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i was wondering, did neo die at the end of the m3? i hear alot of peops sayin he made a self-sacrifice to kill smith, but it doesn't really say at the end if he did or not. the oracle said at the end when sati asked if theyd ever see him again that they probably would, so does that mean he's still alive?
another thing is that i read some threads and other websites and people are saying sati is the seventh one, if thats true then does that mean that neo is really just another program? tell me what you all think

Yes as far as we know, Neo did die at the end of Revolutions. It makes sense with the plot and is wishful thinking to think otherwise. I think what the Oracle meant was that the One will return. The peace between humans and machines wont last for very long as the Architect said, and the One will need to be brought back in the equation. But it wont be Neo but another One. Either that or the directors are leaving the issue open for possible new stories in the Matrix universe.

Sati is important somehow in the future. How? We dont know yet. We're waiting for the directors to bring that story to us in some fashion....comics, games etc. I highly doubt that she is the 7th One. Think about it. How can there be 2 the Ones simultaneously. The One code can only exist in one human at a time. Which brings us to the point that Sati isnt human. But that doesnt necessarily prevent her from having the One code. But I dont think that she is the 7th One.

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Sati is important somehow in the future. How? We dont know yet. We're waiting for the directors to bring that story to us in some fashion

I can't help but feel that the scene with Sati who seemingly adds colour to the sky at the end of M3, and the scene where Neo and Trinity fly above the scorched sky which we find isn't scorched once you get high enough in the earth's atmosphere are connected.

We all should have a hope and a belief in the possibiltiy of great things happening in future Matrix adventures and one of these things, I believe, include the repair or a sky.


Somewhere over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of....
No but really. That's what I think

Yes, our Neo dies. But The One will resurface again in this new incarnation of the Matrix (because now that the One has been removed from the program, the Matrix resets).

Sati's role in the movies is for two purposes only.

1. She proves (and is the result of the fact) that machines have developed emotions and feelings on par with human emotions. She is the instigator for Neo realising that he cannot destroy the machines since it is now, in every way, genocide. He must now strive for peace.

2. She rebuilds the sky of the matrix to present a glorious sunset to usher in the new peace. Her powers that grant her this ability are never truly revealed but don't really matter that much. Throughout the war, the matrix has always had a grey, dead sky. This new sun is a symbol for the new unity and peace between the two species and is a testament to Neo's sacrifice to accomplish it.

I agree that the One will return, but not due to more war. I think that the One is just a part of the Matrix itself, and is required to balance it out, though this is debatable, because the problem that the One solved seemed to apply directly to the humans escaping, so if they are free to go, then maybe a One is only required if things deteriorate once more. I'd really prefer to hear some other peoples ideas on that...

Thomas Anderson, the human body might have died. The bench Oracle is sitting on says "Dedicated to Thomas A Anderson" Although I am not sure if it says "Late Thomas A Anderson"

But Neo, the hacker, is the spirit of the One, which hosted Anderson's body in this matrix. Neo as the spirit survives and prevails. I think oracle is alluding to that Neo when she says "We might see him again" (when things go bad again as Epoch suggested)

No. Neo did NOT die. There is a solid proof for that. When Bane/Smith was killed, his orange glow disappeared. The implication is that dead dont emit orange glow. (and only those which/who are part of the machine network emit glow. I discussed this on "Neo's power in real world" thread). But at the end of Revolutions, u see a machine carrying away Neo's body. You can clearly see a golden glow emanating from Neo's body. Meaning that Neo is NOT dead and is ALIVE !

There aren't gonna be any sequels and Neo is dead. Give it up scientheist.

scientheist wrote:

No. Neo did NOT die. There is a solid proof for that. When Bane/Smith was killed, his orange glow disappeared. The implication is that dead dont emit orange glow. (and only those which/who are part of the machine network emit glow. I discussed this on "Neo's power in real world" thread). But at the end of Revolutions, u see a machine carrying away Neo's body. You can clearly see a golden glow emanating from Neo's body. Meaning that Neo is NOT dead and is ALIVE ! (thanks to apocryphe for the pic) I think that Neo will team up with Seraph and fight in future sequels.

Well, you're entitled to your oppinion and I can't prove you wrong. But I can disagree with you. Neo was dead in the same way Christ was dead after being crucified. At the end when you see him glowing, it is his code which is being reinserted to reboot the Matrix etc. etc. If Seraph is indeed a previous one, then of course you can't call him dead. But they are not exactly alive as they are just programs and not real humans. Seraph may be just the code of a previous one in another shell. That's just my oppinion. As far as sequals go, there are none. And if there would ever be, there would be no Neo - Seraph team fighting. That's rediculous.

Good job, Matt. My sentiments exactly.

