»Merovingian -> Descendant of Jesus -> Former One«

I'm surprised not to find the following idea presented in favor of the Merovingian being a former "One":

His name. In many of the fringe/pseudo history books of Masonry (of which THe Davinci code is a recent popular example), the Merovingian bloodline in the south of France was supposed to be the offspring of Jesus and Mary (which "truth" of course, "The Church" suppressed).

given that they named everyone on purposed, it woudl seem that 'The Merovingian" if not a former one, is somehow descended from a one.

dillfest95 wrote:

I'm surprised not to find the following idea presented in favor of the Merovingian being a former "One"

I write about it here:

How deeply do you want to go?

The character is not "a" Merovingian, but rather "The" Merovingian, which would seem to make him equivalent to the founder of the French dynasty of medieval kings, Merovech (AKA Merowig, Merovich, etc.)

But beware of the Christianization of his story: the original pagan story says he has 2 fathers, a normal human one and a supernatural sea-monster who raped the pregnant mother while she was swimming. The derivation of the name comes from a Germanic root for the sea (German "Meer", cf. also Latin "mare"). Thus Merovech had supernatural powers because of this second bloodline from the sea-monster. (Compare also to Merlin, Mer-lin).

2 fathers, one mother! Are any bells ringing?
How deeply do you want to go?

I read about The Merovingian Kings in the book Bloodine of the Holy Grail. It made very interesting reading..

knnknn wrote:

Only if Jesus was a former One. But I don't see anything that Jesus did within his 3.5 years of riding a donkey that could justify a classification as the One. Could he fly away ("It happens exactly as before")?

Yeah...It's not like Jesus ever gave sight to the blind, resurrected the dead, was the actual human manifestation of God Himself, died and rose from the dead and ascended body and soul into heaven (not unlike flying), or walked on water.

No, Jesus never did any of that...



Ass.

Hyphen wrote:

knnknn wrote: Only if Jesus was a former One. But I don't see anything that Jesus did within his 3.5 years of riding a donkey that could justify a classification as the One. Could he fly away ("It happens exactly as before")? Yeah...It's not like Jesus ever gave sight to the blind, resurrected the dead, was the actual human manifestation of God Himself, died and rose from the dead and ascended body and soul into heaven (not unlike flying), or walked on water. No, Jesus never did any of that...I agree with you. It was that St Paul guy that told the Romans all that crap I mean there were many gospels left out of the bible because they spoke of Jesus as the son of man and not the son of GOD Ass.

Hyphen wrote:

Yeah...It's not like Jesus ever gave sight to the blind, resurrected the dead, was the actual human manifestation of God Himself

Yep, the same god that landed on the mountain in his loud seat.

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died

...true, true...

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and rose from the dead

He was talking thru another body to his old friends and a Jesus projection was seen. Thus he didn't came back with his original body. Lame.

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and ascended body and soul into heaven (not unlike flying)

Very unlike flying. Because it doesn't include landing.

Hyphen wrote:

or walked on water.

And what have these legends to do with Neo? Did Neo anything like this?
Basically these stories come from other "gods" and Buddha (who walked on the water, too, and a deciple tried it, too, but doubted and sank).

Hyphen wrote:

No, Jesus never did any of that...

You say it.

Hyphen wrote:

Ass.

matrix-explained.com...

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knnknn wrote:

Only if Jesus was a former One. But I don't see anything that Jesus did within his 3.5 years of riding a donkey that could justify a classification as the One. Could he fly away ("It happens exactly as before")?

He's not that kind of "One". Not a "One" by Matrix "standards". I believe he's the One by a different kind of standard.In that standard the meek and humble are greater than the stronger (thus no Neo-like powers and donkey-riding).

knnknn wrote:

He wasn't even a hacker (but was hacked).

Whoa. How didja know?

The idea of Jesus was stolen from the Egyptian God OSIRIS who was the God of ressurection
Read the story of OSIRIS, ISIS,SET and HORUS it has very interesting parallels...

Another Smith wrote:

The idea of Jesus was stolen from the Egyptian God OSIRIS who was the God of ressurection Read the story of OSIRIS, ISIS,SET and HORUS it has very interesting parallels...

Did the original Osiris see sentinels digging on her final flight?

emp wrote:

Another Smith wrote: The idea of Jesus was stolen from the Egyptian God OSIRIS who was the God of ressurection Read the story of OSIRIS, ISIS,SET and HORUS it has very interesting parallels... Did the original Osiris see sentinels digging on her final flight?

