»Why are the agents trying to kill the keymaker?«

Why exactly do the agents want the "exile" (keymaker) deleted? The machines need Neo (the one) to reboot the matrix. In order for Neo to do this, he needs the Keymaker. So if the machines have control of the agents program and they know they need the keymaker to get Neo to the source, why do the agents want to kill the keymaker?

Hi rooster.

The Agents are simple programs which have a job to do and they do it.

Just like birds have their job to do: Fly, squark, eat, breed.

Agents iron out system bugs, go after those who have re-entered the Matrix after being unplugged and also hunt down and destroy programs which have outlived their purpose/usefulness: Exiles.

So whatever the Architects plans are, the programs which have their pre-set parameters inbuilt are going to continue to do what they have been programed to do.

That's just my view on it.

Ok, but how can the keymaker be an exile if he did not serve his purpose yet until later? Wouldn't Agent Smith be an exile after Neo destroyed him in Matrix1 then? If so, then I would think the 3 Agent programs would be going after Smith. Even if they would, it wouldn't be a challenge for Smith and he could just copy them, but there was no Agents of the system vs. Smith in the movies that I am aware of. Maybe there was?

rooster wrote:

Ok, but how can the keymaker be an exile if he did not serve his purpose yet until later?

The keymaker has served his purpose. Now he's locked away by the Merovingian serving I guess the Merovingian's purpose but for the 'system' his purpose if over with, thus, he's an Exile to the Agents.

rooster wrote:

Wouldn't Agent Smith be an exile after Neo destroyed him in Matrix1 then?

I believe so. Since he's no longer serving his purpose and he's still aroung doing things he's not supposed to be doing, I guess they'd class him as an Exile too.

rooster wrote:

If so, then I would think the 3 Agent programs would be going after Smith.

With the amount of Smiths out there that wouldn't be too difficult to choose a target, and who's to say they weren't or didn't have other Agent's doing this? Agent Brown could have been assigned to go after Smith - Smith could have Cloned himself over Brown... (just like you've said)

rooster wrote:

Even if they would, it wouldn't be a challenge for Smith and he could just copy them, but there was no Agents of the system vs. Smith in the movies that I am aware of. Maybe there was?

Maybe there was but I don't believe they really focused on it beside the scene of 'You?' "Me me me".

But I agree, the movies didn't focus on that issue too much at all, as well as many other issues.

okies, in Enter the Matrix, the keymaker has escaped. He rescues Niobi and Ghost from the Agent which is chasing them from the sewers. He gives Niobi a key to give to the one.

This is the keymaker's 'purpose' fullfilled. The keymaker believed the time had come to give the key and fullfill the profercy. He should have then gone to be deleted. But the merovingians goons appear and steal the key and then escape into the chateux.

This is why the keymaker is a exile. This is also why the keymaker gets himself locked up again so that Neo can rescuse him; because if he left the chateux he would be deleted, but he figured Neo would protect him. It was a trick from the merovingian ('You dont think we left that door unlocked on purpose do you?'). By letting him escape, and fooling him into fullfilling his purpose (the keymaker probably thought it was his one chance to deliver the key), the merovingian had trapped the keymaker.

The agents just delete programs, regardless of the higher powers and control systems.

The chateux is safe from agents because it is so far away no humans would walk past and see exiles inside it.

I agree with MantaRay.
He is called the KeyMAKER. He already made them all, so his purpose is furfilled. The agents indeed just do what their program-parameter says: kill all exiles if you might spot them.

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With the amount of Smiths out there that wouldn't be too difficult to choose a target, and who's to say they weren't or didn't have other Agent's doing this? Agent Brown could have been assigned to go after Smith - Smith could have Cloned himself over Brown...

The agent he clones at the burly brawl (I think it's Thompson, or was it Jackson?) appears at the freeway chase again. So he didn't take over the agent. He just took over the woman who returned from the grocery-store.

Brown and Jones are deleted now, because they ran away and disobeyed their orders in M1.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I agree with MantaRay. He is called the KeyMAKER. He already made them all, so his purpose is furfilled. The agents indeed just do what their program-parameter says: kill all exiles if you might spot them. Quote: With the amount of Smiths out there that wouldn't be too difficult to choose a target, and who's to say they weren't or didn't have other Agent's doing this? Agent Brown could have been assigned to go after Smith - Smith could have Cloned himself over Brown... The agent he clones at the burly brawl (I think it's Thompson, or was it Jackson?) appears at the freeway chase again. So he didn't take over the agent. He just took over the woman who returned from the grocery-store. Brown and Jones are deleted now, because they ran away and disobeyed their orders in M1.

Interesting, I didn't pick up that it was Thompson again, I could have swore it was another agent: I thought it was Jackson that was cloned by Smith and Thompson who jumped on the car (or the other way around: something like that) - I will re-watch it again.

Thanks for pointing that out.

As for Brown and Jones, good point but it wasn't specificately pointing out Brown, just using that as a name. It could have been Agent Gold for the example I was illustating.

Speaking about missing characters, what happened to Tank? He didn't die in the first movie. Has that been explained somewhere beside the statement in M2 about losing Tank and Doser to the Neb?

But again, thanks for pointing out that Brown and Jones are deleted now. I don't remember it being said that they were but it's probably very likely.