It's all in that moment when the Oracle says ' I think we'll see him again', then looks up at the newly risen sun. Neo gave himself for two different kinds of love - agape or unconditional love - for humans and machines and for eros - romantic love between him and Trinity. I think the two of them are together as part of the code or spirit of the new sunrise. Or maybe I've just done too many drugs. I have loads of other theories but I'll be posting them on different threads.

well, all of us have different opinions and we believe what seems to be rational. Most of us believe that Neo is dead. Thats just an opinion like my opinion that Neo is alive. Where in the movie did you find Neo being dead ? The only scene which could suggest the possibility is when he (his body) was dragged off by a machine. That scene cannot be considered since it was contradicted by the very next scene where we see him emiting golden glow.

As for the future matrix movies, only time will tell whether there would be or would'nt be any. (We did have prequels to star wars series after ~20 years, did'nt we ?). So, its still anybody's guess. Believe whatever you want !

Maybe the fact that you all have different opinions on the movie is what the wachowskis wanted? maybe thats the whole point and your all caught up in a kind of matrix, but about the matrix! (like their own controlling machine) me personally i reckon the movies are a pretty good example of post modernism and what its done and whats coming after it! hehehe
right sorry bout that
i reckon neo is physically dead but spiritually alive, you could say maybe he reached enlightenment, where the body is only a tool. (and trinity didnt quite get there, all she saw was a glimpse of the real sky. but because it just so happens that his spirit is computerised maybe he lives on? spose by doing that the wachowskis could avoid answering a whole load of other questions!....like true post moderists....

"He who knows both knowledge and action, with action overcomes death and with knowledge reaches immortality.

Beyond the senses is the mind, and beyond the mind is reason, its essence. Beyond reason is the Spirit in man, and beyond this is the Spirit of the Universe, the evolver of all.

When the five senses and the mind are still, and reason itself rests in silence, then begins the Path supreme.

In him are woven the sky and the earth and all the regions of the air, and in him rest the mind and all the powers of life. Know him as the ONE and leave aside all other words. He is the bridge of immortality.

And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence, then the ties that have bound the heart are unloosened, the doubts of the mind vanish, and the law of Karma works no more.

From delusion lead me to truth
From darkness lead me to light
From death lead me to immortality."


Throughout the trilogy Neo walks on the Path from delusion to truth.
By the end of Revolutions he has reached the path supreme. In this state his code is disseminated in the source and becomes it's essence.
Neo's body is dead, but Neo's spirit has become the spirit of the (Matrix) universe.

Just my personal understanding, of course....

Neo is dead.

I like to think that his spirit lives on in the next levels with Seraph - but thats just my own opionion.


Sati has some powers but whether she is the next "one" we don't know - she will be speical in the matrix version 7 but the "one" could be anybody.

Sati is not the One. She is 100% program. Not at all human. Here powers are not really explained but we do know she represents love. We don;t even know if there would be another One. There is no purpose for the One now that there is peace.

I agree that Sati is not the next One. But not because she is a program. Who is to say that the One cannot be a pure program.

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I agree that Sati is not the next One. But not because she is a program. Who is to say that the One cannot be a pure program.

because the programs (at least exiles) seem to know that the matrix is a matrix. and it´s a matrix that controls humans, so programs can live in the matrix exactly as in the real world with a machine-body. for them it should be the same. the point to choose the "real world" instead of the matrix is the hope that there isn´t a control. (actually in zion (even if it is a real world) there is the same control: the chosen ones always visit the oracle and do what it suggests, and the others sooner or later will be killed by the machines before they really can cause troubble..)
so as a machine knowing it is just a matrix, but as well as the real world (because as i machine i´m not getting controlled anyway) there isn´t a reason to start doubting about reality (as the chosen ones do).
i would say beeing a "chosen one" human is similar to being an "exile" program: it´s the not-want-to-follow-a-purpose-given-from-outside. the agents are hunting exiles and chosen-ones! and the question is: do the machines realize that the matrix could be also about control of machines? so exiles could get machine-chosen-ones if they realize that. i didn´t realize that fact when i started this post.. it seems you are right, akshat!

That was interesting.

"more posts than smiths"



i love that comments about the number of postings.
to the forum-designer

I think Neo will exist in the matrix like a program. He will exist without his body. He will not return to Zion because I dont think there is any need for him to do so. (btw, regarding the pic which I posted earlier, my interpretation is that his spirit will exist, but there will be no need for his body (ie) his body will die).

Like most have said: Neo is dead. but i believe that Neo will be seen again. maybe not in the form that he was in before (that of Thomas Anderson) but he will return. Possible as a porgam with in the matrix maybe?

To your other question: I also believe that Sati is the next destined Chosen One, but for a different reason. Because she as connections with both the machines and the humans. also at the end of M3 we see Sati change the sunrise, is this a clue ?.

Sati can't be the One, she's a GIRL! ew!

uh...anyway....

Sati is a program that was reloaded to serve a purpose. It's like reloading your PC. all the dead and non-working programs (if you have Windows ME, you know what i'm talking about) get refreshed and reloaded and useful.

Sati seemed to control the Sun. that's now her new job or "purpose".

Thats correct.

not sure if sum1 has already said this but i dont think neo could survive now trinity is dead...



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