Hi friend; what I want to say is that OSIRIS was male
The mythology is well worth a once-over

Another Smith wrote:

emp wrote: Another Smith wrote: The idea of Jesus was stolen from the Egyptian God OSIRIS who was the God of ressurection Read the story of OSIRIS, ISIS,SET and HORUS it has very interesting parallels... Did the original Osiris see sentinels digging on her final flight? Hi friend; what I want to say is that OSIRIS was male The mythology is well worth a once-over

I bet he was a male dressed up as a lady.

I think you may be getting your posts mixed-up this is about OSIRIS NOT LARRY Just kiddin'

Not just in Egyptian mythology can you find parallels to the Jesus story: in Germanic mythology for example, Odin is hung on a tree and acquires a kind of salvation after this "crucifixion". The tree is the tree of life called Yggdrasil: such parallels allowed early Christian missionaries to explain the Christian stories.

Check out the writings of the great mythographer Joseph Campbell, who spent his life surveying the world's mythologies for these parallels. The main work is in 4 volumes called The Masks of God. (One of his most famous students is George Lucas.)

I am sure Campbell would say that the mythology of the Matrix fits right into the grand scheme of Jungian psychology.

And has anyone thought about the fact that jesus might have never existed. That is a possibility you know.

It is a documented fact that a male called Jesus existed, prophesised and was crucified for his beliefs. Whether or not he was the son of God is open to debate, but that is not the object of the forum is it?

So, to the object... Merovingian. Not to reiterate what others have already said, but it is directly relevant to my point. The Merovingian Kings in history were apparently associated with the holy bloodline of Jesus Christ, through Mary Magdalene and their daughter Sarah. If this train of thought is followed, it is clear that the Matrix movies are making reference to this 'theory' in some respect. Whether or not people believe the whole 'Jesus' thing - it is clear that the Wachowskis intended the film to reference Christianity. Perhaps the clearest example of this is just before Neo 'dies' at the end. The explosion of light from his chest begins in the form of a crucifix! At the end, the oracle states that she suspects that one day they will see Neo again (i.e. the Second Coming). But again, I've got away from the thread....

Anyhoo, If the Wachowskis intended Merovingian to reference the bloodline of Christ (The One), then it is possible that The Merovingian was a previous 'One'. However, I do not believe this to be the case, due to his inherent characteristics, which essentially make him, for want of a better word, 'evil'. So, what could be his role? Well, with reference to Vampires, Werewolves etc. abundant, is it possible for him to be, as others have expressed, the expression of everything evil about the matrix, and in turn, an expression of the antichrist? There are in existence theories that imply that the bloodline of the Merovingians is not the bloodline of Christ at all, but, surprisingly enough, The ANTIChrist. This appears to fit more readily with the context of the film. Now, I could discuss/debate this all day, but no doubt detractors will exist. I'm not saying that I necessarily believe any of this to be the case - it's just another theory to moot - me playing Devil's advocate (no pun intended). For a greater insight than I can provide in such a small space, see the following link:

emp wrote:

Another Smith wrote: emp wrote: Another Smith wrote: The idea of Jesus was stolen from the Egyptian God OSIRIS who was the God of ressurection Read the story of OSIRIS, ISIS,SET and HORUS it has very interesting parallels... Did the original Osiris see sentinels digging on her final flight? Hi friend; what I want to say is that OSIRIS was male The mythology is well worth a once-over I bet he was a male dressed up as a lady.

You are correct another smith, Osiris was definatly male, because Isis was his queen and Set was his brother.

knn wrote:

He was talking thru another body to his old friends and a Jesus projection was seen. Thus he didn't came back with his original body. Lame.

Wrong. Jesus appeared to the disciples in his original body as described in John 20.

John 20:20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Secondly, donkeys where the transportation nobility back then, so if that was intended as an insult it missed it's mark.

As for the Matrix being a direct allegory for any one religion, I don't believe it is. I think its supposed to draw from many different beliefs and show the similiarities in them all, as if we were the blind mice describing the elephant, on the right path but missing the whole picture.

Jesus and Neo are sort of the same, and i say this for these reasons. admitable they may be far out there but they do have some meaning.

Jesus is the son of god, Neo is the son of the arcitect.

Jesus sacrificed himself to save man. Neo sacrificed himself to save man.

Jesus could walk on water, and in M3 we see Neo walking on what seems to be a river of light. (ie walking on water).

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and ascended body and soul into heaven (not unlike flying)

Very unlike flying. Because it doesn't include landing.

Actually, landing involves landing, not flying. If you jump from a building, you also 'land', but you weren't flying beforehand.

I wonder what's his past (Merv) we that he is one of the oldest programs in the matrix

How could The Merv. be the former one if he is a Machine?