»How does someone get in the matrix (theory)«

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We hear Morpheus (and others) talk about "broadcasting in the matrix" and Broadcast

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<<Morpheus>> ... this is where we broadcast our pirate signal and hack into the matrix ...(Matrix 1)

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<<Morpheus>> ... patch the main A.C. to the Hard Drives and get ready to broadcast ... (Matrix Reloaded)

Unless I am totally stupid (which is possible) the term "to broadcast" means to send an Electromagnetic signal which will "Most possibly" be recived.

This means that in the "machine world" there is a terminal that can be networked to (connected to) -by the hovercraft - and data can be transfered. [/url]

Ok, theory time! The hovercrafts DO broadcast. If the machines did NOT want the hovercrafts to be able to connect to the matrix (and thus let people in the matrix) they could just disable the broadcast reciving system.
Thus, the only people that could be freed from the matrix, are the ones that can self eject (which I don't think are so many)

For the machines to allow broadcast, the Do want people to be freed

Morpheus talks about a pirate-signal. Maybe they found a way to step into the normal broadcast-connection that the pod-people have with the Matrix. After all, they use hacking techniques.

And yes...It could very well be that the machines let the people hack in and out of the Matrix. This way they can control the non-accepters and concentrate them into Zion.
If they would be kept within the Matrix they might cause some system glitches and then they might threaten the whole system just like what happened with version 1 and version 2 of the Matrix.

I agree. But if the AGENTS could free the humans that don't accept the matrix (or kill them) wouldn't it be better for the system?

The architect said that if the 1% that didn't accept the Matrix wern't "contolled" then it could threten the system itself.

In "World Records" (animatrix) the athlete Self-Ejected (I just thought about that, very interesting ) Then, something very similar with the thing they did to neo in M3 happend, and the athlete became insane.

If thay could kill all those who ejected from the M, wouldn't they? And it is almost certain that they could (the machine that disconnects Neo from the pod came faster than the Neb) This means that the machines have some kind of backup security (maybe a MwM). That would explain the un-protected broadcast recivers .... e.t.c.

Matrix Architect- I have the answer to your question. First of all, im not that certain if I understand the technical terms you are using. However, even if the concept which you are presenting to me is correct (im not saying its not), there is an explanation for it.

Of course the machines want the rebels to hack into the Matrix. If the rebels did not hack into the Matrix, they would never find the One. If they would never find the One, the One would never reach the Source. If the One never reaches the Source, then the Matrix crashes killing all humans and destroying machines' power source. Causality.

The machines need humans and humans need the machines. The One is integral to this relationship. The system crash cannot be prevented by simply killing the One. The One's anomaly code must be incorporated as part of the system (joining with Source) to make the system stabler. Zion serves as a tool for the machines to find the One and as a quarantine area for the rebels. This is true even if Matrix within Matrix theory is false. Additionally, the machines need Zion (as I just said) and Zion needs machines (water pumps, oxygen machines, Councillor Hamman's speech)

MatrixArchitect wrote:

Ok, theory time! The hovercrafts DO broadcast. If the machines did NOT want the hovercrafts to be able to connect to the matrix (and thus let people in the matrix) they could just disable the broadcast reciving system. Thus, the only people that could be freed from the matrix, are the ones that can self eject (which I don't think are so many)

Excellent question. As often in Matrix, the answer is just under our nose but we don't see it

Each human being is connected to the Matrix through a radio-wave connection, the plug that we see is just leading to an adaptor (so that our human brain could interact with the machine's language).

If you accept that, then broadcasting becomes obvious : with so many people, it is hard to tell if the signal comes from a connected human or from a rebel. All they have to do is to emulate a signal coming from a connected human.

This is confirmed by the fact that Neo can destroy sentinels (he's emitting a signal) and can "see" Smith/Bane (Bane is emitting too). It explains why Neo passed out when the Sentinels were destroyed : Neo was linked to the source through them (Oracle:"that's what you felt when you touched the sentinels") and by destroying them, he just brutally cut the line. We all know that they die if we unplug them suddenly (Oracle: you should be dead, but you were not ready).

And finally, when Neo sees the fields, notice that he can only see emetting machines, he does not see the babies but sees the little "pod" above them.

Honestly, Neo decrypting the code carrierd by magnetic waves (probably that machines don't use sounds to communicate, that's why sentinels are silent) is the best explanation for everything in the movie. And all you need for that is a piece of metal acting like an antenna... like a plug for example
Plus the adapted software in the One's brain.

radio wave? RADIO WAVE? Sophisticated machines in the future would use RADIO WAVES to broadcast into a digital world? Just cause you heard the words `broadcast' and `signal' doesn't mean its radio waves.

Sorry, english is not my mother tongue. When I said radio waves, i was thinking about electromagnetic waves. In french, we can use "radio" waves for any electro-magnetic signal.

Relieved now ?

An in case you disagree with that too, then what would they be emetting ? Don't talk about quantic links please, it is proven that no information can be sent with the ERP paradox.

