "control" that they want but i dont think it goes that far.

-it might-
but then the w-brothers would be lying.


but heres some MORE evidence to support your theory.
"there has to be a backup"-

there was a backup for the "matrix" there might as well be ANOTHER backup matrix that exists on TOP of the "origional one" in case neo decided to "NOT COMPLY"

-to have a backup in case Neo chose "neither" door. and punched the archetect in the face and "made his own exit"

which would make sence to "control" that choice.

but on the other hand they probably have SO much control over humanity that they dont NEED a "backup"

but if you want to speculate, i suggest you go with what the "creators" say rather than a "belief"

So you belive everything the bros. say? Or do you belive them because it supprots your theory ....

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So you belive everything the bros. say? Or do you belive them because it supprots your theory ....

i believe them cause i dont think they would have any reason to lie.

not to meantion its "predictable" (meaning everyone thought that)

MatrixArchitect wrote:

So you belive everything the bros. say? Or do you belive them because it supprots your theory ....

i would believe them because they WROTE the fucking thing.

What if they told you That Neo was female ?

And just because they wrote it, doesn't mean they can't lie, or misdirect their fans to surprise them!

How does one no what is real?

The Matrix is a world within a world (that beening the real world). so how do the people living in zion know that zion is the real world?

Both worlds have control over them the machines in the real world, and the control inside the Matrix.

So What is real?

So you agree that the Zion + Matrix that is shown to us in the movies are part of another Matrix?

MatrixArchitect are talking about my theory?

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And just because they wrote it, doesn't mean they can't lie, or misdirect their fans to surprise them!

the #1 reason why people lie is out of "fear" (pyschologically proven)

and to "Suprise" their audiance is not out of "fear"

although it could be i dont think its "plausable" or even "likely"

misdirection, or ( false-foreshadowing) is used in movies sometimes to "misdirect" but i would say 99% of the time it is to "show" what the future is going to be, or whats going to happen, or (foreshadowing)

and most people do it in their films, rather than speaking to the public "verbally"

cause people who didnt "watch the interviews" (which would be a huge number of people)
wouldnt get "fooled" or "misleaded" the BEST way to mislead someone in order to shock them is by using "false foreshadowing" and anything that the w-brothers would say that would "contradict" their film would be a lie. and would serve "little" or even "no" purpose at all.

-their lieing for some ulterior motive is just doesnt seem plausable.-

What interviews? Why didn't anyone tell me about them? The only one I know about is the one were they stated the goo in pods are dead people used for sustanance on the unfreed minds. Give me more info on these interviews, I've been waiting so long for an interview with the Wachowski Brothers!

theyve been all over the place.

some are on the movie "matrix revisited"

and some are in sci fi magazine, fangora, and others.

(i dont own them, i picked them up in a bookstore and read them)

Sorry I havn't been posting ( Ihad to format my computer)

There is no quote from the Wachowskis stating that MWAM is not real. That is just the wishful thinking of some bullying posters.

I was fixing to ask where those quotes were! IF they said no MwM then I'd be inclined to believe them of course....but I DOUBT they'd say that even if was true. It seems they WANT much interpretation & speculation to be the joy of the day....& for each & all to come away with their own little gift, so to speak.

I think that's also WHY (one reason) they insisted on NOT GIVING INTERVIEWS, or making movie appearances, etc. They didn't want to spoil or give 'answers.' In fact they/the movie may NOT even have a definitive answer or conclusion & is thus OPEN ENDED on purpose, giving the potential validity of many, or several differing viewpoints!

That makes the most sense to me.
What about you?

Also someone said 'they said the red pill was a locator' & gave that as why was a real world. I disagree. It's a locator, but doesn't mean it's the real world! (thus 'real-zion-world' just a different coded construct.)(the red pill would just be the code that works w/that OTHER construct...& is the why the Nebber's are already in that construct...go & get him. And the general communication port between the two different constructs are the JACK IN THE HEADS, lol.)
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Back to the 'W's said'''''''''':

You MUST point to WHERE such legitimate source is.
(Otherwise is mere hearsay)

Raksasha69 wrote:

-to have a backup in case Neo chose "neither" door. and punched the archetect in the face and "made his own exit"

haha... i can't stop laughing thinking about that. i would be funny to think if the bros went for a comedy for the third installment... much like evil dead, evil dead 2, and army of darkness.

The Chosen One wrote -

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i can't stop laughing thinking about that. i would be funny to think if the bros went for a comedy for the third installment...

If I had the equipment I would love to make a Matrix comedy...I'd make lots of money and emigrate...

and i would help!

everyone saw the mtv parody with will farrell as the architect? now that was classic...

WET WILLEY!