»Neo needed smith? neo MEANT to fall in love?«

Hey there! hows everyone im new here! hehe well i thought id just say what i thought! i thought that when neo jumped into smith that was the moment everything changed for the path of the one (meaning neo would now have to take a different route). the oracle says that smith is his negative, so maybe neo cant actually reload the matrix without smith?
(-1 + +1 = 0)
and maybe the oracle and the architecht both knew this so trinity was placed there to act as the persuasion neo needed to not enter into the source because they knew it wouldnt work! (meaning they had ULTIMATE CONTROL!) this also means that love is still a controlling force.

its only after smith takes over the oracle that neo can see the machines without eyes. maybe because smith took over agents and the like in the second movie the power reflected onto neo and thats how he grew in power along with smith and could destroy the sentinels (neo gains forsight accordingly everytime smith takes someone over.)
the oracle also knew that smith was coming to take her over so maybe she IS the source code and when all three combine it makes it all reset!
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also....has anyone read about the kabbalah or anyone read a book called "the hiram key?" this explains about jesus christ (in ancient jewish culture) being only one "pillar" out of two needed for balance (john the baptist being the other) and he was the first person to try and become both pillars but he failed. if this is placed in the context of the matrix, there are two needed for balance, to create "shalom" to me, i think that religiously the movie goes much deeper into the truth than we want to admit/we know!

what ya think?

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Your post is laden with "Maybe"s and "What if"s.

Unnecesarry speculation over a moot subject.

Next.

That sort of eliteist attitude give Message Boards an bad name...

Stop being such a snob...you were like that once...give the guy a few pointers instead of being a critical prick.

satanicpotato wrote:

and maybe the oracle and the architecht both knew this so trinity was placed there to act as the persuasion neo needed to not enter into the source because they knew it wouldnt work! (meaning they had ULTIMATE CONTROL!) this also means that love is still a controlling force.

This would imply that they would be able to program not only human love, but even love for a special person. This seems highly unlikely to me.

I think, human love, just like human choice, are a phenomenon, that the Oracle has analyzed. She knows about the potential of both, but machines cannot create it.

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its only after smith takes over the oracle that neo can see the machines without eyes

It's after Neo is beeing blinded by Bane, that he can see the machine life force.
Would he have been blind in the end of Reloaded, I guess he would have seen the sentinels in yellow, as well. But at that moment his "Neovision" was "blocked" by the sight of his eyes.
Only after beeing taken the sight of his eyes, did he become aware of his sight (feeling) of the machine life force.

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maybe because smith took over agents and the like in the second movie the power reflected onto neo and thats how he grew in power along with smith and could destroy the sentinels (neo gains forsight accordingly everytime smith takes someone over.)

It is my understanding, that Neo gained his powers solely by gaining knowledge and understanding.
It was his path from delusion to truth, as described in the Neodämmerung lyrics; and the further he stepped on this path, the more he understood about the Martrix universe, the more powerful he became (with powerful I do not only mean his fighting-skills!)

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the oracle also knew that smith was coming to take her over so maybe she IS the source code and when all three combine it makes it all reset! .

The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix. Her knowledge of this world makes her able to predict things to a certain extent. She knew that Smith would eventually take over every human and program in the Matrix; so he would come for her as well.
When Smith was deleted, she, just like the other programs and humans, was freed from Smith and survived.

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i think that religiously the movie goes much deeper into the truth than we want to admit/we know!

It certainly goes deep regarding religion, philosophy, science, psycology....

mofo5131 wrote:

That sort of eliteist attitude give Message Boards an bad name... Stop being such a snob...you were like that once...give the guy a few pointers instead of being a critical prick.

Don't worry Mofo - I've noted this also - He's a bit of a one way street.

satanicpotato wrote:

when neo jumped into smith that was the moment everything changed for the path of the one (meaning neo would now have to take a different route).

actually he jumped only into smith because trinity allready loved him. so it could also be that the machines let smith mutate into a cancer because they were faced with that onlogical thing called love.

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maybe because smith took over agents and the like in the second movie the power reflected onto neo and thats how he grew in power along with smith and could destroy the sentinels

good point

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(neo gains forsight accordingly everytime smith takes someone over.)

really? what about his foresight-dream at the beginning of reloaded? who was taken over by smith before? and when he is at mobilAve and trys to get back to the matrix and sees the 3 pipelines of the machine-city? what other foresights does neo have? can´t remember..

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the oracle also knew that smith was coming to take her over so maybe she IS the source code and when all three combine it makes it all reset!

nice idea! but it would not really fit with the oracle being the mother of the matrix (which i do not believe anyway, so really nice idea)

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i think that religiously the movie goes much deeper into the truth than we want to admit/we know!

of course i think non of us has read ALL the books the wachowskys used/might have used.. so discussing here is also a learning-process,
but "though the process has altered our consciousness, we remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of the answers given by the movies we will understand, and some of them we will not." but the process hasn´t ended yet...

hey guys! thanks for your inputs on that. got me thinking alot more!

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This would imply that they would be able to program not only human love, but even love for a special person. This seems highly unlikely to me.

but didnt they program a love of some sort with sati? maybe that high lights the fact that its possible for their AI to use love in some sort.

maybe the oracle is the source code and thats why shes called the mother of the matrix? cos mothers leave their genetic imprint onto their young so shes imprinting her code onto everyone?

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what about his foresight-dream at the beginning of reloaded? who was taken over by smith before? and when he is at mobilAve and trys to get back to the matrix and sees the 3 pipelines of the machine-city?

didnt neo also have a vision of trinity dying? but then he says that he didnt see her die to the oracle. so the flashbacks dont always tell the truth. also the oracle says that because hes the one, he will start to see a world without space and time. maybe cos hes in a computer he can calculate what the future will be if he starts taking all the knowledge he has learnt, into consideration? so the realisations he has and the knowledge gained allow him to build a picture of the future through advanced calculations!

the oracle says that smith is his negative so in computer language that usually means it needs to be balanced. i thought this idea accounts for why everything happens....so work on that theory and work back through the movie!

thanks guys

satanicpotato wrote:

and maybe the oracle and the architecht both knew this so trinity was placed there to act as the persuasion neo needed to not enter into the source because they knew it wouldnt work! (meaning they had ULTIMATE CONTROL!) this also means that love is still a controlling force.

Yes, all of Neo's choices were based around his love for Trinity. Only after she died, Neo was able to sacrifice himself.

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its only after smith takes over the oracle that neo can see the machines without eyes.

when a person loses a sense, other senses become more powerfull. Neo probably always had this power but had never needed to rely on it before so he was unaware of it.