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(I will be quick)

If the BRAIN can connect to the Matrix wirlessly by any means, and there must be a disconnect command before the Hardware disconnetion, that means that the human disconnecting must first be software-diconnected from the Matrix-Server, and then by the plug. We know that Agents can tell who is who (exiles-rebels-normal) They could "inform" the server to not give the disconnect command so the brain of the human plugged in will be damaged, or he /she will have to stay in ....

(I know I am )

Very good explanation Apocryphe!

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For the machines to allow broadcast, the Do want people to be freed

i would say, SORT OF.

they want the thing to CONTINUE, or have a "revolution" and the ONLY way to continue the struggle of zion is to allow them to broadcast.

its all part of the illusion of choice.

Is it posible that that the machines can't detect the anomaly ? Dah


Machines find anomaly --> machines take anomaly to architect --> both doors are made to go to the same place BUT the architect is told that one will this and one will taht ..

Anomaly chooses who to remain in the matrix ....

ANOMALY is killed, and matrix cycles ...

I don't think that the machines can trick the One into reloading the system, the One has to agree to do it, otherwise free choice is irrelevent. Perhaps if the One was to resist the process (he could probably mess with it, or even choose to kill himself). The mahines have to make the One want to reload (the One is given the choice of reloading or killing mankind, and he feels a general form of love for his species apparently).

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Is it posible that that the machines can't detect the anomaly ? Dah

"if remained "UNCHECKED" would escillate a probability for disaster"

they HAD to know where and who the 1 was otherwise they wouldnt know where to put the "code" that was in his body.

they would EASILY know where the 1 was cause the people in the matrix are plugged in to the fields and the fields are plugged into the source.

and the fields are plugged into their BRAINS.
(how much more control do you need)

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otherwise free choice is irrelevent

exactly, and its Unfortunate that the W-brothers beleive that.

Its not true in REALITY but in their movie it is.

People people....they cant solve the problem by killing the anomaly. Jeez....get over it.

Apoc- No I have no problems now. I agree that they would use some sort of electromagnetic wave but not sure which kind. They may have new ones in the future (heheh).

Even though I don't have any proof against Akshat, I just disagree ....


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People people....they cant solve the problem by killing the anomaly. Jeez....get over it.

i agree. they need Neo to defeat smith and continue the process.

the machines could have easily killed neo or "their next target" (from m1) and they KNEW what the other (1's) looked like so what do you think they will do if they SEE another guy with the "same face?"

they COULD kill "the one" (like in that scene where he is captured in the first film)

but they know they need him. so they dont.

Do you think that machines take the risk of allowing people out, to find the one, people that might overthrow the matrix?

It doesn't sound like the thinking of a machine to me ...

Unless they had a backup plan or security, like a MAtrix within Matrix ...

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Do you think that machines take the risk of allowing people out, to find the one, people that might overthrow the matrix?

the best indicator of future events is PAST events.

there are decisions that HAVE to be made and progressions that take place (even in the mind of a machine)
"we have gotten exceedingly efficent at it"

meaning there have been progresses made.

now while there COULD have been a "matrix within a matrix" before the matrix that we witnessed in the film.

it WOULD requrie ALOT of energy, or electricity. and any NEEDLESS things will be "ommited"
not to meantion the effort in upkeep it would require.

while i dont think that the machines want to "risk" anything.
i dont think that they believe that they are.

i think they have mankind by its cahones.
(according to the film)

while there could have been a matrix within a matrix (in the past) i dont think even THAT is "likely" cause it requires alot of work and energy.

besides they have them in those "tubes" and what could MAN do? (at the begginning before Neo)

not much.

By Matrix within Matrix, I belive that there is a real World and a matrix in the real world and a Zion In the real world.

I will explain (using quotes to define matrix - real world and zion

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The REAL WORLD (not running on a system (software) Quote: matrix (this is the matrix that happens right after the war in animatrix Quote: Real world (fake) (Zero1) (Zion) pods that are not real a mind trapped in a matrix in a matrix. Even when freed into the real world, the real world + the matrix that exists in that world is a simulation in another matrix

I know it is to understand, but please try to ...[/quote]

i understand the theory, and its pretty sound.
although i dont think its "likley"
because of the power it would take. and the Needlessness of it.

not to meantion i think the machines know that they are going to win anyways.

I have to agree with you

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

Very good explanation Apocryphe!

Thanks Mobil

MatrixArchitect wrote:

They could "inform" the server to not give the disconnect command so the brain of the human plugged in will be damaged, or he /she will have to stay in ....

True... but maybe that the fact that they are illegaly connected prevent the program from cutting the "disconnect command". It looks like machines have problems for finding on wich "frequency" the rebels are hacking, probably because of the numerous signals coming from all these humans.

But it is a very intereseting point that u mentioned here, because I don't see what would prevent rebels from emulating the disconnect command and thus, would not need a phone to get out.
I think that there is something to understand with the example of Neo being tricked into the Mobile Avenue without being actually connected.
Any idea anyone ?