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Ok, rewatched it and as usual, I thought I was right:

Agent Jackson: You.
Smith: Yes me. Me, me, me!
Agent Jackson/Smith: Me too!

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Cop: They're approaching [...]
Agent Thompson: We have them now.
Agent Johnson: The exile is the primary target.

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Agent Johnson: She means nothing.
Agent Thompson: Find the exile.
Agent Johnson: We have them.

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We can see from the transcript above that the Agent who leaped on to the car is a different Agent to the one Smith cloned in the brawl. I rest my case on this one (for the moment)
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What I want to know is: Since the matrix is such an advanced and efficient "peice of art" ( for lack of better words), why wouldn't it automatically delete those programs which had already served their purpose? I mesan, on any dinky old desktop you just have to right click, scroll down a few, left click, push yes, and into the trash it goes. Any thoughts?

Elizabeth wrote:

What I want to know is: Since the matrix is such an advanced and efficient "peice of art" ( for lack of better words), why wouldn't it automatically delete those programs which had already served their purpose? I mesan, on any dinky old desktop you just have to right click, scroll down a few, left click, push yes, and into the trash it goes. Any thoughts?

Hi Elizabeth.

That is an extremely good point. But what if the programs themselves having also the same 'advanced and efficient' internal self-security systems to stop such deletions occuring?

-Md

I soppose they could, then they woldn't want themselves to be deleted, so they just worked it out like that. Good pint. Also, i was thinking that maybe they wouldn't do that becasue they didn't want somethin to go wrong, and then the next morning we wake up and all the cows in the world are gone... or something like that. Do you see what I mean?

Elizabeth wrote:

I soppose they could, then they woldn't want themselves to be deleted, so they just worked it out like that. Good pint. Also, i was thinking that maybe they wouldn't do that becasue they didn't want somethin to go wrong, and then the next morning we wake up and all the cows in the world are gone... or something like that. Do you see what I mean?

Yeah I see what you mean. It'd be it's own security system to stop things changing drastically as well as each program having their own internal security to stop the mainframe from pulling the plug on it which leads us to Agent of the system hunting them down.

This is good: Real Time post chat. Have to stay up late to get this usually. Oh well, it's all good. Thanks for the mental stimulation

you are most welcome. I'm not usueally up this early, and if I am, I lay in bed for some time in denial that God would have me get up so damn early! BAH! But instead, I got up, went to my computer, and began my day... So, hopefully, when all of these other people arise from the dead (sleep) they will agree with our genuis theory!

You should come on AIM!

Elizabeth wrote:

you are most welcome. I'm not usueally up this early, and if I am, I lay in bed for some time in denial that God would have me get up so damn early! BAH! But instead, I got up, went to my computer, and began my day... So, hopefully, when all of these other people arise from the dead (sleep) they will agree with our genuis theory!

LOL

We'll see. They're all getting up to start the day and I'm off to bed to end it. Argh! - Maybe if I get on when I get home from work some of you guys will be up late ending your days

Boy you guys are too fast for me. Manta Ray is correct. Also to point out, agents are pawns of the system. They have no idea what is going on. They dont know about the reloading, the One, different levels of Zion. They only do and know what they are told. That is why, in M1, Smith and the other agents wanted the access codes to the Zion mainframe. Smith believed that if he can get into Zion and destroy Zion, there is no need for him to be there. He was duped. No one told him that it is necessary for Zion to be there for the matrix to be stable.

yes, MantaRay is correct...he's always correct

Marcdaniel wrote:

Ok, rewatched it and as usual, I thought I was right: Agent Jackson: You. Smith: Yes me. Me, me, me! Agent Jackson/Smith: Me too! ----- Cop: They're approaching [...] Agent Thompson: We have them now. Agent Johnson: The exile is the primary target. ----- Agent Johnson: She means nothing. Agent Thompson: Find the exile. Agent Johnson: We have them. ----- We can see from the transcript above that the Agent who leaped on to the car is a different Agent to the one Smith cloned in the brawl. I rest my case on this one (for the moment)

Is this from a script? Or did you personally watch it? I have watched the scene about 50 times
Johnson is jumping on the truck after the other agent grabs his earpiece and says: "we have them".
So the two agents you see driving are Thompson and Jackson. I always mix them up. I will take a closer look when I have the time.

He's right, it's in the movie, you don't even have to watch it to know that.

Elizabeth wrote:

He's right, it's in the movie, you don't even have to watch it to know that.

Am I right or Marcdaniel?

Marcdaniel. I've seen it with my own eyes!

Marcdaniel yo! I have seen and heard the glory. lol

No sorry you are all wrong.

I inserted the DVD just to be sure.

Johnson is the guy who first jumps on the car and rips off the roof. Then Trinity hits the brakes and he gets thrown off. Jackson remains in the car and shoots at Trinity later on. Jackson is also the one getting copied by Smith at the burly brawl. So he's back!

After that the agents take over two other cops.
Thomson says: we have them!
Jackson sits beside him.
Johnson is ready to jump on the truck.

Check it out!

Left: Thomson
Centre: Johnson
Right: Jackson

I knew it. I knew it! Someone else tried to tell me before that they were the same agent....I thought it wasn't

Wait....what?

No

They still call him the exile though.