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I have narrowed my confusion down to six questions after reading your theories and thoughts (which I loved BTW). Thank you very much for taking the time to create this site for people like me: I am fascinated by the movies (I own the first one and saw Revolutions FOUR times trying to comprehend it) but cannot seem to wrap my mind all the way around them!

1)Are we to assume BOTH Tank and Dozer died in the first one, because I only remember Dozer's death being confirmed. Link mentions Tank as if he is deceased in Revolutions.

2) Do you think there is any significance in Morpheus' last words "I have dreamed a dream; and now that dream is gone for me." in the end of Revolutions? As in the 'dream' of Zion is gone? (Also did he seem a bit less convicted/powerful in Rev. to you?)

3) you are absolutely right in not assuming that Zion is destroyed completely. I agree that there was no concrete evidence given in Rev.

4) The Architect said that this was the sixth Zion they've destroyed. Then why the hell would they allow all those millions of people to be expelled from their pods and live in the center of the earth.. why wouldn't he simply unplug them and kill them in 'utero' so they wouldn't even encounter the chance of one of them being 'the one'? Why wouldn't the machines who seem so deftly equipped for destruction find some way to stop the building of Zion and not allow it to happen six times? He also said something about 'the one' being a systemic anomaly. Why wouldn't they improve/upgrade the Matrix so it didn't happen?

5) If Smith is no longer an agent, how does he always know when Neo & co are in the Matrix? If he is unplugged then why does he seem to have all of his old agent powers?

6) The oracle talks about when a program is being replaced, it usually chooses exile over deletion. Does that imply that she chose exile, was sent to the Matrix and that's why she's there? If so, does that mean there's a better version of her out there? But if she did choose exile then why would she have any loyalty to the system and be so vague about whether she was helping Neo or not?

FYI: I found matrix-explained.com by reading the postings on matrixtheories.com Someone said they thought theory 3 was brilliant so I came over here and read the entire thing. Thank you for your time, I'm sure it took an hour to read this damn thing!

1) Dozer probably didn't get a contract renewal to continue on with the production. Link was a convenient plot device to cover that up.

2) In any telling of a Messianic story, there will come a point where the faithful will have their core beliefs challenged. This is a very demoralizing time for him, because the Oracle has misled him all along. But, like John the Baptist, he may have to sacrifice his life for his belief. We'll see.

3) Zion's destruction could have been total as a way to prepare for seventh reboot. The Matrix will not be overcome from the outside, but from within.

4) Allowing Zion to continue was the Architect's way of finding which offspring would become the One. Neo's programming/genetic code could not have been expressed without a functioning Zion.

5) The re-born Agent Smith is connected to Neo because of the inclusion of Neo's code into his renaissance. He is one iterition of what a man/machine hybrid could look like.

6) There will be an argument that because a program is sentient, it deserves to live despite having outlived it's original usefulness. The Oracle's job is to deal with dissenters. She's very persuasive, but it's interesting that she fooled Morpheus into thinking that she was flesh and blood. It's a matter of trying to thwart evolution. Allow it to happen in a controlled fashion, and then cull it from the herd.

1. Yes Tank is dead. Link's girl Zee is dozer's sister and therefore Tank's sister. She says "I have lost two brothers to that ship".
2. He means he dreamed thst the war would be over and all that, but now that Neo found out it was crong he doesn't believe any more.
3. Yes. You are correct. I presented proof in the "Your theories totally ruin the Matrix" thread.
4. The purpose of The One is another system of control, as Neo fins out. They want the One to keep going to perfect the Matrix. THe allow Zion to continue to accomodate the One.
5. Smith states himself, "I am no longer an agent of this system". THis means he isn't bound by the rules of the Matrix and his agent powers are able to grow. The post before this says it perfectly.
6. As far as I know, she didn't choose exile, she didn't even become useless. It is just more control. But if she did, it means she's working for her own purpose because she is lying and mis-leading the Zion guys.[/b]

1) I belive that Tank died because of the wound delivered to him by Cipher. The death may have been caused by grief for his brother, the emp gun, or the former combined.

2) Morpheus may had been refering to the Prophecy, his beliefs, and the fact that all he's been fighting for is for naught... so it seems...

5) He probably knows when the Rebels are in the Matrix through survilence of communications. He has his agent abilities because it was in his programming.

Re: 2)
I read somewhere that these are words of the biblical Nebuchadnezzar.

Re: 5)
Smith not even knows, he knows earlier than the system. The system's agents show up always later.
Here is what Hugo Weaving (the actor for Smith) says in an interview:

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I mean, Smith has been upgraded. He should return to the mainframe. He should be superceded, but as the oracle says, there are a number of programs that don't want to go. So, they hide out in the matrix and there's a compulsion that he has. If Neo is there, he must necessarily be there. I think every force has its oppositional force and that's exactly what Smith is to Neo. Neo can't be without Smith and Smith can't be without Neo.
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2)"I have dreamed a dream, and now that dream is gone from me."
Morpheus is a dramatic individual(right, Ballard?), and prone to theatrics.
He has named himself after the god of dreams, the sandman.
He is a ship captain, and this is a typical reaction to losing your Millenium Falcon. It is a very sad occasion. I think he is just reacting to the loss of his boat.

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and this is a typical reaction to losing your Millenium Falcon

What? The Neb. was just another ship. The falcon is the fastest ship in the galaxy. Lets not get our facts twisted...

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I think he is just reacting to the loss of his boat.

That, combined with Neo telling him 5 minutes earlier that the prophecy was a lie...

He doesn't believe Neo. He knows better. He Believes.

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He doesn't believe Neo. He knows better. He Believes.

Yeah, but he is also the one who gives Neo the lame "humans as batteries" reason for the creation of the matrix. He believes in something so stupid that I am amazed that Neo believes him in the first place.

He would not have believed that until he saw the fetus harvest for himself.

Morpheus is a strange guy. What exactly does he believe anyway? As it's written on

hole_girl wrote:

3) you are absolutely right in not assuming that Zion is destroyed completely. I agree that there was no concrete evidence given in Rev.

The telling point is this -- if Zion has been destroyed, why were the machines "still digging" after the battle?

they continue to dig because their records indicate that somewhere near zion is the reamins of the old Raisin Bran Factory, where they will find an ancient stockpile of petrified raisins. Which, when combined with a unique form of fusion, will create enough power for the machines to escape to Mars, where they will finally have enough light to power their massive James Brown Sex Machine program.

The answer is found in gravity. The machines are too heavy.
The machines are digging because they cannot stop. It is their purpose.
They are digging because they are late for the rave.

I'm out.

Raisins dance party in Zion "It's raining machines"?
Oh no, they are digging, because near the center of the earth there is a long-lost cow farm to fuse with:
Ergo digging, vis-a-vis cows....

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Unfortunately nobody can tell what cows are, you have to see them for yourself

hole_girl wrote:

1)Are we to assume BOTH Tank and Dozer died in the first one, because I only remember Dozer's death being confirmed.

Trivia:
Marcus Chong (played Tank) sued Warner Brothers because he didn't play tank in 2 and 3, although they made a contract.

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The lawsuit, filed on Friday (16.May.2003) in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses Warner Bros. and parent company AOL Time Warner and the film's producers of breaching their 1998 oral agreement and a 2000 contract to revive his character, Tank, in the two sequels, and of slandering him.
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