»Why are the agents trying to kill the keymaker?«

Splinterinyourmind wrote:

But she still had original choice, you can't deny that....

I didn't deny that.

Infact I myself said in my last post: "The only choice she had was to eat the cake or not."

But who would deny a delicious chocolate cake? Yum!

Well, maybe some on a diet or people who can't eat those type of products would.

Or maybe she wouldn't be hungry, or wiser yet, NOT TRUST THE MERVIE, but then again, she didn't look to bright (and why then would she be in his restaurant). Then again, she might have been a slave program, and the cake might have been an illusion (even down to the code). Persephone could have sighed yes for the bathroom, but also because of her boastful, bragging husband showing the same girl and the same cake again and again and again. I don't know, just a thought.

As some users here said, the keymaker has fullfilled the purpose by just doing the key and that is the why the agents wants to kill him. The question is: What about the instructions of how to use the key? Isnt it also the keymaker purpose?If not, how Neo would figure it out? Is there another way to find the Architect?
Thanx

Yes that's true.
He allready had contact with Neo. Only they didn't have the time to elaborate on the key, because the Merovingian was bothering them.

So the agents, ignorant as they are, think the Keymaker has allready furfilled his purpose and has gone rogue with the rebels. After all he could provide all the rebels quick escape-routes with his keys; so he is no longer wanted.

The key is like a key. You put it into a lock, turn, and, if it fits, it will open the door.
Neo knows which door to go to because he's seen it in his dreams (the door made of light, for proof, look at the Oracle-talk).

Yeah but he doesn't know the stuff about the security and the way to evade it.

The Keymaker explicitly says that it is his purpose to know these things.

What security? I didn't see any security issues, and as far as I can tell, the key solves all the security issues FOR him.

I think the security issues that Mobil is referring to, are the rules for the opening of the door - and how long the window of opportunity for him to enter exactly is.

As for deleting programs:

Anybody here running Unix?

I know that I can quickly see all running programs, kill and delete any that I want -- as long as I have root privileges. SOMETHING in the Machine World (probably the Architect) has to have that kind of ability. I can't imagine it working any other way.

Not everything that happens in the Matrix has to happen literally (e.g., a "bullet program" has to kill a program), otherwise brick masons would have had to come and brick up all the windows and doors in the first Matrix. Things can be directly manipulated in the Matrix based on something's will, although I don't know who.

314 seconds. Something interesting about that is that it's PI x 10, and the first PI was 3, which is Trinity. Which is forshadowing. As soon as it hits 3 minutes, the other crew dies, and Trinity goes in to save Neo. Funny how many little plot twists go. And then there's the three ships, three captains, three objectives, and ONE trinity (3) and ONE Neo (1). Weird.

Okay, I found the I had the same question about the Keymaker and finally found the right board thread.

Even if the Keymaker has completed his mission of giving the key to Neo or the rebels, it is assumed that Neo will go ahead and use the key to reload the Matrix and reset Zion and the cycle will continue. Thus, the Keymaker will be needed for future iterations of the Matrix. So why exactly is he an exile? And why are Agents trying to hunt him down?

In M1, Agent Smith demonstrates that Agents are well aware the other versions of the Matrix -- and thus are probably aware of the role of the One and the Keymaker who must help the One.

The Merovingian might have his own reasons for wanting the Keymaker dead or alive, but it makes no sense for Agents of the system to pursue the Keymaker.

Marcdaniel wrote:

Emilee wrote: I love how you say hello! Well, it makes a difference to me because with that footage and pictures of Jackson being everywhere, it proves that the program didn't die. I think that only the body it inhabited died. The W. Bros are smart enough to not have the same actor play a different agent, the fans will notice for heavens sakes! IDK, it depends if you think they agents are the same actor or not. Fill me in on your thoughts MarcD. Hi Emilee. Thanks. Yes - I think the same actor plays the same agent. I just think due to the lights/shadows/angle/sharpeness of some scenes, I believe some people are mistaking Thompson for Jackson. Just my 2c and I could be wrong myself.

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Even if the Keymaker has completed his mission of giving the key to Neo or the rebels, it is assumed that Neo will go ahead and use the key to reload the Matrix and reset Zion and the cycle will continue. Thus, the Keymaker will be needed for future iterations of the Matrix. So why exactly is he an exile? And why are Agents trying to hunt him down? In M1, Agent Smith demonstrates that Agents are well aware the other versions of the Matrix -- and thus are probably aware of the role of the One and the Keymaker who must help the One. The Merovingian might have his own reasons for wanting the Keymaker dead or alive, but it makes no sense for Agents of the system to pursue the Keymaker.

This doesn't make sense, you are right. When your theory doesn't fit the data, perhaps you should entertain a new theory... or you can pretend the agents don't know anything despite being a part of the system... cause let's face it... you can't trust a machine with the secrets of the machines...

Moving on to Dragon...

Personally I don't think there is a giant conspiracy in the machine world, they all know the matrix and it's history and they know the major players involved. They are machines... they aren't humans... their is no need for a power elite. (which might also explain why those who seek power... Merv and Smith.... are no longer part of the system, operating beyond their parameters) They are after all, all born of one central intellegence (which some people might argue Duece ex represents... and the baby thing is supposed to resembel the innocense of a child... which is what they are in relation to humans.) In other words, they aren't evil by design, they are evil because evil has been shown to them. But this is getting off topic a bit.

Back to the agents... they have those ear pieces and are a part of the system... they coordinate attacks with sentinals... they get orders from someone... gee I wonder who that might be. (cough *architect* cough). Trust me, the agents are not working under orders of the Oracle. Smith says as much when he says finally we meet at last, upon meeting the Oracle, which suggests that they had never met before. And his seemingly natural dislike of the Oracle also tends to go along with this, it's not hard to see that the agents are much closer in nature to the architect.

Other things to note... Neo is already the One when reloaded begins, should he fail to protect the keymaker would not suddenly make him not the One. The agents refer to him as the anomaly, the oracle says "you are the one", it is recognized by everyone he encounters, you can also include Seraph and the merv in their. I don't discount that the agents act as a natural barrier that only the One is capable of getting past, but that being true still doesn't click with the effert to kill the keymaker if you do believe he is neccessary for the very survival of the matrix. Why would the agents, the gaurdians of the matrix, threaten it's very existance? Out of ignorance? That's a hard pill to swallow for me, these are machines, their is no need for ignorance amoung those who are a part of the system. Even if they were ignorant, you might think that the architect upon seeing his agents hunting down the keymaker might say... hey guys, don't kill him I need to meet Neo if the result of not meeting him is the collapse of the matrix.

Neo is not certain that the Oracle is from the machine world, but he is not unaware, as his inclinations were right... which would kind of be the opposite of unaware.

The agents say "She means nothing" because if the keymaker is deleted, she does mean nothing. The game is over, they win... no need to bother with Trinity. Later they try very hard to kill her after they keymaker is already dead, and an agent at that point concentrating on killing Trinity does not at all appear out of place to me... after all... in the room with archy and Neo, archy is trying to convince Neo that Trinity is going to die, and thus it is pointless to go back to the matrix, and thus he should save humanity instead. The Oracle wants Neo to use this door back to the matrix, but the architect most certainly does not.

Also, someone had to fail, it is the nature of two sides fighting each other that one or both sides may fail in reaching their objectives. Both sides can not win at the same time, it is illogical.

hexediter wrote:

Also, someone had to fail, it is the nature of two sides fighting each other that one or both sides may fail in reaching their objectives. Both sides can not win at the same time, it is illogical.

I was reffering to the path of the One when I said that. If Morpheus and Niobe failed to protect the keymaker than the One would have a hard time saving the world. If Trinity did not enter the Matrix than Morpheus and Neo would both be doomed. "If one fails, all fail." Do you remember this quote?

I think the main question (why did the agents try to kill the keymaker) is the same as "why did the agents try to kill the One?". My answer would be because the Matrix uses multiple levels of security and control. You got the agents with their objectives (find/kill/stop rebels in the Matrix), then the architect with his objectives (bring balance to the Matrix dealing with the One) then the machine world leader with his objectives (survive).
Each lower-level of control is unaware of the higher-level of control. It's strictly on need-to-know basis only (need-to-know basis only: for example the keymaker only knew how to let Neo through the door. Nothing about what would happen inside the door).

So why was the agents objectives to stop rebels in the matrix and nothing more (like guaranteeing the path of the One)?
Probably to hide the presence of the higher levels of control (agents can't spoil what they don't know) and to make the prophecy look as real as possible (as in the rebels thoughts: "the agents don't want us to do this,...so it must be what we must do" ).

It does looks risky (as in the agents could ruin the higher level plans), but i think this concept is based on trust that the rebels are at one point (with the help of the One) strong enough win and beat the agents (if the rebels weren't strong enough than they wouldn't pose much of a threat to the system and the real-life world. So you could say the rebels being able to protect the keymaker from the agents is kind of a test to see if the higher-level plans are needed).